Toast Henderson - Found his position

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Blue since 72 said:
We've had four consistent passengers this year in Hendo, Tuohy, Walker and Garlett.

Regardless of the reasons why, this has hurt us in terms of games lost Can only imagine where we might be if this foursome had been playing at the top of their respective games.
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Nah can't have Hendo & Walker in the same category as Tuohy & Garlett.

Hendo is in poor form now - but go back and watch rd 5, rd 6, rd 2 etc. Walker was good on friday & has been good in other games.

Tuohy & Garlett have each been good for 1 half each this year (at most).
 
Blue since 72 said:
We've had four consistent passengers this year in Hendo, Tuohy, Walker and Garlett.
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You left out Waite. Personally I think he's cooked.

After this week we really must start promoting candidates and see who floats or sinks.
 
etsal1 said:
Nah can't have Hendo & Walker in the same category as Tuohy & Garlett.

Hendo is in poor form now - but go back and watch rd 5, rd 6, rd 2 etc. Walker was good on friday & has been good in other games.

Tuohy & Garlett have each been good for 1 half each this year (at most).
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Don't know about rnd 2, was he playing back because he had zero goals. Give you rnd 5 but then all the boys were up and about after the humiliation of the week before and the soul searching, plus it was the bulldogs who don't have a great defensive unit, kicked two in rnd 6.

Walker provided some good run on Friday night but really he's been poor all year, especially defensively.
 

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Blue since 72 said:
Don't know about rnd 2, was he playing back because he had zero goals. Give you rnd 5 but then all the boys were up and about after the humiliation of the week before and the soul searching, plus it was the bulldogs who don't have a great defensive unit, kicked two in rnd 6.

Walker provided some good run on Friday night but really he's been poor all year, especially defensively.
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Not saying they've been good. But no way have they been in the same category as Tuohy, Garlett & even Waite.

Haven't seen Lachie or Walker pull out of a contest or not go 100% despite both carrying injury. They're giving their all.
 
etsal1 said:
Not saying they've been good. But no way have they been in the same category as Tuohy, Garlett & even Waite.

Haven't seen Lachie or Walker pull out of a contest or not go 100% despite both carrying injury. They're giving their all.
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My point wasn't really in relation to that. I'm sure they've been giving their all injuries withstanding, and Tuohy and Walker most likely have too but the all they've been giving is nowhere near their best.

Waite has been flakey this year and Garlett has always been worried about contact and tbh I would have no problem if he was quietly moved on.

Given we've all seen their best none of them have played near it consistently this year, it's just a fact. Not saying there aren't valid reasons for why at least some of them are down but they've all definitely been passengers in more games than not.

Regardless of coaches putting on the spin and saying they only select guys who can play a full game the reality is every coach would be playing guys that they would rather not.

Really just highlights our list needs further tweeking in terms of depth across the board.

Notwithstanding the above I really cannot figure out why Garlett, Tuohy and Walker haven't been dropped for an extended period or in Walker's case at least moved forward for a change of scenery.

At least Hendo and Waite still require a decent defender's time. As far as I'm concerned we have players who can cover at least two of the other three.
 
The problem we face is that Jamison and Rowe aren't forwards either and at the moment neither is Watson. Henderson is a better forward than these guys and that's why he's playing there, not because Henderson is a good forward. Waite used to be a very good forward be he looks about finished.

What we are doing at the moment is right, we have to line up how we are lining up. In an ideal world, in a good team, Henderson is at CHB because as a forward he's a makeshift player where as as a CHB he's one of the best in the league. That's what he's doing at the moment, filling a hole, having the occasional good game and doing it because Rowe can fill a hole at CHB.

If you add a good tall forward or two to Carlton, Henderson will be back down back and Rowe back into the reserves so fast it will make your head spin.

What I feel we should be doing is playing Watson and Giles up forward in the VFL and trying to gain something there because we don't need tall backmen, we need tall forwards. Both these fellas are no use to us as backmen at the moment unless there are injuries.
 
I don't know... I think Hendo is at very least a pretty good CHF when he has his full running power and able to work up the ground. I still remember him last year taking constant lead up marks, turning his man inside out and delivering lace out passes to someone in the F50 and if he wasn't doing that, he could kick goals himself, even some pretty handy snaps for a man his size.

But he's not a gorilla type forward or a total pack crasher. He's a smart footballer with exquisite skills for his size and (when fit) can use his running power to great advantage. But he's nowhere near his best at the moment. Just sadly we have little options to cover him.
 
gbatman said:
The problem we face is that Jamison and Rowe aren't forwards either and at the moment neither is Watson. Henderson is a better forward than these guys and that's why he's playing there, not because Henderson is a good forward. Waite used to be a very good forward be he looks about finished.

