Harcourt presentation "bombshell"

[NikkiNoo]

Ummmmm..........I'm not sure how to break this to you, old bean. The AOD train was derailed and all clinging precariously to it were killed off quite a while ago now. The investigative body has conceded defeat, you may want to begin to consider doing the same.

#StandbytheDaw

Ethically and medically there are major issues about the use of AOD in Australia that Essendon and their supporters appear to believe that it doesn't apply to them. Sorry if my ethics that administering a substance to athletes under the care of a sporting organisation that is not allowed to be administered without approval from the TGA was apparently done is a bad thing. You can hold onto your semantics. I'll stick to my ethical values and understanding of the matter.

Where is the TGA approval, please? Or did the dog eat those too?

 

[tesla1962]

If you're a person who doesn't factor in the identity and motive of the speaker in assessing the value of their words, well.....

I'd like to offer you an opportunity associated with the recovery of substantial funds I have in a Nigerian bank.

If that's all you say and not discuss what was said then how useful is that

I see you still haven't divested yourself of your Nigerian assets. I hope they didn't cost you too much.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Confirmation the AFL knew all about it and said nothing until it was about to be exposed by the ACC. Dirty sport. Supports Hird's claim that Big D tipped off the Bombers and should, by the letter of the law, be in jail.

And AFLPA, save your faux outrage. The players lapped it up.

 

[Nut_Sacks]

HGH is outright illegal. There is zero chance Dank didn't cover his steps with that and remember ASADA cannot use the evidence gathered by the ACC.

TB4 is the drug in play because Dank made a school boy error and failed to realise it status had changed to banned. If he knew, TB4 would be buried as well.

If it was Dermot Brereton pursuing this action I would believe the OP's conspiracy theory. Otherwise it belongs with the tooth fairy and santa clause.

Thats not correct

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

Ethically and medically there are major issues about the use of AOD in Australia that Essendon and their supporters appear to believe that it doesn't apply to them. Sorry if my ethics that administering a substance to athletes under the care of a sporting organisation that is not allowed to be administered without approval from the TGA was apparently done is a bad thing. You can hold onto your semantics. I'll stick to my ethical values and understanding of the matter.

Where is the TGA approval, please? Or did the dog eat those too?

Your apology is accepted

Your ethical values are as worthless as the incessant, misinformed posting on these boards in the grand scheme of things.

Another worthless entity in all of this seems to be your "understanding". ASADA have decided not to pursue the matter any further because their "understanding" is that they will not be able to get the case over the line. Perhaps if you are so insistent on the AOD case being a viable undertaking, you should contact ASADA and offer your expert advice. Let us know how receptive they are to your offer.

Now while you snuggle up to your warm fuzzy morals and preach them to all who care to listen, our players will cleared on the cold hard basis of rules, regulations and legalities. Mull that over as you dwell in your righteous indignation and let me know how many flags moral high ground wins for your organisation.

 

[jenny61_99]

Confirmation the AFL knew all about it and said nothing until it was about to be exposed by the ACC. Dirty sport. Supports Hird's claim that Big D tipped off the Bombers and should, by the letter of the law, be in jail.

And AFLPA, save your faux outrage. The players lapped it up.

Andy D clearly knew about it long before the ACC reared their ugly head. But the fact remains, the ACC did not tell Andy D which team was involved. That he knew it was Essendon, had nothing to do with the ACC. Therefore he didn't break the law (even though we all know he tipped them off).

 

[jenny61_99]

Your apology is accepted

Your ethical values are as worthless as the incessant, misinformed posting on these boards in the grand scheme of things.

Another worthless entity in all of this seems to be your "understanding". ASADA have decided not to pursue the matter any further because their "understanding" is that they will not be able to get the case over the line. Perhaps if you are so insistent on the AOD case being a viable undertaking, you should contact ASADA and offer your expert advice. Let us know how receptive they are to your offer.

Now while you snuggle up to your warm fuzzy morals and preach them to all who care to listen, our players will cleared on the cold hard basis of rules, regulations and legalities. Mull that over as you dwell in your righteous indignation and let me know how many flags moral high ground wins for your organisation.

