Hobart Kangaroos?

[ChrisFooty]

I think the tasmanian hawks have collected that market. I found Leigh Matthews comments about the kangaroos expanding attempting on the gold coast very interesting. He said gold coast people would be gullable to think the kangaroos as a gold coast team (i totally agree)

If the Kangaroos were going to have an assualt on the tasmanian market, they should of been playing games there a long time ago now (i feel it's a little too late)

 

[Father Jack]

I found it amusing at the time that the Kangaroos chose Sydney while Tassie was sitting there. good on the Hawks, and Tasmania is better off with them than the Kangaroos anyway.

 

[goalpie]

Launceston is not as bad as it seems once you are gone, oddly enough.

You can come and perve on all the old greys.

 

[The Zebra]

Here is an idea - how about the Roos stay in Melbourne?
Yep, I like it.

Here's the plan:

• We go to the Gold Coast for the next three years - give the AFL a vehicle to showcase our code to a market that is clearly not ready for it's own team (remember, the Brisbane Lions lost $1 Million last year..and they are in the capital, have been up there for years are have just come off a triple premiership),
  
• We will get paid very well for playing our games up there which will help fund our Arden Street redevelopment
  
• In the meantime, we further sharpen our business practices in Melbourne (wait for this years financials - North will announce over $1 Million profit), build on our membership numbers and outside income streams, then at the end of the three years if the AFL thinks the GC is ready for a team (which it won't be) - they can start up their own team and leave us the **** alone.

And in the meantime - you knobs can all worry about your own little inferior clubs/corporations.

 

[PHX]

But seriously, isn't the reason they play in Launceston because the majority of the population of Tassie live closer to there than Hobart? I have had quite a few Tasmanians say that to me.

Yup that is a reason. So its closer for all Tasmanians, its responsible but poor old Hobartians cant handle a drive and think all should be theirs.

I'm glad it's there as all of Tasmania's major population centres can drive there in approx. 2 hours.

Well done Hawks and Tas Government for making it fair for all.

 

[RememberMe]

You're missing the point, so I will attempt to make it, allbeit in a long and drawn out way, now.

Tasmania has AFL being played in it. The government decided it would be fun to throw 15 million at the Hawks to play a handful of games in Launceston.

Local football in Tasmania is dying a slow and painful death. That said, the participation rate is still higher per capita than any state/territory in Australia. Tasmania is a true AFL heartland...

Tasmanians are also fanatical football supporters - even more so than Victorians if I might say so. There's something magic about AFL football in the minds of Tasmanians. To Victorians, it's just a sport, and one of many that they can decide to go and watch on any given friday/saturday/sunday. Tasmanian's get a lot of it on TV, but it is still distant. Although we love our football, the highest league is bairly acccessable, and this creates a degree of fanaticism in supporters. Personally, every time I go to Melbourne with some friends to see the football, we go *******. The adrenalin is amazing. All the tight arse Victorian wowsers sit round us shaking their heads and saying, 'Really. how old are you? Tsk, tsk. tsk.'

Sometimes though, I think that we may as well be part of Victoria, even though it was a Tasmanian who founded Melbourne.

A Tasmanian AFL side has been talked about as a solution to the decline of football in Tasmania.

It is fairly obvious that due to infighting between the normal people in the south, and the inbred, straw chewing, toothless, overall wearing hicks in the North and the normal people in and around Hobart (hehe) it will never happen.

The biggest thing that Tasmania has is a representative side is the Tasmanian Devils team in the VFL.

Northerners are upset that their home is in Hobart. As far as a lot of them are concerned, the Devils may as well be a Hobart side.

Southerners are upset that all AFL games are played at York Park.

The Devils are alligned with the Kangaroos reserve side. Might I say, that all Tasmanians, whether from the North or South are upset about this. As far as we're concerned, they've ****ed over the one semi-decent thing we had. As far as we're concerned, the least they could do is play a few games of football in Tasmania.

Instead of rolling over and dying in Melbourne, and possibly being forced to fully relocate to the Gold Coast in a few years, why won't they opt to play a few games of senior football a year in Hobart, and if that works (which it will), a few more down the track.

A team playing in the South and a team playing in the North would do wonders for the state of football in Tasmania. The Kangaroos would get more to Bellerive than they ever will to a game on the Gold Coast....

