Hayes slide on Johnson

[bresker]

If Johnno's knees had connected with Hayes' head, spine or kidneys it could have been nasty for the latter.

It's rare for someone to do an ACL in front-on contact; most happen when the player is twisting, turning or landing.

 

[St DAC]

... in what can only be described as a dangerous act.

It can better be described as a shepherd. Just how soft do you want this game to get? Hayes collected Johnson below the shoulders and above the knee with the ball within 5 metres; absolutely within the rules.

In a contact sport injuries will occur. No-one wishes them on any player, but they happen. In this case Johnson was not injured, which is as you would want it.

 

[The Big League]

That sort of act is not "banned" in any sport i know of. In the world game you are not aloud to slide in feet first and miss the ball. Hayes did nothing of the sort.
He went in shoulder first, im not sure which other codes you could be refering too.
Please explain...

 

[boydsno1]

The incedent was very dangerous. Hayes took his eyes off the ball and focused on johnson and went straight for his legs below the kness. Techniclly it should be a trip and when i saw it i though johnno was gone. Thing that was annoying the most was that dick robert praising it. Nothing wrong with sheparding a player but when one player is on his feet then the other dives in low at his legs with no intention to go for the ball then thats when it could turn into a dirty and dangerous tactic. Johnson was lucky. The next person may not be.

Would the saint fans saying nothing in it be saying the same if it was done to saint nick and he did an acl?

 

[boydsno1]

It can better be described as a shepherd. Just how soft do you want this game to get? Hayes collected Johnson below the shoulders and above the knee with the ball within 5 metres; absolutely within the rules.

In a contact sport injuries will occur. No-one wishes them on any player, but they happen. In this case Johnson was not injured, which is as you would want it.

Above the knee's? He got johnon knee hight and below. Hence he had his legs taken from under him.

 

[krusden]

I agree that it was a dangerous act by Hayes. Obviously not illegal but when it happened I was concerned that Johnson might have done a knee/broken leg.

I thought it was silly by lenny who could have copped a boot to the head and had serious injury.

I didn't think it was reckless and its the same as two players sliding in head first for the ball.

If anything it risked injury to Lenny rather than Johnno

 

[boydsno1]

What? i think johnno was clearly the one more at risk. Had his leg got caught under or the bump been a few cm's lower then that would have been johnno's season and possibly career over.

 

[we57st]

I remember the incident and remember thinking at the time that it was lucky no one was injured out of that contest, definitely could have taken out Johnson's knee.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Hayes is a champ these are the things you have to do to win a flag. Come grand final day if he can cork ablett or better still break his f'n leg then fantastic we will go further in that game.

it is well within the rules he going for the ball yet he is soo good he can smash players while doing it. kirk was the same in 2005... did him and the swans well.

GO SAINTS

I get banned for a tongue in cheek comment that's taken seriously on a thread that SHOULD be in Bay 13 and THIS CRAP is allowed on the site.

Shin Splints, **** off.

Support someone else, you disgusting pig of a supporter - and please everyone, undertsnad that this prick does NOT represent our footy club.

Absolute tool!

 

[krusden]

What? i think johnno was clearly the one more at risk. Had his leg got caught under or the bump been a few cm's lower then that would have been johnno's season and possibly career over.

and had lenny gone in head first he could have had a boot to the face.

The point i guess i am trying to make is that this is a relatively isolated incident that cannot be outlawed.

Personally as a sainter i'd prefer to see lenny not try it again lest he copped a boot to the face.

As a football supporter i'd prefer not to see it again in general lest a champion like johnno or a young bloke snapped a leg/knee.

 

[coasting]

He went too low and it was tripping IMO. Is that still a reportable offense? I don't know but it should have been at least a free kick.

 

[St DAC]

Support someone else, you disgusting pig of a supporter - and please everyone, undertsnad that this prick does NOT represent our footy club.

Absolute tool!

He's actually a Bulldogs supporter; or at least was. For some reason he's jumped on our bandwagon, and off theirs. I've gotta agree that he seems a bit feral ...

 

[bresker]

Yeah, ShinSplints used to post on our board!

 

[jack23]

I thought lenny showed a lot of guts going for that ball maybe if johnno didnt run around like a robot he might have done the same thing, and to that pie supporter bet you would love one of your wimps going as hard

 

[LiterallyNobody]

He's actually a Bulldogs supporter; or at least was. For some reason he's jumped on our bandwagon, and off theirs. I've gotta agree that he seems a bit feral ...

There used to be this absolute slimeball on Bay 13 (what? Only one?!) named Rickjames who once started a thread about how positievly delighted he was to see matt Maguire break his leg.

Some supporters absolutely disgust me; if Shin Splints actually was a St Kilda supporter, than i would happily say he disgusts me too.

 

[JeffDunne]

He went too low and it was tripping IMO. Is that still a reportable offense? I don't know but it should have been at least a free kick.

My god. Could you be any more ignorant or precious?

I thought the OP and some of the contributions in this thread were close to the most ignorant comments I've seen on football for a long time, but your post takes the cake.

"He went too low . . . " - seriously, give yourself an uppercut. That's just embarrassing from someone claiming to know anything about the game.

 

[Violent Stool]

I can't remember the incident but I've never looked at Hayes as a dirty player.

