News Hawthorn Racism Review - No player name speculation - opposition posters tread very carefully

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.

Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

I know a lot of people don't like him but reckon Sam McClure will have more detail on this.

He's very well connected when it comes to the hawks, he was miles ahead of everyone on the Clarko Mitchell handover.

He's been awfully quiet on twitter all day, will be interesting to see what he's got to say on Sports Day on 3aw coming up soon.

 

[Davo-27]

demanding an abortion is satanic, breaking up relationships is disgusting, my heart goes out to the victims of this disgusting treatment of players and their families.

 

[Tyler Hodges]

This one is very sensitive. Re-read the article a dozen times, have spent all day scrolling through all the indigenous played draft between 2010-2016 trying to link the dots. If true, the 3 of them are done, HOWEVER, you must must must let both sides of the story come out.

This is the savagery of modern day media and the court of public opinion. Clarkson and Fagan are done in the eyes of 90% of fans minds, no matter the outcome, this will forever be a dark stain on the hawks footy club, whether it’s true or not. That’s so insane considering we don’t even know the truth. My god this could be the darkest moment in AFL history, it could also be a complete fabrication. Give due course and the truth will be known.

Personally I believe the alleged victims names need to be revealed, a harsh reality if story is true, but a necessary one if this leads to the complete legacy annihilation of 2 coaches and a football club.

We now have the accusations, and the other side vehemently denying the claims, so everyone chill out and wait for more information to gather.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

be gentle. some of us will actually barrack for you on Saturday....

Must be a tough choice!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It's not black and white let's give Clarko a chance to respond before hanging him dry off the back of journalist and potional interview with a former drug addict.

If proven to be correct 100% he will be exited out of the game.

Did you read the entire article?

 

[macdaddio]

Must be a tough choice!

It’s only tough because Buddy is playing. We don’t want him to be a Swans premiership player

 

[Phil McCreviss]

You're speculating.

You're confrontational on another clubs board.

You'll likely be banned from here soon unless you want to have a reasonable conversation about it.

Silencing someone on the issue of racism is not ok. Acknowledge that this situation can be trauma inducing for our first nation's people.

Westcoast88 it's terrible and if proven true then we as a club should be ashamed. This goes way beyond football. Thanks for speaking up

 

[Roddy]

I kneejerked a little earlier, and I’m still shocked and deeply concerned. But yeah, we must hear all sides of this, and a full investigation must go ahead before any judgements are made.
Time for cool heads and rationality to take over.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Must be a tough choice!

Not as tough as you think. Now that buddy has gone on for another year the 9 year offer is now seen more as canny rather than outrageous and the anger moved more to the afl and its compo formula

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

It’s only tough because Buddy is playing. We don’t want him to be a Swans premiership player

Hey at least he got you a flag. We have Gary Rohan who was shit twice.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Most folks here seem to very quick to assume Clarko and Fagan are guilty of the acts they are alleged to have done. Quick frankly it seems out of character, so I am going to wait until this is investigated properly. If they have done what they are accused of then they should never work in the industry again, but there is something stinky about this report. It's timing, the way it fingers Clarko and Fages so completely. Who commissioned it and who ran it?

Agree. It has been disappointing the number of people jumping on here ready to execute people over faceless allegations. Can we just wait to see what comes from this before we start dividing the club? Like yourself, I question the timing of this, something just smells suspicious to me. I also wonder about Gil's comments about the "courage" of the people coming forward, even though they remain anonymous.

 

[cryptor]

Just imagine for a moment how you (at whatever stage of your career/life you'd like) would react to your employer in response to finding out you and your partner are pregnant was to sit you down and question if it was the best thing for your career...

That's so ****ed up. I'd be livid. And that's not even going to the level of the employer raising a suggestion about how to handle the pregnancy or relationships.

I'm not sure there is any "other side of the story" outside of "it's all complete lies and never happened" that justifies anyone from the club telling a player that a pregnancy isn't a good thing for their career. It's simply none of their business.

 

[Adrian Dodoro]

Just kind of clicked with me, the old anecdotes of Clarko randomly rocking up at a players house unannounced, or telling a player to meet him somewhere out of hours, or even buying and giving Grant Birchall a dog - are seen in a bit of a different light now, pretty intrusive as opposed to the loving nature they used to have.

I've heard a few things about staff getting quite involved in Birchall's life. I thought it was odd, but never thought it was too nefarious. But the news broken today coupled with the fact he is now Fagan's runner at the Lions makes it sound pretty ****ed.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Hey at least he got you a flag. We have Gary Rohan who was s**t twice.

And that would hurt more if he doesn’t Gary it up and lose the GF

 

[Adrian Dodoro]

On an ancillary issue - I hope this gives the club the opportunity to cancel payment of the final $450,000 to Clarkson (assuming the allegations are proven of course).

May come down to some legal fine print.

Clarkson should surrender the rest of his contract to the concerned parties, as a bare minimum jumping off point as far as recompense and reconcilliation efforts are concerned.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

This one is very sensitive. Re-read the article a dozen times, have spent all day scrolling through all the indigenous played draft between 2010-2016 trying to link the dots. If true, the 3 of them are done, HOWEVER, you must must must let both sides of the story come out.

This is the savagery of modern day media and the court of public opinion. Clarkson and Fagan are done in the eyes of 90% of fans minds, no matter the outcome, this will forever be a dark stain on the hawks footy club, whether it’s true or not. That’s so insane considering we don’t even know the truth. My god this could be the darkest moment in AFL history, it could also be a complete fabrication. Give due course and the truth will be known.