Yes, who the hell cares about ethics? Surely not Essendon who pumped experimental substances into their players that's for damned sure. And whilst it is a very small possibility that Essendon gets away with it because of a technicality, it in no way diminishes their deplorable actions. You should be so proud.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Your apology is accepted

Your ethical values are as worthless as the incessant, misinformed posting on these boards in the grand scheme of things.

Another worthless entity in all of this seems to be your "understanding". ASADA have decided not to pursue the matter any further because their "understanding" is that they will not be able to get the case over the line. Perhaps if you are so insistent on the AOD case being a viable undertaking, you should contact ASADA and offer your expert advice. Let us know how receptive they are to your offer.

Now while you snuggle up to your warm fuzzy morals and preach them to all who care to listen, our players will cleared on the cold hard basis of rules, regulations and legalities. Mull that over as you dwell in your righteous indignation and let me know how many flags moral high ground wins for your organisation.

Actually Ethics are governed by rules and legislation and codes in Australia, particularly in relation to experimentation and research on humans and animals. I have worked in this area and ASADA are not the issue for Essendon, but the TGA and NHMRC might be if there information that can be provided to them.

 

[JakeandFatman]

The use of GHRP 2 and 6 was done in late 2011 and early 2012. I have been on these boards for a while saying this.
A friend of mine was told by Dank directly that he gave these substances to Essendon. This is fact.
This friend has given evidence to ASADA. This is fact too.

When not if Essendon players cop their 2 year bans, may I be the first one to send a carton of Crown's finest to your friend as a thank you.

 

[BoneIdle]

Hmm okay. It will depend on when they took the samples and how often they were given TB4 during the supplement program

That is the point of going off site. They stay at the off site clinic until it is undetectable, that way the drug testers can never get a positive sample.

 

[jezzajay]

Your apology is accepted

Your ethical values are as worthless as the incessant, misinformed posting on these boards in the grand scheme of things.

Another worthless entity in all of this seems to be your "understanding". ASADA have decided not to pursue the matter any further because their "understanding" is that they will not be able to get the case over the line. Perhaps if you are so insistent on the AOD case being a viable undertaking, you should contact ASADA and offer your expert advice. Let us know how receptive they are to your offer.

Now while you snuggle up to your warm fuzzy morals and preach them to all who care to listen, our players will cleared on the cold hard basis of rules, regulations and legalities. Mull that over as you dwell in your righteous indignation and let me know how many flags moral high ground wins for your organisation.

Having an Essendon supporter (with a Hird icon) blurt on about ethics, morals, rules, regulations and legalities is rather sickening...
you're more twisted than i thought!
Now for this Essendon supporter to be questioning someone elses ethics, morals etc is just down right WRONG!
I now firmly believe Essendon should be in a league of their own as you have so succinctly proven you believe you are above and beyond the AFL...something along the lines of the UFC would be more suited.

 

[JakeandFatman]

James Hird's attitude is quite simply
If I go down
I will bring the entire AFL organisation down with me.

Did you watch the Lance Armstrong documentary last night? The parralels between the way Armstrong acted and Essendon are staggering.

It's almost like an Essendon official was reading a book about Lance Armstrong and the tactics he used to get away with it for so long, and have implemented them to the letter.

Maybe they were reading this book about Armstrong at the same time they were reading a book about "World Doping" and having lay people injecting players *


* Section 65 of Charge Sheet - http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf

 

[vjknight]

Yes, who the hell cares about ethics? Surely not Essendon who pumped experimental substances into their players that's for damned sure. And whilst it is a very small possibility that Essendon gets away with it because of a technicality, it in no way diminishes their deplorable actions. You should be so proud.

dont know why you & and others both jen. this tird has maintained this line for a long time. doesnt care. or a troll. either way ignore him.

 

[Boxhead_31]

The funniest thing from this "Bombshell" is EFC trying to spin it to being AFL/ASADA's fault the players are where they are.
ASADA informed the AFL that Hird asked questions of one of its testers about peptides, when the AFL found out about this they let Hird know he should stay away from them but instead of heeding this advice Hird proceeded to go down the peptide path.

And all of this is ASADA/AFL fault how?

 

[QuietB]

Thats not correct

My understanding is that while they have access to the information, it is not admissible as evidence in any of ASADA's investigations. So the only way they can use it is if they can go and get the evidence again. In the instance of phone taps for example that is obviously not possible. I am sure the ACC report has pointed ASADA in the direction of where many of the substances have come from, but ASADA have had to go back to those places and collect their own evidence again.

