Portfolio Halving the AFL take 2

[caloschwaby]

Mans got one
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Now it see what you mean Fizzler about the Collingwood-Richmond merger look-alike

 

[Fizzler]

Miss that place From memory it was from Greensy Savers. That's my new hotspot

I didn’t know that one was still open, I’ll definitely have to give it a look next time I’m around the Plaza.

 

[MooreTreloar]

I didn’t know that one was still open, I’ll definitely have to give it a look next time I’m around the Plaza.

Footscray still has one, I’m sure I went passed it last week.

 

[Silent Alarm]

In the Northern States competition the equation was pretty simple. Two clubs become one, state representative side. This did mean the two AFL expansion sides of the past, now seen as expensive and wasteful luxuries, were swallowed up by there more established neighbors. In the case of the Queensland sides, it lead to a unique opportunity to re brand as a uniquely Queensland entity. While the Fitzroy colours were dropped, the old Lions were not necessarily forgotten, with a fan favourite side paneling of chevrons introduced. Little was kept of the Gold Coast Suns, however.

This clash is... amazing. Great colour balance, they pop, it's a bit of a difference to the home and the chevrons aren't just a 'eh, we need something else' but a bonafide throwback. Nice.

 

[Chris who]

Great work!
On a note of plausibility, wouldn't "rich" clubs like Collingwood, Richmond and Hawks, etc be mostly unaffected by a financial downturn? Genuine question.

I like how you go to moderately well off Victorian clubs in a 9 team town as teams that can stand on their own two feet. Realistically Adelaide and WA clubs would stay afloat and melb, Sydney and qld clubs would merge.

 

[Fizzler]

I like how you go to moderately well off Victorian clubs in a 9 team town as teams that can stand on their own two feet. Realistically Adelaide and WA clubs would stay afloat and melb, Sydney and qld clubs would merge.

I reckon if something like this did have to happen Sydney and GWS would merge no question, Brisbane would be reluctant to merge with GC because they're already merged, Saints, North and the Doggies are ****ed, you can probably add Carlton to that list as well and would merge among each other. Port would be strong thanks to the China thing and the Crows sort of run the show in SA off field in a lot of areas. WC is really rich and I'm sure the WAFC could bail out Freo. Essendon and Geelong are borderline, really depending on the severity of the downturn, with Melbourne being slightly stronger than those two. Collingwood, Hawthorn and Richmond would probably be fine.
Of course, this thread is a design exercise so it achieves what it needs to (and quite well might I add, well done _Damo_) but obviously it's all hypotheticals.

 

[caloschwaby]

I like how you go to moderately well off Victorian clubs in a 9 team town as teams that can stand on their own two feet. Realistically Adelaide and WA clubs would stay afloat and melb, Sydney and qld clubs would merge.

Because they're three examples of well off clubs...
Of course Melbourne clubs would be most likely to merge considering there's 10 of them.

 

[Chris who]

If you are top ten on this ladder, you are in trouble in this hypothetical

 

[caloschwaby]

If you are top ten on this ladder, you are in trouble in this hypothetical

Very true. I'm surprised Richmond gets such a large distribution despite being a historically big club prior to the grand final.
Kudos to the Weagles for being the greatest expansion team ever and being able to stand on their own two feet

 

[Spanna_]

Very true. I'm surprised Richmond gets such a large distribution despite being a historically big club prior to the grand final.
Kudos to the Weagles for being the greatest expansion ever and being able to stand on their own two feet

Aren't we just great? Even after having to pay a million dollar license fee just to keep your competition afloat.

 

[jmac91]

Aren't we just great? Even after having to pay a million dollar license fee just to keep your competition afloat.

Also that we didn't have an permanent training ground because the WAFL clubs didn't want to share a training ground with us.

 

[fancyscum]

Very true. I'm surprised Richmond gets such a large distribution despite being a historically big club prior to the grand final.
Kudos to the Weagles for being the greatest expansion ever and being able to stand on their own two feet

I'm even more surprised that Port gets $0 and therefore is the biggest club in the AFL!

