Heavier in 2011

[mattys123]

Call it a 'hunch'.

Our forward line is going to function a little differently this year as a result of:

- Rule changes
- Needing to change up the game plan
- Players being brought through the side/return from injury

Dawes and Cloke will be playing as more traditional 'old school' full forward and centre half forwards this year.

I'm not saying they won't run up the ground at all. But they'll be anchored inside 50 a lot more this year.

Watch.

I'd say you are right, in fact it happened more so towards the end of 2010 too, where Cloke and Dawes, while still "rotating" their respective positions at CHF and Full Forward during a match, weren't pushing as far up the ground as what they had in the past.

2 reasons why this happened, and will happen again, plus a new reason.

1. Leigh Brown and Brent MaCaffer, became so good in becoming that link player between the backs and the forwards, that Cloke and Dawes didn't have to venture far past 50 at all.

2. Darren Jolly; Because we got our hands on the ball more often then not, or at least stopped clean clearances for the opposition, the amount of ball that came straight our of the centre, or from boundary clearances did not require Cloke or Dawes to move outside 50.

3. Chris Tarrant; I can see Taz being used, especially in games where he has no defensive matchup, as that roaming half forward in the area between the 50m line and the wing, also meaning Cloke and Dawes can stay "back" more often then not.

Cloke and Dawes might be putting on more weight just because Mick and the coaching team see it as important for them to easily out "body" their opponents in one on one situations inside 50, although as I mentioned before, any weight they put on now will probably be almost completely lost by the time the finals come around, as during the season weight work is at a minimum as recovery is the most important aspect of training in season.

 

[KissStephanie]

Does anyone wonder if this willingness to prove that there is no premiership hangover at Collingwood, causes problems of it's own?

No. I don't think the players will be allowed to try too hard to prove themselves.

You wouldn't want to see excess weight put on swifter running types, or big men become so bulky they lose their mobility.

All players follow a regimen and programme that has been specifically set up for each player, so I don't think there is any danger of that.

They do seem hungry though.

If Collingwood don't go back-to-back this year, I'm quite confident that it won't be because of complacency or a premiership hangover.

 

[Ed D]

All players go into the season a little heavier. They spend all pre-season trying to bulk up and do stacks of gym etc.

Then once the season starts, they lose weight. The intensity of playing competitively makes players lose a few kilos in just 1 game.

Plus, I doubt players can continue the same level of gym work as you can't go into games with your muscles all torn and tired.

All players look huge at the beginning of the year, then by the end they have toned down a bit.

That's right. Players during the season need to recover, do training drills, go to meetings, prepare for games, then play the game. They don't have the time/energy to be hitting the gym or eating big to keep all the bulk on like they do right now.

 

[DaVe86]

That's right. Players during the season need to recover, do training drills, go to meetings, prepare for games, then play the game. They don't have the time/energy to be hitting the gym or eating big to keep all the bulk on like they do right now.

exactly...not to mention the pain you get after you do gym in your body from your muscles tearing. You can't go into physical games of football with that pain. And then you are not going to hit the gym hard following a game because your body is already in so much trauma and you need to recover.

So the bulk of the gym work is going to happen pre-season. The players would aim to reach their playing weight...then put on a bit of bulk which is most likely going to be lost in the season proper.

 

[PieBeast]

hmm....

 

[soreplums]

hmm....

look at his lower leg. I bet he sprayed this kick.

 

[betchsta]

Mick Mcguane is a little heavier these days i hear.

 

[StillWaiting5689]

look at his lower leg. I bet he sprayed this kick.

Cloke shanking a kick? Unheard of...

 

[StillWaiting5689]

If your key forwards are big and powerful and can take a contested grab (assuming good delivery), then they don't need to be that fit since they should theoretically never need to leave the forward 50 arc.

Well at least until the opposition defence get the ball.

As others have said I think the big guys will trim down a bit the closer we get to the season and then throughout the season as cardio becomes more of a focus. Makes sense that they are a bit bigger considering that this would be the main time for them to hit the weights pretty hard, Cloke must be a fair beefcake at 108.

 

[rose jam]

All players go into the season a little heavier. They spend all pre-season trying to bulk up and do stacks of gym etc.

Then once the season starts, they lose weight. The intensity of playing competitively makes players lose a few kilos in just 1 game.
.

The reasons for weight drop during a season is the reduction in heavy weight training a reduced calorie intake to control weight due to less overall exercise as they go into more recovery mode than constant calorie burn.

 

[soreplums]

Well at least until the opposition defence get the ball.

As others have said I think the big guys will trim down a bit the closer we get to the season and then throughout the season as cardio becomes more of a focus. Makes sense that they are a bit bigger considering that this would be the main time for them to hit the weights pretty hard, Cloke must be a fair beefcake at 108.

That photo makes him look like he has a bit of a gut

 

[StillWaiting5689]

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That photo makes him look like he has a bit of a gut

haha, maybe he is carrying a bit of holiday weight maybe he isn't. You might be being a tad harsh considering he is mid kick so his body may not be at the best angle to make such judgements.

 

[PieEyedLad]

Even Daisy, who's not renowned for his bulk is clearly spending more time in the gym..

And Dawes, he's been a man mountain ever since he walked into the club, but my god, he's still going...

 

[soreplums]

Saw Daisy walking down the street last week. He looks like his body is getting harder so he can take a few knocks, but just has that build (and probably always will) that will still get pushed off the ball.

Cloke just looks like there still is a bit of puppy gut at the bottom of his jumper. His kicking action won't make any difference as he is virtually upright. He looked a lot leaner at the end of 2009 in that area. Might just be the jumper though

 

[Pera]

Cloke and Dawes have always been built like a brick shizen. They'll be fine, looking to much into it fella's!

 

[Thommo 42]

Dawes and Reid are on an endless (and ultimately fruitless) quest to have guns like Tarrant.

Unfortunately for them, he has copyright on those cannons!

here is Taz after a pre-season gym session

 

[PieNSauce]

Does anyone wonder if this willingness to prove that there is no premiership hangover at Collingwood, causes problems of it's own?

You wouldn't want to see excess weight put on swifter running types, or big men become so bulky they lose their mobility.

They do seem hungry though.

ha ha. No pun intended of course

 

[mysainters]

ha ha. No pun intended of course

No not at all

 

[Subtemperate]

I think that might just be the extra weight provided by metal hanging from their necks...

 

[The Big Steele]

Poor Travis Cloke.

I can see he will be the butt of jokes all year. As I remember last year, there weren't many defenders who could keep up with him or his engine. I'll take that and the most contested marks in the AFL as prime example that he will be fit and firing come round 1. Plus if anyone needs strength, it is Travis as he is continually held onto in marking duels and making space for our smaller players by using his body as a battering ram to bloke defenders.

As for his kicking style in the photo, it is actually good. The more he uses the left hand to guide the ball onto the left foot, the straighter it will go. Part of Travis's problem is he is right handed and left footed, so he often uses the right hand to guide the ball onto the boot. Hence it sprays. That particular kicking style with the left hand guiding the ball, is something which Anthony Rocca has been working with him. Time will tell this season.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Dawes and Reid are on an endless (and ultimately fruitless) quest to have guns like Tarrant.

Unfortunately for them, he has copyright on those cannons!

here is Taz after a pre-season gym session

That's what a steady diet of pool floaties will do to you.

 

[Lockyer24]

 

[soreplums]

the black just makes him look slimmer

 

[daics_35]

 

[The Big Steele]

Dad's pies are in Queensland. Best pies in the World.

Looks like Fev might have found where their stores are.