Happy to be proven wrong but that was my understanding.

 

[JakeandFatman]

The funniest thing from this "Bombshell" is EFC trying to spin it to being AFL/ASADA's fault the players are where they are.
ASADA informed the AFL that Hird asked questions of one of its testers about peptides, when the AFL found out about this they let Hird know he should stay away from them but instead of heeding this advice Hird proceeded to go down the peptide path.

And all of this is ASADA/AFL fault how?

Yup. And when Doc Reid raised concerns with Hird about the injections being given, Hird once again ignored his apparantly great mate and doctor for his kids, and tried to get Reid pushed aside because he was stopping "Danky" doing his thing. ROFL

 

[stfan]

Have to laugh how EFC and EFC supporters can think that the AFL knowing that the EFC were up to no good prior to actually investigating them for same is some how the AFL being at fault!!!

It was common knowledge in Football circles, including on this Board, that the EFC were indulging in dubious practices.

The EFC then knowing this, like many cheats, were silly and arrogant enough to press on.

Hindsight would seem to say that this is because while they knew it was all about gaining an unfair advantage (cheating), that they had found a way a to cheat within the rules.

So morally they have been cheats throughout. And it would seem by the WADA Code that they have also been cheats. Bar somehow getting off on a technicality (the cheats way) they are gone.

 

[DudleyB]

If the evidence is weak and trumped up as the OP suggests. Then lets just have an open transparent hearing and get it all out there.

Then we will all know it is weak/trumped up etc and EFC will be vindicated and ASADA will look like fools.

So what are we waiting for?

 

[Jobe Watson]

I guess when can add Ian Pendlebury to the list of pro-Essendon delusionalists.

 

[QuietB]

Have to laugh how EFC and EFC supporters can think that the AFL knowing that the EFC were up to no good prior to actually investigating them for same is some how the AFL being at fault!!!

It was common knowledge in Football circles, including on this Board, that the EFC were indulging in dubious practices.

The EFC then knowing this, like many cheats, were silly and arrogant enough to press on.

Hindsight would seem to say that this is because while they knew it was all about gaining an unfair advantage (cheating), that they had found a way a to cheat within the rules.

So morally they have been cheats throughout. And it would seem by the WADA Code that they have also been cheats. Bar somehow getting off on a technicality (the cheats way) they are gone.

This is the most baffling thing of all time. What the hell were they thinking to keep going?

 

[ShanDog]

Your apology is accepted

Your ethical values are as worthless as the incessant, misinformed posting on these boards in the grand scheme of things.

Another worthless entity in all of this seems to be your "understanding". ASADA have decided not to pursue the matter any further because their "understanding" is that they will not be able to get the case over the line. Perhaps if you are so insistent on the AOD case being a viable undertaking, you should contact ASADA and offer your expert advice. Let us know how receptive they are to your offer.

Now while you snuggle up to your warm fuzzy morals and preach them to all who care to listen, our players will cleared on the cold hard basis of rules, regulations and legalities. Mull that over as you dwell in your righteous indignation and let me know how many flags moral high ground wins for your organisation.

It's people like you that make the wait for the infraction notices and bans worthwhile

 

[JakeandFatman]

If the evidence is weak and trumped up as the OP suggests. Then lets just have an open transparent hearing and get it all out there.

Then we will all know it is weak/trumped up etc and EFC will be vindicated and ASADA will look like fools.

So what are we waiting for?

LOL the irony is the evidence is apparently so weak they are currently in court trying to get the evidence completely dismissed.

 

[JakeandFatman]

It's people like you that make the wait for the infraction notices and bans worthwhile

The day the infraction notices happen the entire HTB should turn up at Windy Hill with portable BBQ's and have a sausage sizzle. I know I personally will be dancing down the streets clicking my heels like the war had just ended.

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

It's people like you that make the wait for the infraction notices and bans worthwhile

Imagine your surprise when IN's don't eventuate. Oh dear

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

The day the infraction notices happen the entire HTB should turn up at Windy Hill with portable BBQ's and have a sausage sizzle. I know I personally will be dancing down the streets clicking my heels like the war had just ended.

The lads at the bowls club will hand you a map to Tulla and tell you to piss off.