hawks midfield vs richmond midfield

[hawk life]

Ellis IS NOT miles ahead of Travis Tuck in midfield terms, at the moment.

Ellis has played predominantly out of defence for Hawthorn to this point and while I'm keen to see him take on a 'ruck roving' role and believe he would do well with it, he needs to improve his endurance and become accustomed to fulltime midfield work.

Unfortunately, with Ellis' limited preseason, this move may have to wait until 2010.

Barring injury, Tuck will be the first choice to replace Crawford in the rotation from Round 1 2009.

Come on are you serious! Ellis played most of last year and was in our premiership team. Tuck only played a hand full of games. He had injuries at the start of the year but played all of the second half of the year at box hill. Ellis played a fare bit in the midfield during games. He certainly didnt start in the square but was rotated through there. Towards the end of the year he spent more time there. I think Ellis kick our second goal in the grandfinal I dont thin he was playing in the backline then.

I do agree him missing out on pre season will put him back a few steps but overall we are talking about our midfield at full strength over richmonds not comparing to the start of the season. Ellis will get the job over tuck. Tuck will be great but needs to work on awareness got caught with the ball too many times. Ellis is going to be a gun!

I no Deledio ave 25 touches but he still spends too much time forward. You can still get possies in the forward line mate. Ask Okeefe.

 

[detox]

Its kinda funny the way we compare. Take carlton For example

You could have said

Judd - 9.5
Murphy - 7.5
Gibbs - 8
Stevens - 8

Vs

Mitchel - 9
Sewell - 8.5
Bateman - 8.5
Lewis - 8

The difference in this genius bigfooty style of rating might only be a few points, yet Round 22 last year saw Hawks midfield give the blues an absolute pantsing.

The Hawks midfield might not be flashy, but they hit harder then the rest of the comp, and rarely get beaten. Even though carlton were only " 1.5 points behind", they copped a bit of a bashing didn't they?

 

[Flibside]

this poll is crap and proves nothing, everyone has an opinion...results speak for themselves.

Too many fans here trying to self satisfy themselves that there mid/forward/backline/ruck/drafts are the best...

 

[Themi#9]

Richmond

 

[cs61]

Ellis IS NOT miles ahead of Travis Tuck in midfield terms, at the moment.

Ellis has played predominantly out of defence for Hawthorn to this point and while I'm keen to see him take on a 'ruck roving' role and believe he would do well with it, he needs to improve his endurance and become accustomed to fulltime midfield work.

Unfortunately, with Ellis' limited preseason, this move may have to wait until 2010.

Barring injury, Tuck will be the first choice to replace Crawford in the rotation from Round 1 2009.

Yeah Tuck is more of a pure mdifielder type.

Would have played a lot more if it was not for him getting injured. I actually thought Tuck was a bit ahead of Ellis before he went down, can play more inside. His game against Freo was up there with any Ellis has played except for his grand final.

Depth we have Tigers covered. Our midfield has more grunt, but Cousins is a massive person to add to the side, and of course increases the Tiger's promising rotation immediately (significantly too).

Hodge we play back, giving us a much more well balanced side. We could stick him in the midfield if winning the midfield honours on bigfooty meant anything, but it doesn't.

Hodge back makes us a much stronger side, don't really care who wins on paper, I think we still edge him without Hodge, but regardless, it doesn't work like that as game style and how they work together is so important, and our midfielders can beat anyone on their day.

 

[ToroHombre]

As much as it pains me to say this I reckon Hawks because they are more experienced and are probably harder than Richmond's.
Hopefully in the future Richmond's will eclipse Hawthorn's.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Hawthorn's obviously right now.

Should be a different story in a few years though, while Cousins will have probably retired, Lids, Cotchin and co. will be more experienced and you'd hope they are only going to get better, where as most of Hawthorn's midfield have probably reached their potential and will stop getting "better" until they hit their later years when they will probably drop a little.

So yes Hawthorn's is better now, but I'd be surprised if Deledio and Cotchin didn't overtake them in a few years.

 

[getthefooty]

Hawks by a fair bit at the moment.

 

[yardenlavy]

Hawthorn's obviously right now.

Should be a different story in a few years though, while Cousins will have probably retired, Lids, Cotchin and co. will be more experienced and you'd hope they are only going to get better, where as most of Hawthorn's midfield have probably reached their potential and will stop getting "better" until they hit their later years when they will probably drop a little.

So yes Hawthorn's is better now, but I'd be surprised if Deledio and Cotchin didn't overtake them in a few years.

um are mid doesn't have any improvement wtf

lewis 21, Ellis 21, hodge 24, Mitchell 26, sewell 24,

we have a lot of improvement lol look at there ages think before you post

 

[DannyJ]

Bateman Vs Cousins - Depends on Cousins. How do you rate him?

Sewell Vs Tuck- Sewell is quite comfortably the better player.

Lewis Vs Foley- Level.

Mitchell Vs Deledio- Mitchell Just.



R. Campbell Vs T. Simmonds- Level.

That's how I would rate the starting Mids. Tiges maybe have the higher potential in there sides, but we have the hardness and size on our sides o bash every midfield bar Geelong.

