Hobart Stadium: $750 million cost

[Mr Taswegian]

Lol the last thing we need to waste money on is soccer

Soccer is in the business plan so is expected to be played there.

 

[Kwality]

Australia is getting an AFL stadium with an inflatable plastic roof — here's how that works

While the design for Hobart's Macquarie Point stadium is a way off, AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has made it clear it will have a roof and, it may well be see-through. But what will it mean for cricket and concerts?

www.abc.net.au

The last thing Tassie needs is to be a guinea pig for roof design:

'And one type of roof has already been put forward.

The business case assumes it will be see-through, made of ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE) — a lightweight, self-cleaning plastic that lets in about 95 per cent of ultraviolet sunlight for grass growth.

The panels are cushions filled with low-pressure air.

A 23,000-seat stadium is unlikely to have the same height as Melbourne's Docklands Stadium, where the roof is occasionally hit by a cricket ball in Big Bash League matches.

Hobart architect Tim Penny said this would also need to be considered in the design phase.

"If it's a boutique arena, there will be occasions when the ball hits the roof," he said.

"You'd also need to make sure sufficient air volume can pass through. Tasmania has more sunlight hours than Queensland with a higher rate of UV."

In March, the Department of State Growth confirmed it was assumed the roof would be "fixed" rather than retractable.'

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Australia is getting an AFL stadium with an inflatable plastic roof — here's how that works

While the design for Hobart's Macquarie Point stadium is a way off, AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has made it clear it will have a roof and, it may well be see-through. But what will it mean for cricket and concerts?

www.abc.net.au

The last thing Tassie needs is to be a guinea pig for roof design:

'And one type of roof has already been put forward.

The business case assumes it will be see-through, made of ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE) — a lightweight, self-cleaning plastic that lets in about 95 per cent of ultraviolet sunlight for grass growth.

The panels are cushions filled with low-pressure air.

A 23,000-seat stadium is unlikely to have the same height as Melbourne's Docklands Stadium, where the roof is occasionally hit by a cricket ball in Big Bash League matches.

Hobart architect Tim Penny said this would also need to be considered in the design phase.

"If it's a boutique arena, there will be occasions when the ball hits the roof," he said.

"You'd also need to make sure sufficient air volume can pass through. Tasmania has more sunlight hours than Queensland with a higher rate of UV."

In March, the Department of State Growth confirmed it was assumed the roof would be "fixed" rather than retractable.'

Can't play international cricket if it's a fixed roof

 

[The_Wookie]

Can't play international cricket if it's a fixed roof

Not an actual ICC rule, its a mutual agreement between competing countries, and literally can only apply to Docklands at the moment.

 

[HairyO]

The AFL have been smart. Their input is capped. There is a 100% chance costs blow out massively so the 2 governments will be stuck with the extra costs.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

The AFL have been smart. Their input is capped. There is a 100% chance costs blow out massively so the 2 governments will be stuck with the extra costs.

The federal governments money is capped as well.

 

[HairyO]

The federal governments money is capped as well.

Interesting. No wonder so many Taswegians are against the stadium.

 

[Kwality]

The AFL have been smart. Their input is capped. There is a 100% chance costs blow out massively so the 2 governments will be stuck with the extra costs.

So we pay ..... its not news to me.

 

[Bjo187]

Australia is getting an AFL stadium with an inflatable plastic roof — here's how that works

While the design for Hobart's Macquarie Point stadium is a way off, AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has made it clear it will have a roof and, it may well be see-through. But what will it mean for cricket and concerts?

www.abc.net.au

The last thing Tassie needs is to be a guinea pig for roof design:

'And one type of roof has already been put forward.

The business case assumes it will be see-through, made of ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE) — a lightweight, self-cleaning plastic that lets in about 95 per cent of ultraviolet sunlight for grass growth.

The panels are cushions filled with low-pressure air.

A 23,000-seat stadium is unlikely to have the same height as Melbourne's Docklands Stadium, where the roof is occasionally hit by a cricket ball in Big Bash League matches.

Hobart architect Tim Penny said this would also need to be considered in the design phase.

"If it's a boutique arena, there will be occasions when the ball hits the roof," he said.

"You'd also need to make sure sufficient air volume can pass through. Tasmania has more sunlight hours than Queensland with a higher rate of UV."

In March, the Department of State Growth confirmed it was assumed the roof would be "fixed" rather than retractable.'

I read this article, it's pretty cool it's not even glass, more like inflatable clear pillows. I'm sure they'll go with this, it's more affordable and beats glass on a number of metrics.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

I read this article, it's pretty cool it's not even glass, more like inflatable clear pillows. I'm sure they'll go with this, it's more affordable and beats glass on a number of metrics.

But can they play international cricket with that?

 

[Bjo187]

But can they play international cricket with that?

Cricket will find a way to play there once they feel they are missing out. It would be good if every so often they actually contributed to oval stadium developments, instead of riding on the coattails of the AFL all the time.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Cricket will find a way to play there once they feel they are missing out. It would be good if every so often they actually contributed to oval stadium developments, instead of riding on the coattails of the AFL all the time.

I agree they should contribute some. We all know Test cricket has struggled to get crowds in the past but with no risk of wet weather means the crowds will go up straight away so I think this stadium will really help pull bigger crowds to test match cricket here.

 

[The_Wookie]

The official design process for the stadium has not commenced. When commenced the design process will include full consultation with key stakeholders and will include consideration of strategies to mitigate any potential impact on views both to and from the Cenotaph associated with the specific location and final height and shape of the stadium in the Macquarie Point precinct.

LIMINAL Architecture has prepared this initial stadium key views analysis based on Aurecon’s report prepared as part of the stadium site feasibility process undertaken in 2022.

