Injury Harris Andrews injury updates :(

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kylegee28 said:
Not sure if it's been shared here, but there was a good GIF shared on Reddit. Cameron's definitely getting a long holiday.

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He was never going for the ball!
 
kylegee28 said:
Not sure if it's been shared here, but there was a good GIF shared on Reddit. Cameron's definitely getting a long holiday.

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Such a stupid act. Makes my blood boil. There is no exaggeration in saying doing what Cameron did there could have killed him.

I was actually a Cameron fan before Saturday. I'll never look at him the same again now. Piece of shit.
 

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Best wishes and a speedy recovery to Harris Andrews,

will be at the game this weekend and was looking forward to watching him play. Guy is a dead set gun, was finally starting to get the recognition he deserved.

Hope Cameron has the book thrown at him, there was nothing but malice in his actions on the weekend.
 
There is no "reckless" category, at least officially, only careless and intentional. If the contact is rated as severe (and it should be) then the base sanction for both is 3+ weeks and as dlanod says there is no discount for an early plea. He also has a relevant bad record. As for making a statement, the rules last year (not sure about this year) provide that the Tribunal can do just that:
For incidents referred directly to the Tribunal, serious intentional
actions and/or serious misconduct will be subject to greater sanctions
commensurate with the potential to cause serious injury and/or the potential
to prejudice the reputation of any person, club or the AFL or bring the game of
football into disrepute
The kid has a brain bleed. He's very fortunate if he didn't sustain a brain injury. This is the sort of thing that will cause parents to stop their kids playing the game. How much more does there have to be to make a statment that this has no place in our game. He led with his elbow. Less than 6 and the AFL isn't serious.
 
Truly sickening. Sickening the affect it has had on Andrews and sickening how Cameron tried to defend himself. Gutless wonder.

Most of all sickening that he pretty much has significantly less chance to get the AA reward that imo he deserved, all because Cameron is a thug.

Best of luck to the young lad on a speedy full recovery
 
WhiteLionFeva said:
There is no "reckless" category, at least officially, only careless and intentional. If the contact is rated as severe (and it should be) then the base sanction for both is 3+ weeks and as dlanod says there is no discount for an early plea. He also has a relevant bad record. As for making a statement, the rules last year (not sure about this year) provide that the Tribunal can do just that:
For incidents referred directly to the Tribunal, serious intentional
actions and/or serious misconduct will be subject to greater sanctions
commensurate with the potential to cause serious injury and/or the potential
to prejudice the reputation of any person, club or the AFL or bring the game of
football into disrepute
The kid has a brain bleed. He's very fortunate if he didn't sustain a brain injury. This is the sort of thing that will cause parents to stop their kids playing the game. How much more does there have to be to make a statment that this has no place in our game. He led with his elbow. Less than 6 and the AFL isn't serious.
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The rules are different this year (I forgot to check that when talking about reckless). Referral to the tribunal is for a larger range of offences this year so the above doesn't apply - there's a lot more discretion now.

FWIW Andrews has absolutely sustained a brain injury as both concussions and brain bleeds are exactly that.
 
dlanod said:
I'm not sure it's conclusive - there's no depth in that photo. Going off the footage on the weekend I think the fist goes passed his face, i.e. it's actually closer to the camera than Harris's head but the photo can't show that, and the contact is still with the elbow.
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That was my pic lol. I agree it shows no depth. The reason I chose this pic is because a poster said that when he played footy he routinely used his forearm to brace against contact to protect his ribs. That’s why I circled his forearm and ribs. In no way does that still show that his is trying to protect his head OR ribs! His forearm and elbow are at the height of his shoulder. You do not protect yourself by doing this. You do not see boxers or mma fighters cocking an elbow to protect their head or ribs. They have their arms tucked in and forearm is vertical to cover your body against impact.
You see an mma fighter using it as a weapon.
To me it shows he was intent on making contact with Andrews in a forceful way.
Whether or not he wanted to hit his head only Cameron knows for sure.
 
SacksonvilleJags said:
Whether or not he wanted to hit his head only Cameron knows for sure.
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From what I understand from how the AFL judged the Fyfe case early in the year that's irrelevant. If he meant to throw the elbow (at the body or the head) then its an intentional act.
 