Depth is the main difference.
Hodge
Rioli
Osborne
Birchall
Ladson
Ellis
Tuck

I think we have seen more of the Tiges youngsters than the Hawks ones including the likes of Morton, Whitecross, and Muston added to our ones 'coming through'

I think the starting midfield are only a small portion of team sucess as 2006 saw Hawthorn have Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford (at a high level), Lewis with Everitt yet we won 9 games. It's the depth and how well they work together.

Answer: Well that depends on the question.

Who has the better current starting midfield? ANS Hawks.

Who has more potential from their respective starting midfield? ANS Richmond

Who has the better depth? ANS Hawks by a mile

Who has better future midfield? ANS Indeterminate

 

[getthefooty]

Comparing players doesn't achieve anything. I could say

Ablett > Tuck
Deledio > Corey
Bartel > Foley
Cousins > Selwood
Cotchin > Kelly

And say Richmond's midfield is better than Geelong's because we won 3-2.

Its all about how they work together as a team and how well they play their individual roles.

 

[Silvagnis]

Comparing players doesn't achieve anything. I could say

Ablett > Tuck
Deledio > Corey
Bartel > Foley
Cousins > Selwood
Cotchin > Kelly

And say Richmond's midfield is better than Geelong's because we won 3-2.

Its all about how they work together as a team and how well they play their individual roles.

Have you been hanging out with Cousins' mates?

Cameron Ling didn't even get a mention in your post as an AA player.

Cousins hasn't played for 18 months, yet you think he's better than Selwood who was nearly AA this year.

Corey was AA again this year and is still better than Deledio.

I can't help but think Tigers fan are building themselves up for a big fall with their ratings of their midfielders.

 

[getthefooty]

Have you been hanging out with Cousins' mates?

Cameron Ling didn't even get a mention in your post as an AA player.

Cousins hasn't played for 18 months, yet you think he's better than Selwood who was nearly AA this year.

Corey was AA again this year and is still better than Deledio.

I can't help but think Tigers fan are building themselves up for a big fall with their ratings of their midfielders.

I think you missed the point of my post completely - I specifically chose players I thought would give Richmond's midfield the best chance of winning to prove how pointless it is to do it.

 

[Rosstickle]

Bateman Vs Cousins - Depends on Cousins. How do you rate him?

Sewell Vs Tuck- Sewell is quite comfortably the better player.

Lewis Vs Foley- Level.

Mitchell Vs Deledio- Mitchell Just.

R. Campbell Vs T. Simmonds- Level.

I think you've underated Foley a bit but the rest seems about right.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

um are mid doesn't have any improvement wtf

lewis 21, Ellis 21, hodge 24, Mitchell 26, sewell 24,

we have a lot of improvement lol look at there ages think before you post

No.

You have a think before YOU post.

Midfielders usually taper off in getting better around the ages of 24-25, and generally play at the same level until they are at retirement age.

While Lewis and Ellis have development left, Hodge, Mitchell and Sewell won't get much better if at all from now until the end of their careers.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Deledio/Cotchin/Foley/Coughlan/Cousins

That is one bloody awesome midfield no matter who you compare it to.

 

[Bandwagon Jumping Hawk]

No.

You have a think before YOU post.

Midfielders usually taper off in getting better around the ages of 24-25, and generally play at the same level until they are at retirement age.

While Lewis and Ellis have development left, Hodge, Mitchell and Sewell won't get much better if at all from now until the end of their careers.

Fair call.

 

[happyhawkeye]

i think the best way is to rate them.

hawks:
mitchell: 8.5
sewell: 8
bateman: 8
lewis: 7.5

total: 32

tigers:
cousins: 9 (if he plays like i expect him to)
foley: 8
deledio: 7.5
tuck: 7

Its not just these players. Hawthorn has a better midfield and I believe the flag proves it although Richmonds is getting better. You do need to add Hodge as he does rotate through there at times. Also players such as ladson and young deseve a mention even osbourne or ellis can play through the midfield if required. The flexibility of the midfield and the fact that Hawthorn can keep their midfield fresh by rotating players from other positions in and out of it through their versatility makes it superior to Richmond presently.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

I think you've underated Foley a bit but the rest seems about right.

Possibly. Maybe Foley's true worth is somewhere in between where 'Danny J' rated him and where you rate him (see below).

FWIW, I think 'Danny J' is alot closer to the mark.

Foley is as good as the all the rest of your guys (bar Hodge).

 

[BluesMan]

Hawks have this one for now, tigers fans should admit that!

 

[The Cotch]

Premiership Midfield vs Richmond Midfield. Hawks by a mile.

 

[Crow2005]

I am a Cousins fan!! and rekon Richmond will do well this year but I gotta say this thread is stupid to think Richmond are better than Hawthorn because they have one man ...the Hawks as a whole just won a Premiership for Christs sake!!

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Hawks have this one for now, tigers fans should admit that!

I think the vast majority are admitting that.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

I think the vast majority are admitting that.

The poll is currently at 87-62...lol.

Even accounting for the inevitable backlash that follows when the OP is perceived as chasing some cheap pats on the back, those figures are ridiculous.

 

[DyerTribe17]

i know it sounds hard to believe but i actually believe that with the addition of cousins, the tiges midfield is suddenly looking better.

cousins>mitchell
deledio>sewell
foley>lewis
tuck<bateman
cotchin=young

but i do admit hawthorn's forward line is better.