For initial planning purposes a height of RL40 metres at the highest point of the roof pitch has been assumed. A stadium size of 240m long x 210m wide has also been assumed. This does not include a concourse around the stadium.

For comparison purposes, this stadium height has been compared to Hobart’s tallest building, the Wrest Point Hotel Casino which is around twice as high as the stadium. Based on the floor level heights of the casino the current planned stadium heights compare to just below 7 levels at the sides and just under 9 levels at the roof pitch point. Based on comparison to a city office building the floor levels would be around 8 levels at the sides and around 10.5 levels at the roof pitch.

The final specific location of the stadium on the site and exact shape and height, including RL commencing height, will not be determined until the official design process is undertaken

https://www.stategrowth.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/433746/230405_HSP_KeyViews.pdf

 

[Bjo187]

Does anybody ever go to this Centopath anyway? It doesn't look like an amazing structure or gathering point anyway.

 

[The_Wookie]

Does anybody ever go to this Centopath anyway? It doesn't look like an amazing structure or gathering point anyway.

these are typically busy places around ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Bjo187]

these are typically busy places around ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day

They should be happy more people will frequent the area if there is a stadium there.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Can't play international cricket if it's a fixed roof

ODIs have been played under the roof at Docklands. Any roof at Hobart will likely be much lower, given the lack of need for three large levels of stands. Or a rather large wall. It seems unlikely any permanently roofed ground could be used for cricket.
There is no provision for Test matches, and the ground would likely not meet the criteria for training facilities etc for multiday cricket. But Hobart isn't ever getting a Test again anyway (outside of another covid like event making mainland cities unusable), and Test cricket might not exist outside the Ashes by the time the venue is built, if it ever is.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

ODIs have been played under the roof at Docklands. Any roof at Hobart will likely be much lower, given the lack of need for three large levels of stands. Or a rather large wall. It seems unlikely any permanently roofed ground could be used for cricket.
There is no provision for Test matches, and the ground would likely not meet the criteria for training facilities etc for multiday cricket. But Hobart isn't ever getting a Test again anyway (outside of another covid like event making mainland cities unusable), and Test cricket might not exist outside the Ashes by the time the venue is built, if it ever is.

International cricket is in the business case but if they don't build a Rectratable roof it's not possible so I would expect international cricket to stay at Blunstone.

 

[JHCAT23]

The cenotaph will have more use than it ever has with this stadium. Most likely the whole club will also gather to this location on Anzac Day. If anyone's kicking up a stink it's just because they can.

 

[madmug]

A

Does anybody ever go to this Centopath anyway? It doesn't look like an amazing structure or gathering point anyway.

ANZAC day

Otherwise the odd circus, Regatta day & as a carpark for city events like Taste of Tasmania, Wooden boats etc.

 

[madmug]

International cricket is in the business case but if they don't build a Rectratable roof it's not possible so I would expect international cricket to stay at Blunstone.

They wanted it, they built it, now they can sit in the useless thing, with the other 6 people at a Sheffield Shield match.

 

[beema limapep]

International cricket is in the business case but if they don't build a Rectratable roof it's not possible so I would expect international cricket to stay at Blunstone.

Tasmania won't (usually) get front line test cricket matches, so test cricket can stay at bellrieve. One day and T20 where rules and traditions are more relaxed could be played at the new stadium.

 

[Perry Pie]

Australia is getting an AFL stadium with an inflatable plastic roof — here's how that works

While the design for Hobart's Macquarie Point stadium is a way off, AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has made it clear it will have a roof and, it may well be see-through. But what will it mean for cricket and concerts?

www.abc.net.au

The last thing Tassie needs is to be a guinea pig for roof design:

'And one type of roof has already been put forward.

The business case assumes it will be see-through, made of ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE) — a lightweight, self-cleaning plastic that lets in about 95 per cent of ultraviolet sunlight for grass growth.

The panels are cushions filled with low-pressure air.

A 23,000-seat stadium is unlikely to have the same height as Melbourne's Docklands Stadium, where the roof is occasionally hit by a cricket ball in Big Bash League matches.

Hobart architect Tim Penny said this would also need to be considered in the design phase.

"If it's a boutique arena, there will be occasions when the ball hits the roof," he said.

"You'd also need to make sure sufficient air volume can pass through. Tasmania has more sunlight hours than Queensland with a higher rate of UV."

In March, the Department of State Growth confirmed it was assumed the roof would be "fixed" rather than retractable.'

ETFE is what some of the Southern Cross Station roof is made of. Some clever engineer will need to work out what height will be needed to make sure a cricket ball or football cannot puncture a panel (or what happens when one gets punctured by a ball - I doubt it would be a big deal, but that is 100% guess on my part. (If a stadium with a roof on can grow grass then cricket is a no brainer - can always use a drop in pitch)

I think the stadium needs to be built as a landmark building given its location. It is a fantastic spot, do it justice. Go all in and make it magnificent.

Find a way to include local materials - hide the concrete (there is fantastic local timber and stone! Use local aluminium). Find ways of symbolising Tassie & Hobart - think Sydney Opera House not stadiums in terms of design ambition. If it becomes an iconic building no one will remember the cost (good design does not cost more in the long-run). Recognise the indigenous people too. Just because the playing area is oval does not mean the stadium has to be. The roof does not need to end in the same place as the stadium either...

 

[The_Wookie]

And now its budgeted

You can find the full budget here.

The Government will provide $687.4 million over 6 years from 2022–23 for a national approach to sustainable urban development in Australia.

Funding includes: $305.0 million over 5 years from 2023–24 for the Macquarie Point Precinct and University of Tasmania Stadium, to deliver urban renewal projects in Hobart and Launceston (pg 176)