SacksonvilleJags said:
That was my pic lol. I agree it shows no depth. The reason I chose this pic is because a poster said that when he played footy he routinely used his forearm to brace against contact to protect his ribs. That’s why I circled his forearm and ribs. In no way does that still show that his is trying to protect his head OR ribs! His forearm and elbow are at the height of his shoulder. You do not protect yourself by doing this. You do not see boxers or mma fighters cocking an elbow to protect their head or ribs. They have their arms tucked in and forearm is vertical to cover your body against impact.
You see an mma fighter using it as a weapon.
To me it shows he was intent on making contact with Andrews in a forceful way.
Whether or not he wanted to hit his head only Cameron knows for sure.
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That explains the second circle - I was wondering about that! Was taken out of context somewhere along the line then. :)

Funnily enough re-watching the footage in that GIF makes me think it looks less worse than I originally thought.
  1. Cameron heads for the ball drop.
  2. Andrews and Cameron leap at the same time.
  3. Cameron starts to extend his arm with a closed first to spoil.
  4. Cameron realises he's going to be late to the contest and turns his body. He pulls the fist he was going to spoil with away across his body but still collects Andrews with his elbow.
The last part is the real problem. And I still think he goes for the 4-6 weeks.
 
Zacy boy said:
Best wishes and a speedy recovery to Harris Andrews,

will be at the game this weekend and was looking forward to watching him play. Guy is a dead set gun, was finally starting to get the recognition he deserved.

Hope Cameron has the book thrown at him, there was nothing but malice in his actions on the weekend.
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Yeah there's obviously bigger things at play here and I'm crushed to have lost arguably our best player but I only get to see them once a year too and I was really looking forward to seeing Harris. Super disappointing that he won't be with the team on Sunday.
 

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KissKiss said:
From what I understand from how the AFL judged the Fyfe case early in the year that's irrelevant. If he meant to throw the elbow (at the body or the head) then its an intentional act.
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Oh I completely agree and that’s my point... that eventhough he may not have intended to hit Andrews in the head. I believe it’s clear that his intention was to make forceful contact. Also, watching the reply it looks as if he actually slightly raises the elbow even more upon hitting Andrews. As I have said before to me all this screams his intention was to hit him.
I do not see any evidence this was done to ‘brace’ or minimise the risk of personal injury to himself.
 
Checkered said:
Yeah there's obviously bigger things at play here and I'm crushed to have lost arguably our best player but I only get to see them once a year too and I was really looking forward to seeing Harris. Super disappointing that he won't be with the team on Sunday.
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Hopefully we can have a win for the Harris (and all of our WA supporters).
 
SacksonvilleJags said:
It’s tough being a Lions supporter in WA
I cop a lot of flak for following the Lions! Especially because I have one of ‘clean’ shopping bags with the Brisbane lions logo all over it and I bring to work everyday with me!
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Have you been to the new stadium yet? This week will be my first game there.
 
kylegee28 said:
Not sure if it's been shared here, but there was a good GIF shared on Reddit. Cameron's definitely getting a long holiday.

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Intent was to HURT, this was NEVER about protecting himself....
  • Was always going to be late to the contest.
  • Was never in a position to mark.
  • IMO, was ALWAYS going to play/hunt the man

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*edit - blue line constant line of contact with row of yellow seats - ball yellow circled

In frame 1
- Cameron maybe a bit over 5m – [15ft] away from impact zone
- Harris maybe a meter/4feet?

Frame 2
- Both players STILL on the ground
- Harris pretty close to stationary
- Cameron still 2 meters? Away

Frame 3
- Harris still stationary as punches/contacts ball
- Cameron has him lined up - and late to the contest
 
Dylan12 said:
Terry Wallace still of the view that Gardiner’s push contributed to the severity of Cameron’s hit :rolleyes:
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Their lawyer will no doubt try to use this to reduce the punishment but I think the videos show there was very little force.
 
Dylan12 said:
Terry Wallace still of the view that Gardiner’s push contributed to the severity of Cameron’s hit :rolleyes:
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Yeah, no way is that a push. Gardiner had his hand on Cameron's arm - if there was force, it would have turned Cameron rather than caused him to move forward. But then I'm surprised anyone pays attention to Wallace at all.
 
dlanod said:
Yeah, no way is that a push. Gardiner had his hand on Cameron's arm - if there was force, it would have turned Cameron rather than caused him to move forward. But then I'm surprised anyone pays attention to Wallace at all.
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It’s actually embarrassing listening to KB and Wallace discuss this issue; it’s like they’ve only seen the incident once given it is completely obvious they haven’t seen the stills and various angles and here they are talking about the incident with some sort of authority.

And they’re supposed to be the experts.:rolleyes:
 

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