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Can people please get some perspective before shooting off at the mouth.
Hampson is a RUCKMAN FIRST, we are undermanned in the tall forward department and he has been asked to undertake a steep learning curve, while still on another one. His tapwork has been superior to that of Kreuzer all year. With the return of Warnock, Hammer has been asked to play almost exclusively forward. In the early matches he "worked in to game" usually after a run on the ball. Gets to more marking contests than the other 2, yes he is not holding too many of late, but feel like a few other players is not confident in his role so is a couple of percent off. Let's not forget his vision issues at night particularly. If he is at least bringing it to ground he is contributing OK.
We all love Kreuzer the footballer, I don't love him as a ruckman, the other 2 are better going forward. I had a mate growing up who was a ruckman, (representative at junior level) stopped growing 5' 11". Never could relate to being anything but a ruckman, needless to say didn't amount to much. Kreuzer is a footballer who is a handy ruckman, Ratten and co need to find an alternate role. Is a pinch hitting forward not KPF. I repeat has to be tried in defence. We are waiting on Mitchell or Rowe/Casboult as KPF, if Hendo goes to CHF with Jamison and Watson KPDs Kreuze working out of a back pocket with some on ball time would give us some balance.
Warnock and Hampson to do the bulk of the ruckwork. Structures could be worked to allow Krueze to ruck in defence with mid size working back in defence, and 206/Hammer offering a target on rebound.
Hammer is our most bankable ruckman, not necessarily best. Trade talk is blasphemy.
 
Coona Blues said:
Can people please get some perspective before shooting off at the mouth.
Hampson is a RUCKMAN FIRST, we are undermanned in the tall forward department and he has been asked to undertake a steep learning curve, while still on another one. His tapwork has been superior to that of Kreuzer all year. With the return of Warnock, Hammer has been asked to play almost exclusively forward. In the early matches he "worked in to game" usually after a run on the ball. Gets to more marking contests than the other 2, yes he is not holding too many of late, but feel like a few other players is not confident in his role so is a couple of percent off. Let's not forget his vision issues at night particularly. If he is at least bringing it to ground he is contributing OK.
We all love Kreuzer the footballer, I don't love him as a ruckman, the other 2 are better going forward. I had a mate growing up who was a ruckman, (representative at junior level) stopped growing 5' 11". Never could relate to being anything but a ruckman, needless to say didn't amount to much. Kreuzer is a footballer who is a handy ruckman, Ratten and co need to find an alternate role. Is a pinch hitting forward not KPF. I repeat has to be tried in defence. We are waiting on Mitchell or Rowe/Casboult as KPF, if Hendo goes to CHF with Jamison and Watson KPDs Kreuze working out of a back pocket with some on ball time would give us some balance.
Warnock and Hampson to do the bulk of the ruckwork. Structures could be worked to allow Krueze to ruck in defence with mid size working back in defence, and 206/Hammer offering a target on rebound.
Hammer is our most bankable ruckman, not necessarily best. Trade talk is blasphemy.
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Hampson has played some reasonable games up forward against the weaker teams, but has really found it difficult against decent oppostion, he is not a forward and never will be, he just does not hold enough marks, get to the right places, and lacks footy smarts, had we had one decent tall friday night we would have won by 4-5 goals,he is only there because we have on one else.
 
In fairness to Hampson, the expectations on him are too high as he has never been a natural footballer. He is good in training runs, i.e GWS but not much good against experienced players. What I find most disappointing is his inability to make an impact on contests, some examples against Geelong include deep in defence in the last,he just did not push hard enough to be in the contest. He also had the opportunity to really state his presence on the lead in the first and get a knee in the back of Lonergan when flying for the ball, went half asked and Geelong won posession. He puts a real body in and crunches Lonergan early it puts a real worry in the mind of the third man up. At his size, although he lacks smarts, he also lacks presence even with his imposing build (which is even more concerning) and I have not seen great enough second efforts from him, this may be why I keep hearing built like tarzan plays like Jane. I hope he can prove wrong, but while he is best 22 we will not be tilting at any premiership.
 
Murphkreuzmitch said:
In fairness to Hampson, the expectations on him are too high as he has never been a natural footballer. He is good in training runs, i.e GWS but not much good against experienced players. What I find most disappointing is his inability to make an impact on contests, some examples against Geelong include deep in defence in the last,he just did not push hard enough to be in the contest. He also had the opportunity to really state his presence on the lead in the first and get a knee in the back of Lonergan when flying for the ball, went half asked and Geelong won posession. He puts a real body in and crunches Lonergan early it puts a real worry in the mind of the third man up. At his size, although he lacks smarts, he also lacks presence even with his imposing build (which is even more concerning) and I have not seen great enough second efforts from him, this may be why I keep hearing built like tarzan plays like Jane. I hope he can prove wrong, but while he is best 22 we will not be tilting at any premiership.
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He is a top 20 draft pick and 24 years of age, built like a human god. If they doesn't create expectation then what does?
 
Kills me we traded Jacobs instead oh Hampson, GWS would have given us a mid to late first rounder for sure. Don't know who made the call at the club but they weakened our list with the decision. Hampson thinks 'mark' is a first name.
 

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Jock said:
Kills me we traded Jacobs instead oh Hampson, GWS would have given us a mid to late first rounder for sure. Don't know who made the call at the club but they weakened our list with the decision. Hampson thinks 'mark' is a first name.
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Wasn't entirely our choice. .. Jacobs had the go home factor and still would have been third behind Kreuze and Nocka (at the time) so he would have still left for opportunity. ..
 