 

[caloschwaby]

I'm even more surprised that Port gets $0 and therefore is the biggest club in the AFL!

Well Port isn't exactly an expansion club in the same regard as West Coast. Rather that they just transferred their seniors in to the AFL if I'm not mistaken so they probably had enough financial backing. Still very impressive they get nothing.

That being said I don't even know why the AFL bails teams out rather than letting the market decide which teams should exist

 

[caloschwaby]

Aren't we just great? Even after having to pay a million dollar license fee just to keep your competition afloat.

MY competition? I'd take it off Gillon's hands if I could...

 

[fancyscum]

Still very impressive they get nothing.

I very much doubt that Port get nothing from the AFL (although I'm sure that they'd like you to think that). If everyone else was getting $10+ million dollars and they weren't, you'd hear about it!

 

[Spanna_]

Aren't we just great? Even after having to pay a million dollar license fee just to keep your competition afloat.

Actually my mistake, it was 10 million caloschwaby

MY competition? I'd take it off Gillon's hands if I could...

I think you know what I was implying hahah.

 

[Fizzler]

If you are top ten on this ladder, you are in trouble in this hypothetical

RussellEbertHandball any idea where Port would sit on this ladder?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

RussellEbertHandball any idea where Port would sit on this ladder?

Table below in purple is from the 2017 AFL annual report page 82.

I don't know why clubs report their AFL figures distributions (see The Wookies list) differently to how the AFL report them but there are many reasons including a)cash received vs accruals accounting b) some clubs show the distributions the AFL pay them for AFL Members with Club Support as membership revenue, c) some clubs show distributions for travel subsidies as negative expenses not revenue from the AFL d) some clubs show other distributions as capital amount contribution and not revenue received in the P&L for facilities and on it goes.



Now this has to be interpreted somewhat because something is missing. Since 1999 I think or 1 year either side, the AFL base distribution goes up by how much the salary cap goes up by.

When the 2007-2011 TV deal was signed, and the TV cash component went from $405m to $690m the AFL said each of the 16 clubs would get $1.2m/year over 5 years and it was called a TV bonus. (Gold Coast got this in 2011). Telstra cash went from $20m to $60m. Then when the 2012-16 TV deal was signed and the TV cash component went from $690m to $965m and Telstra cash component went from $60m to $153m, the clubs got their base distribution + the $1.2m TV bonus for 5 years and then the AFL introduced what they called an equal and dis-equal distribution, every club got $500k in 2012, $575k in 2013, $650k in 2014, $725k in 2015 and $800k in 2016.

The dis-equal component distributions was for many reasons, including funding to help build new facilities, not just general distributions so the club can survive like happens with big amounts to the new clubs.

In 2017 the salary cap went from $10,368.980 in 2016 to $12,445,028 in 2017, so the base distribution went up by $2,076,048. You can get these salary cap figures from page 63 the AFL Player Earnings page.

So as the table below says the 2016 base distribution from page 145 of the 2016 AFL annual report. was $8,188,488 then the 2017 base distribution was $10,264,536. I'm not sure why the minimum distribution in 2017 was $10.611m to Collingwood, Hawthorn and West Coast

Given the TV cash component went from $965m over 5 years to $2,008m over 6 years and the Telstra cash went from $153m to $300m, I can't see why the $1.2m/year TV bonus wasn't paid and the $800k equal component all clubs got in 2016 wasn't paid in 2017. But it looks like it wasn't included in the left hand side table distributions above for 2017, and the table on the right hand side specifies what those distributions are for and it doesn't look like the TV bonus is in there. So I find this very strange.