If they will not even consider a few games of football in Hobart, then why the **** is our state side alligned with their reserves side? As far as I'm concerned, if they can't even play a couple of senior games in the state, then the Devils are a massive sellout - as I have always thought.

 

[xyakks]

Hobart is a strange place. Spent most of my life living near Burnie, which was a 2 and a half hour drive to the footy. No-one ever complained. Then I moved to Hobart and just about every time one of the natives found out I was from the North they would complain about how we didn't deserve the footy and it was too far away for them to access. The funny thing was Hobart was bloody 20 minutes closer.

Hobart gets the cricket and the VFL, anyone who's not from Hobart has to drive 2.5-4.5 hours to watch it. The AFL is played in the middle of the state accessable to everyone and all people from Hobart can do is whinge and complain. Too lazy to get in the car and go for a drive.

 

[RememberMe]

Hobart is a strange place. Spent most of my life living near Burnie, which was a 2 and a half hour drive to the footy. No-one ever complained. Then I moved to Hobart and just about every time one of the natives found out I was from the North they would complain about how we didn't deserve the footy and it was too far away for them to access. The funny thing was Hobart was bloody 20 minutes closer.

Hobart gets the cricket and the VFL, anyone who's not from Hobart has to drive 2.5-4.5 hours to watch it. The AFL is played in the middle of the state accessable to everyone and all people from Hobart can do is whinge and complain. Too lazy to get in the car and go for a drive.

The North can have Hawthorn. We'd take the Hobart Roos.

 

[OneEyedPie7]

Would be a better move than the Gold Coast. I think it would be strongly supported by the South also to piss the Northerners off. However with the Hawks looking to further there partnership in the coming years how could two teams be financially supported by the Government? Let's hope the Pulp Mill gets up haha.

 

[RememberMe]

I don't think we'd need to pay the Kangaroos. They're reserves are already coming down here to play, and they'd definately make a decent amount playing senior games down here. Not talking a full relocation yet, but why not a few games? Surely an experiment such as this would not be out of the question? If it is, then why the **** are we continuing with the Devils/Kangaroos partnership?

 

[Tas]

You're missing the point, so I will attempt to make it, allbeit in a long and drawn out way, now.

No, not missing the point. We have just heard it all before. Not sure what makes people think they know better than people that actually have spent the time and money into researching the FACTS.

Tasmania has AFL being played in it. The government decided it would be fun to throw 15 million at the Hawks to play a handful of games in Launceston.

That is $15 million over how many years? They are not kicking in $15 million a year and there is negative public sentiments that the government is paying that sum of money. How sustainable is it?

Local football in Tasmania is dying a slow and painful death. That said, the participation rate is still higher per capita than any state/territory in Australia. Tasmania is a true AFL heartland...

So you think an AFL club that is turning over $22 million (anticipated to increas to over $25 million this year) into a small population base where there is not a significant amount of corporate support and football is dying a slow painful death?

Tasmanians are also fanatical football supporters - even more so than Victorians if I might say so. There's something magic about AFL football in the minds of Tasmanians. To Victorians, it's just a sport, and one of many that they can decide to go and watch on any given friday/saturday/sunday. Tasmanian's get a lot of it on TV, but it is still distant. Although we love our football, the highest league is bairly acccessable, and this creates a degree of fanaticism in supporters. Personally, every time I go to Melbourne with some friends to see the football, we go *******. The adrenalin is amazing. All the tight arse Victorian wowsers sit round us shaking their heads and saying, 'Really. how old are you? Tsk, tsk. tsk.'

I agree that Tasmanians are passionate about their footy, but there is just not enough of them that could support a side. They are on a good deal with the Hawks, they should be happy with that.

A Tasmanian AFL side has been talked about as a solution to the decline of football in Tasmania.

Tasmania couldn't come up with $25 to $35 million per annum, that is the main hurdle. The other is the lack of unity between north and south, for a state that small they would only have a hope in hell if they acted on a unified front. You don't even have a unified local competition, you have northern and southern leagues. An AFL club would have more success relocating to a Melbournian suburb/region like Casey than Tasmania.

It is fairly obvious that due to infighting between the normal people in the south, and the inbred, straw chewing, toothless, overall wearing hicks in the North and the normal people in and around Hobart (hehe) it will never happen.

This lack of unity is Tasmania's biggest problem.

