Fizzler
TAKE BACK PAFC
- Dec 26, 2013
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If I can get my hands on a media guide next season I’ll be sure to help out.
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There is progress
http://www.TheVFAProject.org
1897-1954 player data is nearly complete
1955+ player data is about 50% complete (only goal kickers and best and fairest)
The website has a spreadsheet indicating coverage of player data.
Ladders are still being automatically generated from games and may contain errors where games were annulled. Fixing this is on the to-do list.
http://www.thevfaproject.org/TheVFAProject/pages/Crowds.php
http://www.thevfaproject.org/TheVFAProject/pages/CrowdsHighest.php
http://www.thevfaproject.org/TheVFAProject/pages/StatsHighScorebyDecade.php
There are now 19000 players in the database
Of these over 3500 played in the VFL
There are over 320,000 player to game references.
If the data is 99% correct then there are 3200+ errors
Thanks to WhiteHartLane23, Wal Williams and John Ficara
WhiteHartLane23 supplied more data for 1900-1902 seasons - This must have been an amazing amount of work, as these early seasons are very hard to work with.
Wal Williams has supplied player databases for all vfa clubs, I have been cross checking against these.
John Ficara has supplied resources I did not know existed and his copies of club annual reports and VFA records have been of much use.
If anyone has the quarter by Quarter scores and goalkickers for Sunshines games in the 1989 season. I would like to add them to the database.
There should an SANFL database as well.
I understood Essendon became a VFA senior team in 1878.
At the AGM they decided to play as a senior club. (Weekly Times April 06 1878 p5 & Weekly Times April 10 p6)
19-May | Vic Railways |
24-May | v Albian (Ballarat) |
26-May | v Standard (25) |
2-Jun | v Williamstown |
9/06/1877 | Albert Park |
16/06/1877 | v StKilda |
30-Jun | v South Melbourne |
7-Jul | Vic Railways |
14-Jul | v West Melbourne |
21-Jul | v Northcote |
28/07/1877 | v StKilda |
4/08/1877 | v Melbourne |
18-Aug | v Hawthorn |
25-Aug | v West Melbourne |
8-Sep | v Northcote |
15/09/1877 | v Carlton |
22-Sep | v South Melbourne |
25/05/1891 | 5 | Regular Season | Essendon v South Melbourne | 36,185 |
4/09/1886 | 20 | Regular Season | South Melbourne v Geelong | 34,121 |
9/06/1945 | 9 | Regular Season | Coburg v Williamstown | 21,000 |
19/04/1964 | 1 | Regular Season | Sandringham v Port Melbourne | 18,000 |
As a VFA supporter of 70+ years I would like to say a very big thank you to you for putting in the time and hours doing this very much appreciated work.All power to you.
I also note that the match below had 34,121 at the Lake Oval That surely would have to be one the biggest VFA H&A crowds ever in the VFA?SouthMelbourne seemed to get same very big crowds in the era.
4/09/1886 20 Regular Season South Melbourne v Geelong 34,121
GameTitle | Attendance | GroundNameAtTime | SeasonID | GameCode |
---|---|---|---|---|
Essendon v South Melbourne | 36185 | East Melbourne Cricket Ground | VFA1891 | VFA1891-R05-G01 |
Essendon v South Melbourne | 34504 | East Melbourne Cricket Ground | VFA1890 | VFA1890-R04-G02 |
South Melbourne v Geelong | 34121 | South Melbourne Cricket Ground | VFA1886 | VFA1886-R20-G07 |
Carlton v South Melbourne | 32595 | Melbourne Cricket Ground | VFA1890 | VFA1890-R14-G01 |
South Melbourne v Essendon | 31672 | South Melbourne Cricket Ground | VFA1889 | VFA1889-R16-G05 |
Carlton v South Melbourne | 30000 | Melbourne Cricket Ground | VFA1888 | VFA1888-R12-G01 |
South Melbourne v Carlton | 30000 | South Melbourne Cricket Ground | VFA1889 | VFA1889-R20-G03 |
The Australasian has a ladder for 1877 of junior teams that has Essendon in it. They finished second behind West Melbourne.
There is also a ladder of senior teams comprising of Carlton, Melbourne, Hotham, Albert Park and St.Kilda.
Probably October 13 edition as there was Peter Pindar's season review.
Fits in with the April AGM of 1878, a junior team in 1877 which became a senior team in 1878
Crowds at the footy dropped off dramatically 1892 onwards due to the severe economic crisis in Australia. Victoria was hit the hardest. Many people including a lot of VFA footballers went West to the Kalgoorlie Gold Fields hoping to strike it lucky.
Thanks - A lot of people have contributed to the effort.
Attendance data is incomplete..but you are right, third biggest. Crowds appear to drop off in the 1890s...
GameTitle Attendance GroundNameAtTime SeasonID GameCode Essendon v South Melbourne 36185East Melbourne Cricket Ground VFA1891 VFA1891-R05-G01 Essendon v South Melbourne 34504East Melbourne Cricket Ground VFA1890 VFA1890-R04-G02 South Melbourne v Geelong 34121South Melbourne Cricket Ground VFA1886 VFA1886-R20-G07 Carlton v South Melbourne 32595Melbourne Cricket Ground VFA1890 VFA1890-R14-G01 South Melbourne v Essendon 31672South Melbourne Cricket Ground VFA1889 VFA1889-R16-G05 Carlton v South Melbourne 30000Melbourne Cricket Ground VFA1888 VFA1888-R12-G01 South Melbourne v Carlton 30000South Melbourne Cricket Ground VFA1889 VFA1889-R20-G03
OK.....I am sure there are going to be a few different views, but here is a starting point for the difference between what is a 'Senior Game', a 'Premiership Game' or a 'VFA game'. There terms are often used to mean the same thing, especially in the AFL era where 'Elite Competition' is used more often. But in the 1870's there are big differences "to me" for these terms.
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Oops they were night games within the Senior premiership* Williamstown v Yarraville 1957 - do you have any more information about this competition? I don't remember seeing anything about a night premiership during my recent research.
Sat 16 Apr 1960 VFA Oakleigh v Dandenong was most likely played at Camberwell (to be confirmed)
Oakleigh played all their matches in 1960 at the Camberwell Sports Ground while their home ground was being resurfaced.
They also won the VFA premiership in 1960 beating Sandringham easily.
Definitely the one thing I would contribute to.A senior football Database for the 20th Century