What we are doing at the moment is right, we have to line up how we are lining up. In an ideal world, in a good team, Henderson is at CHB because as a forward he's a makeshift player where as as a CHB he's one of the best in the league. That's what he's doing at the moment, filling a hole, having the occasional good game and doing it because Rowe can fill a hole at CHB.

If you add a good tall forward or two to Carlton, Henderson will be back down back and Rowe back into the reserves so fast it will make your head spin.

What I feel we should be doing is playing Watson and Giles up forward in the VFL and trying to gain something there because we don't need tall backmen, we need tall forwards. Both these fellas are no use to us as backmen at the moment unless there are injuries.
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Did Mick tell you that?
 
BALKAN said:
Hendo's missing a partner up forward. He can't command the forward 50 like a Hawkins or Cloke can. If Waite was in better form, Hendo would be too.
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Bingo.

Waite is more out of form than Hendo is at present. Both are confidence players, but a couple of times on Friday Hendo had the ball in space, wheel around, try to drill it and it gets smothered by his opposite.

Henderson is one of those players that has to get his hands on the ball early, would nearly play him as a KP mid in the first 5 minutes. Pagan used to do it with McKernan M1 at North, forced him into the play early to get his confidence going.
 
Hendo is definitely better as the lead up forward but he is being forced to play the deep forward role and having to wrestle with the defenders. Levi is doing his job up the ground but he would be handy to just plonk in the goal square so Hendo can just be around the 50m arc.
 
Henderson drops a lot of marks, always has, but he usually he also holds plenty as well and no one really notices (from reactions here it looks like no one has ever noticed). At the moment he's dropping most of them.

This has nothing to do with a lack of tall forward partners which he has two of. For the record Henderson is playing up around the 50m arc. This has next to nothing to do with fitness, maybe perhaps only because he's not getting out in space as much as usual and racking up a few uncontested marks. He's still getting his hands on the ball a lot and getting to the right places but the footy is going through his hands far too much.

He is out of form a bit as well, he doesn't usually drop as many marks as he has been this season. End of the day all the gun forwards have one thing in common and that is their hands. Henderson does not have hands any where near as good as Waite, Casboult, Cloke, The Riewoldts, Franklin, Walker, Hawkins, Schulz and Roughead. This is what separates the top from the rest and Hendo as a forward will always be the rest. Hands are one thing you rarely ever see improve in a player, players either have strong hands or they don't.

Being a strong mark as a defender is not as crucial as being a strong mark as a forward. For a defender he has good hands.
 
AlecDuncan said:
You left out Waite. Personally I think he's cooked.

After this week we really must start promoting candidates and see who floats or sinks.
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Play Giles as the third tall for the rest of the year behind Henderson and Casboult. Leave Waite as a backup for the rest of the year.

If Waite continues on next year, he is going to be about as relevant as Jono Brown... and he is stopping someone from getting games and developing into his replacement.
 

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Dramoth said:
Play Giles as the third tall for the rest of the year behind Henderson and Casboult. Leave Waite as a backup for the rest of the year.

If Waite continues on next year, he is going to be about as relevant as Jono Brown... and he is stopping someone from getting games and developing into his replacement.
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Pretty sure Giles is injured!
 
Dramoth said:
If Waite continues on next year, he is going to be about as relevant as Jono Brown... and he is stopping someone from getting games and developing into his replacement.
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If Waite can't run (and right now he's a fencepost), he's not much use to us. I'd rather McInness in the forward line.
 
Dramoth said:
Play Giles as the third tall for the rest of the year behind Henderson and Casboult. Leave Waite as a backup for the rest of the year.

If Waite continues on next year, he is going to be about as relevant as Jono Brown... and he is stopping someone from getting games and developing into his replacement.
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I think Giles is injured currently, also think he has played all year in defence in the VFL, can't confirm that though, I don't mind seeing young players get a go in the seniors but I think that maybe up forward in the VFL for a bit may be the go. Perhaps if you were going to promote a project tall forward Watson would be the go, played a bit of senior footy and is a bit older, seems to be finding a bit of it as a defender as well so there is some fitness and form there. I thought Watson showed a bit up forward at one time last year, has a useful kick.
 
why, oh why, is watson still not playing? i realise the form of rowe and jamison but he aint going to wait around forever
 

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