I don't see why O'Rourke automatically goes past Hallahan either?Get into pre season and whoever puts their hand up and shows the hunger to break into a premiership side gets first crack.
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I don't see why O'Rourke automatically goes past Hallahan either?Get into pre season and whoever puts their hand up and shows the hunger to break into a premiership side gets first crack.
Absolutely. Besides, they are completely different midfielders. Hallahan is purely an inside player and O'Rourke mostly outside.
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Any chance we can ship Grimley and Cheney and keep both of these two young mids?
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While I like the look of woodward, his knees concern me.
Hallahan, I really liked his work when he was in the side this year, I think he has a lot to offer.
Hallahan, I really liked his work when he was in the side this year, I think he has a lot to offer.
Yeah I don't see the point of keeping either of them above these two players. In a perfect world we could keep them all...
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I Agree..From what I've seen this year by the two, I'd myself would have Woodward just in frond of Hallahan especially by the way he was playing towards the end of the year, coming back after two ACL knee injuries and wining the JJ Liston Trophy medal, it wasn’t until the end of the year that he made his run as a ferocious-tackling, nose-of-the-ball midfielder polled votes in nine of his 13 matches to finish on 20 and win by three... He clinched the JJ LT medal with a best-afield performance in the final round..With a big preseason under his belt, he and a few others would be fighting for a senior selection..I cant wait for 2015..Go Hawks!
Alex Woodward, playing for Hawthorn, gets mobbed by a pack of Lions in the NAB Challenge earlier this year.
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Hallahan is significantly ahead of Woody based upon their AFL performances.
Hallahan has shown his game translates effectively into the next level up in terms of ball winning. He reads the ball very well and has a very good knack of getting to the right spot at the right time - time and time again. His kicking is pretty good and penetrating. His handballing is what needs improving particularly in terms of getting his hands out away from his body when in close and this was evident when he played at AFL level - a few times he was not effective at being able to release a handball when tackled. He keeps his feet regularly. He is a strong body and a good tackler and effective at fighting to win the contested ball in close. He has shown he can play across half-forward and kicks goals. Really he is a Jordan Lewis clone. And like Jordan the challenge is to get fit enough to be able to two way run at the top level. The only way Mitch will be able to do this is by playing at AFL level for 2-3 seasons. Given his ball winning and goal kicking ability his strengths outweigh his negatives at this stage and I can only see his negatives diminishing.
Woody carves them up at VFL level because his effort is at a level above most of the other VFL players. His intensity, desperation, courage and will to run is incredible. He is a bit like Crawford in this respect. Woody does a lot of his good work at VFL level on his hands and knees. He is on his hands and knees hunting the ball a LOT. This is something he needs to get out of his game as when the ball is there to be taken at AFL level it is gone very very quickly and if you dont have it you are chasing ass very quickly. And when you are on the deck you are no good to anyone - pretty hard to receive, spread or chase. Disposal wise I am yet to make my mind up about whether he lacks polish at times or is still a bit rusty having missed a fair whack of football. Woody's performances at AFL level - whilst only limited - were a touch down on what I was expecting. His game didnt quite translate as anticipated. I thought he would find it easier as he didnt have to try and do everything himself (such is his attitude) and would get a bit more easy ball with better players around him but he didnt appear to adjust his mindset and his advantage in the VFL of superior effort was taken away by being at a higher level. Hallahan definately fitted in more seamlessly because of his ability to run to the right spot - he is perhaps the smarter player of the two.
They are both very good propositions - I would be disappointed to lose Mitch and I wouldnt be trading him out. They are quite different players as Mitch is a ball reader and can be both first dibs or run to receive and deliver (not carry). Whereas Woody is a see ball, get ball wrecking ball who can hit a contest at pace like a Crawf and carry the thing away.
Hallahan has shown his game translates effectively into the next level up in terms of ball winning. He reads the ball very well and has a very good knack of getting to the right spot at the right time - time and time again. His kicking is pretty good and penetrating. His handballing is what needs improving particularly in terms of getting his hands out away from his body when in close and this was evident when he played at AFL level - a few times he was not effective at being able to release a handball when tackled. He keeps his feet regularly. He is a strong body and a good tackler and effective at fighting to win the contested ball in close. He has shown he can play across half-forward and kicks goals. Really he is a Jordan Lewis clone. And like Jordan the challenge is to get fit enough to be able to two way run at the top level. The only way Mitch will be able to do this is by playing at AFL level for 2-3 seasons. Given his ball winning and goal kicking ability his strengths outweigh his negatives at this stage and I can only see his negatives diminishing.