The Devils are alligned with the Kangaroos reserve side. Might I say, that all Tasmanians, whether from the North or South are upset about this. As far as we're concerned, they've ****ed over the one semi-decent thing we had. As far as we're concerned, the least they could do is play a few games of football in Tasmania.

How is having access to some players F'ing over the Devils?

Instead of rolling over and dying in Melbourne, and possibly being forced to fully relocate to the Gold Coast in a few years, why won't they opt to play a few games of senior football a year in Hobart, and if that works (which it will), a few more down the track.

Tasmania can't afford to host more games. Who is going to come up with the money?

A team playing in the South and a team playing in the North would do wonders for the state of football in Tasmania. The Kangaroos would get more to Bellerive than they ever will to a game on the Gold Coast....

No, you have the WHOLE state paying for the Hawks to play a handful of games, that is all they can afford, some argue they can't afford that and the government should spend the money where it is needed more.

Don't just come out here and say it would be good, tell me where Bellerive would generate $600k per game from.

If they will not even consider a few games of football in Hobart, then why the **** is our state side alligned with their reserves side? As far as I'm concerned, if they can't even play a couple of senior games in the state, then the Devils are a massive sellout - as I have always thought.

You are playing in the "VFL", not sure if that has dawned on you yet, how can aligning with a Victorian club to play in the Victorian Football League be a betrayal? Most clubs have access to AFL players, the Devils would get nowhere without AFL calibre players.

Every decent Devils player gets poached by the AFL, it would be insanely hard for the Devils to field a successful Tasmanian only team.

I understand you want to see an AFL team in Tasmania but your best bet is to support HFC, they may or may not ever move there in the future but they are playing games there, the more you unite and support them the better your chances are of getting a greater commitment. If we were to play games there then you would probably lose both teams as the state couldn't support them both playing games there.

 

[RememberMe]

Please reread all my posts carefully. The Kangaroos are a failure in Melbourne. At the moment they are a failure on the Gold Coast. You are already alligned with the devils, much to the displeasure of the majority of Tasmanians who had anything to do with them... As I mentioned previously, although the title might be somewhat misleading, why not trial a few senior games in Hobart?

No, not missing the point. We have just heard it all before. Not sure what makes people think they know better than people that actually have spent the time and money into researching the FACTS.

Yes, I have posted in the numerous threads about a Tasmanian AFL side, and yes I have probably seen all the 'facts' that you have seen.

That is $15 million over how many years? They are not kicking in $15 million a year and there is negative public sentiments that the government is paying that sum of money. How sustainable is it?

Why should we pay the Kangaroos anything? They would get bigger crowds at Bellerive oval than they can currently get anywhere on the mainland. What does the allignment between the Devils and your reserves side mean to you?

So you think an AFL club that is turning over $22 million (anticipated to increas to over $25 million this year) into a small population base where there is not a significant amount of corporate support and football is dying a slow painful death?

Say what?

I agree that Tasmanians are passionate about their footy, but there is just not enough of them that could support a side. They are on a good deal with the Hawks, they should be happy with that.

This lack of unity is Tasmania's biggest problem.

No, actually the fanaticism and lack of unity could be a blessing in disguise to whichever team decided to fixture a few games in Hobart. I have no doubt that a significant number of northerners would come down for the game anyway, and the Hobartians would come out in force just to show up the north. And IMO, we are not on a good deal with the Hawks.

How is having access to some players F'ing over the Devils?

Well, I'll let you sit down and have a long hard think about this, but just to get you going: Think how having half our players shipped down from the mainland every week is ****ing us over; have a look at what the Tasmanian side was founded on; How 'Tasmanian' is it now? If you wanted to change the public's perception of the whole thing, a few senior games in Hobart would go a long way towards doing so.

 

[goalpie]

Northerners are upset that their home is in Hobart. As far as a lot of them are concerned, the Devils may as well be a Hobart side.

Yeh right! I was upset because Williamstown wa on the TV in Melbourne on the ABC and we got stuck with the stupid Devils versus Geelong game.

 

[AngelEyes]

1. With all due respect to Kangaroos supporters I think its pretty obvious, barring a miracle, that the Kangaroos will be finding a new home.

2. When the Kangaroos find a new home - it won't be in Tasmania, neither Hobart or Launceston. There is more chance of their being a team in Victorian Towns such as Ballarat or Bendigo than Tasmania and thats saying something. At least with a team in those places, the ground is still accessible to Kangaroos fans but it wont happen. Its pretty much Queensland or die.