An important thing to remember is that the AFL pay each club a distribution per AFL Member who ticks a box saying which club they support ie AFL Memeber Club Support. Not everyone tickets a box but about 85% of members do. There is a set amount per adult member, concession member and junior member the AFL distribute to the clubs. In 2013 and 2014 I know each adult member with club support the AFL paid $138 to the club. Eddie cracked the shits and had a go at it in 2013 and the AFL decided in its 2014 AFL Record Season Guide book not to tell us how much they paid, ie the minimum 11 game Victorian membership fee for each category plus other minimum membership fee for 16/1/18 games for vic based members. I have every AFL Record Season Guide since the first one in 1996 and since 2014 the AFL have stopped putting this info in their annual book. A Port official confirmed to me the 2014 amounts were the same as 2013 but I haven't asked post 2014.

They also have stopped issuing the break down of AFL Members in the 3 categories for each club in their annual reports. They went to a total figure and then no figure!! Why?? Hiding info?? The last annual report they gave the break down was 2014. So in 2014 Collingwood, who have the biggest AFL Members, had the following AFL Members counted in their total and the AFL paid them

Collingwood 9261 adults x $138, 1259 concession x $82.50, 1623 juniors x $18 = 12,143 members = $1,411,099.50.

So 2014 was the last year the AFL gives a break down of AFL Memberships by club, 2015 they just give a generic -
AFL MEMBERSHIP
AFL Membership posted strong results again in 2015, with a total of 55,301
members. This represented a slight decrease of 2.26 per cent on 2014. AFL
Membership again had lower than industry churn rates of 3.71 per cent for Full members
and 9.3 per cent for Silver members. AFL Membership is made up of 31,017 Full
members, 20,469 Silver members and 3270 Absentee members. With 49,239
members electing a club of support, AFL Membership accounts for 7.06 per cent
of total club access members.

And 2016 and 2017 annual reports they give us no info at all about AFL Membership numbers. Why? They are a bunch of campaigners who want to hide stuff.

But at a guess about $1.5m of Collingwood's $3.4m in the table above on the right hand side comes from AFL Memberships with Club Support.

Bottom line, the AFL give minimal info about what all these distributions really represent!!!

In the table below for 2016 every club has an $800k equal distribution in the Other column, basically representing the increase in TV monies from the 2012-16 TV deal over the 2007-11 deal.

 

[Fizzler]

Table below in purple is from the 2017 AFL annual report page 82.

I don't know why clubs report their AFL figures distributions (see The Wookies list) differently to how the AFL report them but there are many reasons including a)cash received vs accruals accounting b) some clubs show the distributions the AFL pay them for AFL Members with Club Support as membership revenue, c) some clubs show distributions for travel subsidies as negative expenses not revenue from the AFL d) some clubs show other distributions as capital amount contribution and not revenue received in the P&L for facilities and on it goes.

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Now this has to be interpreted somewhat because something is missing. Since 1999 I think or 1 year either side, the AFL base distribution goes up by how much the salary cap goes up by.

When the 2007-2011 TV deal was signed, and the TV cash component went from $405m to $690m the AFL said each of the 16 clubs would get $1.2m/year over 5 years and it was called a TV bonus. (Gold Coast got this in 2011). Telstra cash went from $20m to $60m. Then when the 2012-16 TV deal was signed and the TV cash component went from $690m to $965m and Telstra cash component went from $60m to $153m, the clubs got their base distribution + the $1.2m TV bonus for 5 years and then the AFL introduced what they called an equal and dis-equal distribution, every club got $500k in 2012, $575k in 2013, $650k in 2014, $725k in 2015 and $800k in 2016.

The dis-equal component distributions was for many reasons, including funding to help build new facilities, not just general distributions so the club can survive like happens with big amounts to the new clubs.

In 2017 the salary cap went from $10,368.980 in 2016 to $12,445,028 in 2017, so the base distribution went up by $2,076,048. You can get these salary cap figures from page 63 the AFL Player Earnings page.