He's definately not a 'dirty' player.

But he'd kill you if it came down to it. And I don't think he'd flinch whilst thinking about it.

Fierce, aggressive competitor.

That's what makes him the most important player in the comp at the moment.

 

[OldStyle2007]

That sort of act is not "banned" in any sport i know of. In the world game you are not aloud to slide in feet first and miss the ball. Hayes did nothing of the sort.
He went in shoulder first, im not sure which other codes you could be refering too.
Please explain...

Sure is a rule against it in another sport - in the NFL you are not allowed to dive at another players legs.

New rule called the Brady rule is specifically to protect QBs
http://www.boston.com/sports/footba.../brady_rule_steps_taken_to_protect_qbs_knees/

And I think there has always been a rule that you can't dive at someones knees in general play

 

[coasting]

My god. Could you be any more ignorant or precious?

I thought the OP and some of the contributions in this thread were close to the most ignorant comments I've seen on football for a long time, but your post takes the cake.

"He went too low . . . " - seriously, give yourself an uppercut. That's just embarrassing from someone claiming to know anything about the game.

LOL JeffDunce chimes in again pretending to be all-knowing and condescending. Thanks for the update JeffDunce but your actions are typical of a Parrot-like troll - quoting a small part of someone's post and taking it out of context. Whether you like it or not, tripping is a free kick. I never said the incident should be reported for tripping - just I didn't know how tripping works as a reportable offense. Perhaps you can enlighten us with your grand knowledge.

 

[JeffDunne]

Sure is a rule against it in another sport - in the NFL you are not allowed to dive at another players legs.

New rule called the Brady rule is specifically to protect QBs
http://www.boston.com/sports/footba.../brady_rule_steps_taken_to_protect_qbs_knees/

And I think there has always been a rule that you can't dive at someones knees in general play

What nonsense. How the f*** can you compare rules specifically designed to protect QB's with general rules regarding contact? Even within the NFL itself you cannot compare what you can do to a QB vs what you can do in all other situations.

Try telling any RB that's illegal to take out their legs.

 

[JeffDunne]

LOL JeffDunce chimes in again pretending to be all-knowing and condescending. Thanks for the update JeffDunce but your actions are typical of a Parrot-like troll - quoting a small part of someone's post and taking it out of context. Whether you like it or not, tripping is a free kick. I never said the incident should be reported for tripping - just I didn't know how tripping works as a reportable offense. Perhaps you can enlighten us with your grand knowledge.

Firstly, who is claiming to be all knowing? I'm simply suggesting you don't understand one of the game's basic rules if you think what Lenny did was tripping.

 

[pieman1980]

I've only seen the in incedent once and from memory it looked like a trip. Not reportable but a free kick. I remember alwyn davey sheparding Nick Maxwell the 2nd time we played them in the manner. It looks weird because we are not used to seeing players getting their legs taken from under them. Not something I would like to come part of our game.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

But what about the 12 month injuries that are risked by Lenny Hayes on Brad Johnson?? Hayes wasn't going for the ball. He was aiming at BJ's legs.

Get a clue brother.

Hayes reached the ball, before Johnson reached him. Try again.

 

[saj_21]

Playing AFL is a risk to all players, some take more than others. Hayes' actions on Saturday was nothing sure of courage at its best, his intention was to get his body between the ball and brad johnson, not to physically hurt Johnson.

No rule should be made to outlaw this type of action. One thing i would like to see is a interpretation whereby a player who intiates head high contact, i.e. player A dives head first into player B's shins, it should be play on much in the manner when players duck their head into a on coming tackler.

 

[AFaiL]

Yes, thank God someone has finally said it. I thought I was the only one

You have freaks like Tim Lane carrying on any time a player goes near someones neck or above but there is not even the slightest threat of injury.

But what about the 12 month injuries that are risked by Lenny Hayes on Brad Johnson?? Hayes wasn't going for the ball. He was aiming at BJ's legs.

Josh Hunt was put out of action for 12 months with a knee by a Medhurst bump in the NAB cup.... No-one said anything....

My only point is that there is a ridiculous response to contact above the shoulder. But guys can get taken out below the hips, suffer a serious 12 month injury, and people say about the person who is enforcing the injury "Oh, how Courageous"... When all he's done is recklessly hurt another player in a contest

I'd like to see less tiggy touchwood suspensions for jumper punches etc... and maybe some suspensions for ridiculously charging into a contest and writing someone off for a year of football

While you've gone OTT a bit, you're not far off the money

Goddard did his knee when someone slid across the ground

In NFL, fi you slide across someones knee's, you are given a penalty against

while it isnt a dog act like punching someone in the face, it's courage mixed with a bit of stupiditity... but with all the bloody rules, whats a player to do? they gotta get the ball, and you are pretty much only elft with sliding in at ground level these days

Hayes went past the ball and at Johnson's legs. No danger to Hayes but plenty to Johnson. Why not stay on his feet and meet Johnson body on body ? Going low isn't courageous.

Who would be the most courgaeous player from Unlisted?

Oh, and massive lol @ you doubitng Hayes' courage for one second. Easily one of the toughest and most fearless guys in the comp.

Johnson on the other hand..........