Woody carves them up at VFL level because his effort is at a level above most of the other VFL players. His intensity, desperation, courage and will to run is incredible. He is a bit like Crawford in this respect. Woody does a lot of his good work at VFL level on his hands and knees. He is on his hands and knees hunting the ball a LOT. This is something he needs to get out of his game as when the ball is there to be taken at AFL level it is gone very very quickly and if you dont have it you are chasing ass very quickly. And when you are on the deck you are no good to anyone - pretty hard to receive, spread or chase. Disposal wise I am yet to make my mind up about whether he lacks polish at times or is still a bit rusty having missed a fair whack of football. Woody's performances at AFL level - whilst only limited - were a touch down on what I was expecting. His game didnt quite translate as anticipated. I thought he would find it easier as he didnt have to try and do everything himself (such is his attitude) and would get a bit more easy ball with better players around him but he didnt appear to adjust his mindset and his advantage in the VFL of superior effort was taken away by being at a higher level. Hallahan definately fitted in more seamlessly because of his ability to run to the right spot - he is perhaps the smarter player of the two.
They are both very good propositions - I would be disappointed to lose Mitch and I wouldnt be trading him out. They are quite different players as Mitch is a ball reader and can be both first dibs or run to receive and deliver (not carry). Whereas Woody is a see ball, get ball wrecking ball who can hit a contest at pace like a Crawf and carry the thing away.
I'm not too sure who will be the better player in the next couple of years but for me Woodward seems like the 'harder' to replace.
Here's a link for his highlights from 2014:
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2014-10-15/season-review-alex-woodward
Here's a link for his highlights from 2014:
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2014-10-15/season-review-alex-woodward
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I wondered about that, he seemed keener on Litherland too, Lowden got his debut and also he dropped Langford.
Might all mean nothing but it was interesting nonetheless.
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Hallahan gone for two high 40s picks, 47 and 49 I think.
Not a great deal for mine.
Not a great deal for mine.
Woody,
Because Mitch plays for Gold Coast.
Because Mitch plays for Gold Coast.
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I agree. I think we gave him away for unders.
It's an embarrassment of riches for Hawthorn really. Not much we can do about it unfortunately.
Mitch would most likely be a walk up start in most other sides, however due to Hawthorn's midfield he just doesn't get an opportunity. It's not Hawthorn's fault, and it's not Mitch's fault either. It's just the way it is.
Now to trade him away for "unders" - we don't have much of a choice here either. Mitch is a good player, but has only played a handful at the top level. Gold Coast's argument would be that he can't be worth anything higher than that - if he was worth more, then he'd be getting a regular game for us and would therefore not be looking elsewhere for more opportunities. If we leave it another year, and he plays another 5-10 games in 2015, then we could potentially lose him for nothing via Free Agency in 2015 should he still be wanting more opportunity.
It's a difficult situation but I really hope Mitch has a successful career at the Gold Coast. He's done the hard yards and deserves an extended run at the top level.
Mitch would most likely be a walk up start in most other sides, however due to Hawthorn's midfield he just doesn't get an opportunity. It's not Hawthorn's fault, and it's not Mitch's fault either. It's just the way it is.
Now to trade him away for "unders" - we don't have much of a choice here either. Mitch is a good player, but has only played a handful at the top level. Gold Coast's argument would be that he can't be worth anything higher than that - if he was worth more, then he'd be getting a regular game for us and would therefore not be looking elsewhere for more opportunities. If we leave it another year, and he plays another 5-10 games in 2015, then we could potentially lose him for nothing via Free Agency in 2015 should he still be wanting more opportunity.
It's a difficult situation but I really hope Mitch has a successful career at the Gold Coast. He's done the hard yards and deserves an extended run at the top level.
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Would have liked an earlier pick, but two picks isa solid return.
Shame to lose him, but looking forward to Woody getting another preseason under his belt and firing big time.
Shame to lose him, but looking forward to Woody getting another preseason under his belt and firing big time.
It was probably the safe choice to trade him for picks, we could have lost him in free agency. And it's not like there's a dearth of inside midfielders we won't be able to draft or sign in the next few years while we eagerly wait for our best midfielders to retire so we can finally decline (?). And Woodward isn't far off him, if he isn't quite as AFL ready. I do really rate Hallahan though.
I think Roger Rogerson sums it up very well. I wasn't too sure about Hallahan after his 6 AFL games because although he knew how to get to the right spot and extract the ball I thought he struggled with the pace. After seeing him in the VFL grand final he did remind me a bit of Lewis in that he seems to lurk around the arena by stealth and puts himself in the right spot. Having said that I thought Woodward was also a clear standout and certainly doesn't lack the pace. Another issue for Hallahan has been the emergence of Langford. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how things pan out over the future but best of luck to him. Pretty clear the club didn't want to let him go (cheaply at least) because the final agreed trade was known for some time and I don't think the club wanted to begrudge him a 3 year deal which I am sure will pay him well. Good on them for that.
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So we'll use picks 43, 47 and 49 in the draft then...
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Good player, will get more opportunity at GC. No real loss for mine and happy to see the kid get an opportunity.
Let's not build him up to more than he is. There are plenty of players around who are just as good.
Yet we keep Whitecross who has played barely any football. Disappointing...
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