3. I can with the possiblity of the National Reserves Competition or Eastern Seaboard Reserves Competition that a team or two would be based in Tassie e.g. Hawthorns reserves may be a Tasmanian Team etc. I think thats where the AFL will bring in other teams e.g. the Kangaroos might have a reserves team thats called Gold Coast etc and then eventually it will happen. It gives other places a team and a chance to build up support and then the move of other teams may be a bit more smooth.

I don't know but Tassie isnt a chance for a permanent team. Maybe a Reserves team at best.

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Good post RememberMe. AFL is probably more popular in Tassie than it is in Victoria these days. Can you imagine blokes such as Richo, Sherman, Robbo etc 'coming home' to play for Tassie, like the Port Adelaide boys did

Another thing is that Tasmania was the second state to play footy, after Victoria. It was played here long before it was played in SA, WA etc.

Hobart should host most footy (they can have the odd game up North) because as a city it has far more going for it. Hobart is dieing and needs to be kept alive, whereas no one really cares if Burnie, Launceston etc die.

Sadly Goalpie is right in what he says. Young people are leaving in droves and it's killing our state. This is mainly due to the lack of things for young people to do. Stupid Yuppies and old folks choose to live in the inner city then complain about the noise coming from nightclubs to the point where they either have to shut down or operate under unrealistic hours. Same thing with live bands in Tassie, all the suitable venues can't put them on anymore because of the scum who complain about the noise.

 

[Gridlock'd]

Hobart is the obviously the capital of Tasmania, and has the greater centralised population.

I guarantee that if the government put the money into Bellerive and making it AFL standard ground and underwriting AFL games there like it did with York Park, it would have easily pulled larger crowds than what York Park has.

 

[goalpie]

Hobart is the obviously the capital of Tasmania, and has the greater centralised population.

I guarantee that if the government put the money into Bellerive and making it AFL standard ground and underwriting AFL games there like it did with York Park, it would have easily pulled larger crowds than what York Park has.

Duplication off services is a waste off money. The state has spent to much money on sport.

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Duplication off services is a waste off money. The state has spent to much money on sport.

More like the state has spent too much money on the Dorks. That money could have been spent on Tassie football. The Dorks would be laughing all the way to the bank

 

[stickman11]

There isn't Tassie football, never will be Tassie football so get over it... how is Hobart down there. Still getting the chillblains. jesus the weather down there is crap.

 

[catters05]

New team for Tassie.

 

[frankc]

Here is an idea - how about the Roos stay in Melbourne?
Yep, I like it.

Here's the plan:

• We go to the Gold Coast for the next three years - give the AFL a vehicle to showcase our code to a market that is clearly not ready for it's own team (remember, the Brisbane Lions lost $1 Million last year..and they are in the capital, have been up there for years are have just come off a triple premiership),
• We will get paid very well for playing our games up there which will help fund our Arden Street redevelopment
• In the meantime, we further sharpen our business practices in Melbourne (wait for this years financials - North will announce over $1 Million profit), build on our membership numbers and outside income streams, then at the end of the three years if the AFL thinks the GC is ready for a team (which it won't be) - they can start up their own team and leave us the **** alone.

And in the meantime - you knobs can all worry about your own little inferior clubs/corporations.

Obviously you have hit your head. If it was so easy for your club why haven't you done this already. With all the money the AFL have given to prop you up why haven't you righted your ship by now? Answer, the kangaroos are not sustainable.

The end of the CBF = the end of the parasitic kangaroos.

 

[The Zebra]

Obviously you have hit your head. If it was so easy for your club why haven't you done this already. With all the money the AFL have given to prop you up why haven't you righted your ship by now? Answer, the kangaroos are not sustainable.

Who said it was easy? Plenty of work involved, but North's management over the last few years has been very bad and things are finally turning around. There is huge scope for improvement and it is already happening.

As I mentioned - we will have over $1 Million profit this year, we have decreased debt and we are in the process of building new facilities at Arden Street.

It is absolutely acheiveable.

 

[catters05]

Why dont North Melb move to the MCG, would that be cheaper?

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Maybe to make things sustainable Hawthorn and the Kangas can both merge then move to Hobart. They could call themselves the "Southern Tasmania Northorn Devils"

 

[Smell The Glove]

Not one response.

Thats because you are a douche.