Jock said:
Kills me we traded Jacobs instead oh Hampson, GWS would have given us a mid to late first rounder for sure. Don't know who made the call at the club but they weakened our list with the decision. Hampson thinks 'mark' is a first name.
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How many times does it have to be mentioned that Jacobs made the decision?

He asked for a trade so he could go home to Adelaide.

It really isn't hard to comprehend, yet somehow some people seem to struggle with it.

We didn't kick him out of the club, and our preference would have been to keep him. He didn't want to stay.
 
scomac said:
People are allowed opinions we all expect better,he has had ample opportunity to learn how to mark a bloody footy considering that it should have been learnt at 10 years old.Project players?
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Hampson has been quiet up forward for two weeks, but still won the hitouts and shoved it down our midfielders' throat with Warnock subbed out.

I guess Hampson should have smashed a gun in Scarlett who still has the pace to pressure Betts in that chase on the wing. o_O

Matthews praised Hampson for attacking the ball hard and dragging down that contested mark in the middle of the ground.

Sakc Hammer for dropping a mark. :rolleyes:
 
BROWN20 said:
Hampson has played some reasonable games up forward against the weaker teams, but has really found it difficult against decent oppostion, he is not a forward and never will be, he just does not hold enough marks, get to the right places, and lacks footy smarts, had we had one decent tall friday night we would have won by 4-5 goals,he is only there because we have on one else.
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Geelong didn't have a decent tall forward and still won. Our inaccurate kicking by our small/medium fwds cost us badly. Garlett, Walker and Judd all missed easy shots, not to mention we hit the post 5 times.
 
Jeremias said:
How many times does it have to be mentioned that Jacobs made the decision?

He asked for a trade so he could go home to Adelaide.

It really isn't hard to comprehend, yet somehow some people seem to struggle with it.

We didn't kick him out of the club, and our preference would have been to keep him. He didn't want to stay.
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You can try and get them to stay by a number of means J - You don't think he also requested a trade because he wasn't getting game time? How about this one, will you stay if we move the 7 foot training cone on, offer you a two year deal, a couple of flights home a year and give you more opportunity, we really value you?
 
Coona Blues said:
Can people please get some perspective before shooting off at the mouth.
Hampson is a RUCKMAN FIRST, we are undermanned in the tall forward department and he has been asked to undertake a steep learning curve, while still on another one.

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Warnock and Hampson to do the bulk of the ruckwork. Structures could be worked to allow Krueze to ruck in defence with mid size working back in defence, and 206/Hammer offering a target on rebound.
Hammer is our most bankable ruckman, not necessarily best. Trade talk is blasphemy.
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Perspective could be lacking because pre-season we supporters and Hammer (to convince him he would get game time and should re-sign) were fed bullshit by Ratts that he would be a keyforward - it has been worth a try but I think we were just after ruck insurance for we believed we needed to play 2 ruckman (and therefore needed 3 on our list in the event of injuries)
I agree totally about finding another position for Kreuze or (heartlessly and greedily) see him as the possible trade (won't happen)
 
TheGeneral said:
Hampson has been quiet up forward for two weeks, but still won the hitouts and shoved it down our midfielders' throat with Warnock subbed out.

I guess Hampson should have smashed a gun in Scarlett who still has the pace to pressure Betts in that chase on the wing. o_O

Matthews praised Hampson for attacking the ball hard and dragging down that contested mark in the middle of the ground.

Sakc Hammer for dropping a mark. :rolleyes:
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Some supporters also need to take their Carlton hats off for a moment and be objective, aside from Hampson kicking a few goals against lowly sides he has done very little to suggest he is a forward of any substance at all, not disputing at all he is a reasonable ruckman, but the dream of making one of the ruckman a forward is just that, a dream will not happen.
 
BROWN20 said:
Some supporters also need to take their Carlton hats off for a moment and be objective, aside from Hampson kicking a few goals against lowly sides he has done very little to suggest he is a forward of any substance at all, not disputing at all he is a reasonable ruckman, but the dream of making one of the ruckman a forward is just that, a dream will not happen.
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Who do we replace him with? The injury situation in our tall stocks limit our ability to move here, for the moment. .. Same with the 3 rucks currently playing, we could rest Kreuze or drop Hammer but then we are a forward short, Hendo isn't going to carry it on his own. ..

Additionally, Hammer was looking ok early on before the team started its flat spot. .. So may as well use the opportunity or lack there of to see if he can turn it around, hopefully if Thornton is fit we can inject a 3rd tall to help him and Kreuzer/Hendo out. .. For the record I'd look to give Kreuze, not Hammer, a rest as soon as Mitchell looks fit enough, to see what Luke can do. ..
 
I think all the people saying he is a ruckman and not a forward are forgetting that at the start of the year Ratten stated that Hampson would be used mainly as a forward. So everyone saying that his poor forward play is due to the fact that he is more a ruckman need to listen to where the club actually wants him to be played as. In the position as a forward he is not up to scratch and after 6 years at the club he never will be IMHO
 
son of dominator said:
I think all the people saying he is a ruckman and not a forward are forgetting that at the start of the year Ratten stated that Hampson would be used mainly as a forward. So everyone saying that his poor forward play is due to the fact that he is more a ruckman need to listen to where the club actually wants him to be played as. In the position as a forward he is not up to scratch and after 6 years at the club he never will be IMHO
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People have taken Ratts's statement out of context. He is a ruckman playing forward. The intention was that he would work in tandem with Waite or Rowe or maybe even Mitchell.

As a ruckman playing forward he's been very good so far (Personally he should stay deep forward and not get up the ground).

The club never expected him to be our main forward focus and he shouldn't be assessed as that.
 

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