So as the table below says the 2016 base distribution from page 145 of the 2016 AFL annual report. was $8,188,488 then the 2017 base distribution was $10,264,536. I'm not sure why the minimum distribution in 2017 was $10.611m to Collingwood, Hawthorn and West Coast

Given the TV cash component went from $965m over 5 years to $2,008m over 6 years and the Telstra cash went from $153m to $300m, I can't see why the $1.2m/year TV bonus wasn't paid and the $800k equal component all clubs got in 2016 wasn't paid in 2017. But it looks like it wasn't included in the left hand side table distributions above for 2017, and the table on the right hand side specifies what those distributions are for and it doesn't look like the TV bonus is in there. So I find this very strange.

An important thing to remember is that the AFL pay each club a distribution per AFL Member who ticks a box saying which club they support ie AFL Memeber Club Support. Not everyone tickets a box but about 85% of members do. There is a set amount per adult member, concession member and junior member the AFL distribute to the clubs. In 2013 and 2014 I know each adult member with club support the AFL paid $138 to the club. Eddie cracked the shits and had a go at it in 2013 and the AFL decided in its 2014 AFL Record Season Guide book not to tell us how much they paid, ie the minimum 11 game Victorian membership fee for each category plus other minimum membership fee for 16/1/18 games for vic based members. I have every AFL Record Season Guide since the first one in 1996 and since 2014 the AFL have stopped putting this info in their annual book. A Port official confirmed to me the 2014 amounts were the same as 2013 but I haven't asked post 2014.

They also have stopped issuing the break down of AFL Members in the 3 categories for each club in their annual reports. They went to a total figure and then no figure!! Why?? Hiding info?? The last annual report they gave the break down was 2014. So in 2014 Collingwood, who have the biggest AFL Members, had the following AFL Members counted in their total and the AFL paid them

Collingwood 9261 adults x $138, 1259 concession x $82.50, 1623 juniors x $18 = 12,143 members = $1,411,099.50.

So 2014 was the last year the AFL gives a break down of AFL Memberships by club, 2015 they just give a generic -
AFL MEMBERSHIP
AFL Membership posted strong results again in 2015, with a total of 55,301
members. This represented a slight decrease of 2.26 per cent on 2014. AFL
Membership again had lower than industry churn rates of 3.71 per cent for Full members
and 9.3 per cent for Silver members. AFL Membership is made up of 31,017 Full
members, 20,469 Silver members and 3270 Absentee members. With 49,239
members electing a club of support, AFL Membership accounts for 7.06 per cent
of total club access members.

And 2016 and 2017 annual reports they give us no info at all about AFL Membership numbers. Why? They are a bunch of campaigners who want to hide stuff.

But at a guess about $1.5m of Collingwood's $3.4m in the table above on the right hand side comes from AFL Memberships with Club Support.

Bottom line, the AFL give minimal info about what all these distributions really represent!!!

In the table below for 2016 every club has an $800k equal distribution in the Other column, basically representing the increase in TV monies from the 2012-16 TV deal over the 2007-11 deal.

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You never fail to amaze me with your knowledge and comprehensive replies on this topic. Thanks you REH!

 

[Prison bar Pete]

You never fail to amaze me with your knowledge and comprehensive replies on this topic. Thanks you REH!

I think he's probably just exploded a few brains on this forum Fizz!

 

[caloschwaby]

Table below in purple is from the 2017 AFL annual report page 82.

I don't know why clubs report their AFL figures distributions (see The Wookies list) differently to how the AFL report them but there are many reasons including a)cash received vs accruals accounting b) some clubs show the distributions the AFL pay them for AFL Members with Club Support as membership revenue, c) some clubs show distributions for travel subsidies as negative expenses not revenue from the AFL d) some clubs show other distributions as capital amount contribution and not revenue received in the P&L for facilities and on it goes.

View attachment 521561

Now this has to be interpreted somewhat because something is missing. Since 1999 I think or 1 year either side, the AFL base distribution goes up by how much the salary cap goes up by.