Personally I believe the alleged victims names need to be revealed, a harsh reality if story is true, but a necessary one if this leads to the complete legacy annihilation of 2 coaches and a football club.

We now have the accusations, and the other side vehemently denying the claims, so everyone chill out and wait for more information to gather.

I completely disagree that the identities of the victims need to be revealed.

What we are investigating here is a significant power imbalance that has led to some reports of really awful shit.

The power imbalance is what stops other victims (even at other clubs or industries or contexts) from coming forward. Going through it the first time is bad enough, going through it again for an investigation extremely traumatic. Going through it publicly - that's enough to push many people over the edge.

The reputation damage to Clarkson and Fagan is enormous. Their potential to earn income is going to be immediately impacted. If either or both of them are 100% innocent then they must be shocked. But legally they will be protected by their lawyers and PR people. They have vast incomes and support structures within the clubs they work at to ensure they receive due process and a fair hearing legally and commercially.

I think given the power imbalance here - the different rules for different people is actually fair.

Beyond that - I think the detail and seriousness of the claims is such that it would be extremely bizarre and weird for someone to make up and the people making these claims have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so - and a hell of a lot to lose - so protecting their identities ensure more accuracy and accountability, not less.

 

[Kanga Commando]

And that would hurt more if he doesn’t Gary it up and lose the GF

TBH
Buddy deserves a flag more than GR

sorry for the derail folks

 

[Crankyhawk]

TBH
Buddy deserves a flag more than GR

sorry for the derail folks

Felt like I needed a derail. I also recall someone on the trade thread had “great news tomorrow” or something similar

This clearly was off base

 

[Tyler Hodges]

I completely disagree that the identities of the victims need to be revealed.

What we are investigating here is a significant power imbalance that has led to some reports of really awful s**t.

The power imbalance is what stops other victims (even at other clubs or industries or contexts) from coming forward. Going through it the first time is bad enough, going through it again for an investigation extremely traumatic. Going through it publicly - that's enough to push many people over the edge.

The reputation damage to Clarkson and Fagan is enormous. Their potential to earn income is going to be immediately impacted. If either or both of them are 100% innocent then they must be shocked. But legally they will be protected by their lawyers and PR people. They have vast incomes and support structures within the clubs they work at to ensure they receive due process and a fair hearing legally and commercially.

I think given the power imbalance here - the different rules for different people is actually fair.

Beyond that - I think the detail and seriousness of the claims is such that it would be extremely bizarre and weird for someone to make up and the people making these claims have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so - and a hell of a lot to lose - so protecting their identities ensure more accuracy and accountability, not less.

This article could result in millions of dollars of litigation fees, the possible destruction of a 110 year old football club and will destroy the lives of two senior afl coaches. I didn’t say it’s nice, and if the allegations are true, it’s bloody harsh on the victims, but yes when the stakes are this big, names will come out.

 

[Rob R]

Emails? Jesus - who was stupid enough to put this s**t in writing?

I think the reference was that she had emails and texts she had sent afterwards referring to incidents not actual emails from the alleged perpetrators.

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[Strapping Young Lad]

Most folks here seem to very quick to assume Clarko and Fagan are guilty of the acts they are alleged to have done. Quick frankly it seems out of character, so I am going to wait until this is investigated properly. If they have done what they are accused of then they should never work in the industry again, but there is something stinky about this report. It's timing, the way it fingers Clarko and Fages so completely. Who commissioned it and who ran it?

I don't know how you could say that these sorts of things are out of character for Clarkson?

Every man and his dog has heard stories of Clarkson's overbearing nature, the way in which he involved in players lives off-field, not to mention stories of the players having their phones taken off them on interstate trips. From the moment he was moved on there was a sigh of relief from players and staff who were welcoming the removal of very intense character.

The only thing that stinks about this report is that we'll probably never get the clarity that we desire.

 

[Jables]

I will be leading the charge if this turns out to be true but it's so honestly bizarre, it's hard to just take at face value. I mean every player at the club would share the blame for this, there's no way they didn't share these details with anyone. In believing this I must think that leaders like Burgoyne were complicit, let alone everyone else.

If we don't find out more details I'm not ready to crucify anyone for this, sorry.

 

[Rob R]

That press conference didn’t fill me with significant confidence in our current leadership. Saying we are disappointed that people “feel” this way (in a prepared statement) falls short of an unreserved apology. Think we have failed twice in our comms today to fully acknowledge the hurt we have caused.

The club has to be careful given they are only allegations and an actual investigation hasn't started yet.

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[Brishawk]

This one is very sensitive. Re-read the article a dozen times, have spent all day scrolling through all the indigenous played draft between 2010-2016 trying to link the dots. If true, the 3 of them are done, HOWEVER, you must must must let both sides of the story come out.

This is the savagery of modern day media and the court of public opinion. Clarkson and Fagan are done in the eyes of 90% of fans minds, no matter the outcome, this will forever be a dark stain on the hawks footy club, whether it’s true or not. That’s so insane considering we don’t even know the truth. My god this could be the darkest moment in AFL history, it could also be a complete fabrication. Give due course and the truth will be known.

Personally I believe the alleged victims names need to be revealed, a harsh reality if story is true, but a necessary one if this leads to the complete legacy annihilation of 2 coaches and a football club.

We now have the accusations, and the other side vehemently denying the claims, so everyone chill out and wait for more information to gather.

The club, the afl, and those accused would know who the victims are. We don’t need to know who the victims are. It’s simply not something we need to know.