Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[Better Loosen Up]

2002 was pretty insane too

I should have won that!!!!! Grrr f***ing Let's Elope!

 

[Fadge]

Probably. Defier, Fields of Omagh and Grandera were top quality though

Yep, forgot FOO. The other two a rung below, with FOO a rung below the best 3 (despite being a Valley specialist).

 

[Pistol Night]

Yep, forgot FOO. The other two a rung below, with FOO a rung below the best 3 (despite being a Valley specialist).

FOO one of my all time favs. Cleaned up on both his Cox Plate wins. Warrior

 

[Fadge]

FOO one of my all time favs. Cleaned up on both his Cox Plate wins. Warrior

Both wins double figure odds?

 

[Heaps of fun]

FOO one of my all time favs. Cleaned up on both his Cox Plate wins. Warrior

I never get why people give human attributes to horses. He's a warrior. He's just wants to win. He willed himself to be the best. Just a bunch of dumb animals getting flogged to go fast.

 

[Pistol Night]

Both wins double figure odds?

Yeah think 16s in 2003 and 13s in 2006. Still got the TAB ticket from 2003 somewhere

 

[Pistol Night]

I never get why people give human attributes to horses. He's a warrior. He's just wants to win. He willed himself to be the best. Just a bunch of dumb animals getting flogged to go fast.

Ok mate. Stick to chess

 

[FRUMPY]

FOO one of my all time favs. Cleaned up on both his Cox Plate wins. Warrior

Same here. Knew the son of one of the owners who also owned doremius

On CPH2005 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Goroyals22]

Simple fact is banning betting would only drive it back underground where it began anyway.. only thing is the governments would lose out on the tax they collect from it so wont happen.

 

[faible]

When you start advocating for banning things that other people currently have the freedom to enjoy and is a long standing part of our history and culture as a society, yes, it's your reality.

As I said, it's an attempt at a strawman. Not a good one.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

As I said, it's an attempt at a strawman. Not a good one.

Really? Ok, how have I misrepresented your position?

 

[faible]

Really? Ok, how have I misrepresented your position?

This, for a start, should give you an indication;

We make all kinds of things illegal because they're not a communal good.

Of course, if your view is 'we should make nothing illegal and everyone should just make their own choices' then we have a pretty fundamental difference of opinion in what a society is and how it works.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

This, for a start, should give you an indication;



Of course, if your view is 'we should make nothing illegal and everyone should just make their own choices' then we have a pretty fundamental difference of opinion in what a society is and how it works.

Ok, so now you're just creating a strawman of your own. Nice work!

So, are you against Horse Racing, Gambling or both? My understanding is both. Hence your involvement in this thread. If i'm correct, then I haven't created a strawman at all.

 

[faible]

Ok, so now you're just creating a strawman of your own. Nice work!

So, are you against Horse Racing, Gambling or both? My understanding is both. Hence your involvement in this thread. If i'm correct, then I haven't created a strawman at all.

Well you have created one, but much like how you can't bring yourself to admit that the horse racing industry isn't a great one for the horses, nor will you accept that gambling does harm, you'll obviously never accept that you've simply created a strawman to try to argue against.

If you want to go have a punt on the horses, by all means go waste your money doing so, but let's not pretend it's some kind of noble long-running cultural experience that modern society needs to honour.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Well you have created one, but much like how you can't bring yourself to admit that the horse racing industry isn't a great one for the horses, nor will you accept that gambling does harm, you'll obviously never accept that you've simply created a strawman to try to argue against.

If you want to go have a punt on the horses, by all means go waste your money doing so, but let's not pretend it's some kind of noble long-running cultural experience that modern society needs to honour.

Thank you. I will.

 

[rank and file]

let's not pretend it's some kind of noble long-running cultural experience that modern society needs to honour.

Lol
Let's pretend it is a cultural experience that modern society does honour.
Melbourne gets a public holiday.
The rest of us stop while the race is run.

 

[Gethelred]

When you start advocating for banning things that other people currently have the freedom to enjoy and is a long standing part of our history and culture as a society, yes, it's your reality.

There's a fair amount of precedence in smoking tobacco within human society, people enjoying it and it being a part of our culture despite the harm it does too.

 

[mcnulty]

There's a fair amount of precedence in smoking tobacco within human society, people enjoying it and it being a part of our culture despite the harm it does too.

If you want to look at the (very real) harm gambling causes, there’s a fair few places to look other than horse racing. Which got knocked off its perch waaaay back.

 

[Gethelred]

If you want to look at the (very real) harm gambling causes, there’s a fair few places to look other than horse racing. Which got knocked off its perch waaaay back.

I wasn't really talking about horse racing so much as I was saying that precedence and enjoyment do not equal that something causes zero harm.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

New Zealand plans to ban greyhound racing over animal welfare concerns

Greyhound industry group says government hasn’t recognised its work to address welfare issues that have plagued racing for years

www.theguardian.com

Aotearoa just banned dog racing. Is horse racing any less cruel or sad?

 

[iBeng]

Horse racing is just as bad, but it has significantly more money behind it. Wont be banned any time soon.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

New Zealand plans to ban greyhound racing over animal welfare concerns

Greyhound industry group says government hasn’t recognised its work to address welfare issues that have plagued racing for years

www.theguardian.com

Aotearoa just banned dog racing. Is horse racing any less cruel or sad?

Yes

 

[faible]

New Zealand plans to ban greyhound racing over animal welfare concerns

Greyhound industry group says government hasn’t recognised its work to address welfare issues that have plagued racing for years

www.theguardian.com

Aotearoa just banned dog racing. Is horse racing any less cruel or sad?

Didn't NSW try - and fail - at banning Greyhound racing? From memory the state government got bullied in to walking back the ban.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Surrogacy and artificial insemination are prohibited in thoroughbred racing, with the Australian Stud Book stating that horses must be bred naturally. To be registered as a Thoroughbred, a foal must be the product of a “live cover,” meaning a witnessed natural mating of a stallion and a mare. Though artificial insemination and embryo transfer are possible and common in other horse breeds, it is banned with Thoroughbreds

I'm amazed. There's actually a job where you can get paid to watch horses f*ck! Is that the REAL spectator sport here?

 

[demondavey]

Just out of interest, are you a Vegan?

Just out of interest, what does this matter? Seems you’re looking to generalise.