When the 2007-2011 TV deal was signed, and the TV cash component went from $405m to $690m the AFL said each of the 16 clubs would get $1.2m/year over 5 years and it was called a TV bonus. (Gold Coast got this in 2011). Telstra cash went from $20m to $60m. Then when the 2012-16 TV deal was signed and the TV cash component went from $690m to $965m and Telstra cash component went from $60m to $153m, the clubs got their base distribution + the $1.2m TV bonus for 5 years and then the AFL introduced what they called an equal and dis-equal distribution, every club got $500k in 2012, $575k in 2013, $650k in 2014, $725k in 2015 and $800k in 2016.

The dis-equal component distributions was for many reasons, including funding to help build new facilities, not just general distributions so the club can survive like happens with big amounts to the new clubs.

In 2017 the salary cap went from $10,368.980 in 2016 to $12,445,028 in 2017, so the base distribution went up by $2,076,048. You can get these salary cap figures from page 63 the AFL Player Earnings page.

So as the table below says the 2016 base distribution from page 145 of the 2016 AFL annual report. was $8,188,488 then the 2017 base distribution was $10,264,536. I'm not sure why the minimum distribution in 2017 was $10.611m to Collingwood, Hawthorn and West Coast

Given the TV cash component went from $965m over 5 years to $2,008m over 6 years and the Telstra cash went from $153m to $300m, I can't see why the $1.2m/year TV bonus wasn't paid and the $800k equal component all clubs got in 2016 wasn't paid in 2017. But it looks like it wasn't included in the left hand side table distributions above for 2017, and the table on the right hand side specifies what those distributions are for and it doesn't look like the TV bonus is in there. So I find this very strange.

An important thing to remember is that the AFL pay each club a distribution per AFL Member who ticks a box saying which club they support ie AFL Memeber Club Support. Not everyone tickets a box but about 85% of members do. There is a set amount per adult member, concession member and junior member the AFL distribute to the clubs. In 2013 and 2014 I know each adult member with club support the AFL paid $138 to the club. Eddie cracked the shits and had a go at it in 2013 and the AFL decided in its 2014 AFL Record Season Guide book not to tell us how much they paid, ie the minimum 11 game Victorian membership fee for each category plus other minimum membership fee for 16/1/18 games for vic based members. I have every AFL Record Season Guide since the first one in 1996 and since 2014 the AFL have stopped putting this info in their annual book. A Port official confirmed to me the 2014 amounts were the same as 2013 but I haven't asked post 2014.

They also have stopped issuing the break down of AFL Members in the 3 categories for each club in their annual reports. They went to a total figure and then no figure!! Why?? Hiding info?? The last annual report they gave the break down was 2014. So in 2014 Collingwood, who have the biggest AFL Members, had the following AFL Members counted in their total and the AFL paid them

Collingwood 9261 adults x $138, 1259 concession x $82.50, 1623 juniors x $18 = 12,143 members = $1,411,099.50.

So 2014 was the last year the AFL gives a break down of AFL Memberships by club, 2015 they just give a generic -
AFL MEMBERSHIP
AFL Membership posted strong results again in 2015, with a total of 55,301
members. This represented a slight decrease of 2.26 per cent on 2014. AFL
Membership again had lower than industry churn rates of 3.71 per cent for Full members
and 9.3 per cent for Silver members. AFL Membership is made up of 31,017 Full
members, 20,469 Silver members and 3270 Absentee members. With 49,239
members electing a club of support, AFL Membership accounts for 7.06 per cent
of total club access members.

And 2016 and 2017 annual reports they give us no info at all about AFL Membership numbers. Why? They are a bunch of campaigners who want to hide stuff.

But at a guess about $1.5m of Collingwood's $3.4m in the table above on the right hand side comes from AFL Memberships with Club Support.

Bottom line, the AFL give minimal info about what all these distributions really represent!!!

In the table below for 2016 every club has an $800k equal distribution in the Other column, basically representing the increase in TV monies from the 2012-16 TV deal over the 2007-11 deal.

View attachment 521573