You havent really answered the question though. Gold coast had the same concessions and the same access to talent, so why isnt the final between GWS and GCS?
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I did a long post in the other thread (that should probably be merged with this one) about the mini-draft; but basically Adelaide got Luke Brown & Brad Crouch - Gold Coast got Jaeger O’Meara and Jack Martin - Melbourne got Jesse Hogan and we got Aiden Corr (playing tomorrow) Will Hoskin Elliot (ok), Liam Sumner, Jonathan O’Rourke & Lachie Plowman (all busts for us)
Clubs other than GWS all came out well ahead on the Mini-Draft - it’s so overrated and overblown in terms of why we’re successful today - but it’s one thing people keep bringing up - “oh, the mini draft! so much extra for GWS, it’s why they’re a Frankenstein juggernaut”
But what are facts and reality when there’s a Narrative to chase?
As for your other point there about trading, I put together some figures years ago about it and I found something like... (I can’t remember the exact figures) ... Gold Coast had delisted 20-25 players and traded something like 6 or 7 whereas we’d delisted 10-12 and traded 20 - some were just for a packet of chips to get them somewhere (Josh Bruce for pick 48 which we passed on and didn’t use comes to mind) but the approach to delisting versus trades was pretty stark.
This article is quite something in hindsight: https://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-28/eades-happy-homecoming
Reading back the articles written at the time, there was very little said about culture - it seemed more like they were pissed at missing finals and felt they needed a more experienced coach to take them there.
If anything, there was criticism from some saying he may have lost players because he stood up to them and called them out on the off field stuff.
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Seems the medical staff have to be blamed too, especially with injuries to key players.
People moan about GWS academy......
Go ask this question..... where are all these GWS father son picks?
Again..... we really need to go through this....
They needed a few 1st rounders to get some good kids for some success. What do you expect? A repeat of what Brisbane had in 1987?
Brisbane in 1987 had only 35 players. the other 12 VFL clubs each had to give up 2-3 players each. Again, most of Brisbanes players in 1987 were experienced Players from other clubs. Sounds ok in theory except they were either players at the end of their careers or rejects from other clubs.
Again, about the GWS academy picks. Complain about that all you want, but what about GWS father son picks?
Heres the thing..... How long did Ablett stay in Gold coast? 7 years? More than enough to develop a player as a captain. He was a captain for 6 years.
Suns had 9 1st round picks in 2010 draft. Surely one of those players would of been groomed as a captain.
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I wont deny GWS is well run.
Gold Coast suns were not Poorly run from Day one. Again.... they had 9 of the 1st 15 picks in the 2010 draft. Again..... I thought they were building the team up nicely in the 1st 3-4 years, pumping games into kids. I didnt expect all 9 1st rounders in 2010 to be superstars. You would of expected 3-5 of those 1st rounders in 2010 were going to be solid 200 gamers.
The most Damning thing was West coast managed to Recruit quality in 2010.
Gaff
Darling
Lycett
Jeremy McGovern
All 4 of those blokes would be in The suns best 22.
I mean Isaac Smith was pick 19 and Paul Puopolo was pick 66.
People Said the suns were lucky because the 2010 was a poor year for youth.
Despite being a "weak" Draft, there were some solid players after pick 20 in that years draft.
Unfortunately, some of those 1st rounders were duds or were crippled with injury or had off field problems
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They’re all good players but the Giants have drafted multiple top end players in Kelly, Coniglio, Whitfield, Cameron and Greene. O’Meara was killed by injuries up there, Lynch was good but the rest didn’t come close whilst at the Suns to the likes of Kelly, Coniglio etc.
Prestia is a good player now but I’m still taking those Giants midfielders over him.
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I mean, you’re starting an AFL club from scratch with a bunch of actual school kids.
Put up the equivalent people from GC. There’s your answer.
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You were passing on picks in the 40s?! i guess when u were cutting your list down?
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Yep. Tom Lynch
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The Ablett leadership bashing is hilarious.
He had them poised for finals in 2015 at 9-6 when he got injured. Their 5th season. Exactly the same time it took GWS to make the finals.
Pretty sure if he stayed on the paddock and they made it - and he stayed fit in the ensuing seasons - no one would spin the ‘it’s all because he wasn’t a good leader’ bullsh**t as to why they’re in the predicament they’re in now.
He had them poised for finals in 2015 at 9-6 when he got injured. Their 5th season. Exactly the same time it took GWS to make the finals.
Pretty sure if he stayed on the paddock and they made it - and he stayed fit in the ensuing seasons - no one would spin the ‘it’s all because he wasn’t a good leader’ bullsh**t as to why they’re in the predicament they’re in now.
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So infectious that he had them battling away on just 9 wins from 15 games in their 5th season when he got hurt.
Do people actually stop to think about the literal impact of him not being on the field as a player?
The bloke WAS the team. If they won a game, it was invariably because of him.
Suddenly he misses the best part of 3 seasons and they go sh1+house - oh well it must be because he’s cancerous, not because suddenly they’ve had one of the 5 greatest players of all time sidelined.
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Simple; Gold Coast was the rehearsal, GWS was the performance.
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Anything the Aulds get involved in is bound to be c*cked up. His brother was CEO of AFL Tas and was an absolute donut.
We were always cutting our list down in the early years - started with 50 and were given until 2019 to reduce it to standard AFL size (that was changed halfway through 2016? to the end of 2016 hence the player/salary dump that year)
The year Bruce went and we passed on pick 48:
Out: Dom Tyson, Kurt Ablett, Shaun Edwards, Sam Darley, Josh Bruce (traded) Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan (retired) Brett Thornton, Gerald Ugle, Setanta o’Hailpin, Josh Growden, Joey Redfern (delisted) - 12
In: Tom Boyd, Josh Kelly, Cam McCarthy, Rory Lobb (draft) Jake Barret (rookie zone selection) Jed Lamb (preseason draft) Shand Mumford, Josh Hunt (trade) - 8
Heath Shaw was a straight swap for Taylor Adams so didn’t effect the numbers
So 12 out, 8 in - that’s why we passed on pick 48
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Kevin Sheedy walks in to a Western Sydney maccas the girl who serves him gives him free tickets to the GWSThe creation of the Giants was not just about extra TV revenue. It was - and is - about growing the game and we are doing that in spades.
But hey, facts and narratives and dogs supporters - what can you do.
game on the weekend, he does not have the heart to tell her he is the head coach. At that stage he was one
of the most recognisable faces in the AFL. GWS have done a great job as have Gold Coast under difficult if
not impossible conditions. If you always look for hate all you will see is hate.
Timing.
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And monopoly tactics?
They seemed to take every single significant KPF out of the draft for years, and are still parlaying them for picks to the desperate. (Patton to Hawks next?)
Patton Cameron Boyd McCarthy etc etc all on one list!
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You're ignoring the massive advantages GWS had over GCS.
First, they had the 4 mini draft trades, effectively giving them 8 extra first round picks.
They also came into the competition after GCS and they picked trams guaranteeing them to finish last in their first two seasons giving them 2 further no.1 picks.
Because they had all those first rounds picks they had a massive opportunity to trade for future picks (nice of the AFL to implement that little ruling to help them) which helped them for years.
Their extra salary cap advantages were larger that GCS and for more years.
Their academy zone included rich football areas giving them a massive advantage over the rest of the competition. The AFL realised how they ****ed up and have continued to alter the rules to undo their incompetence, how it's so bad every club will have an academy, but still way behind what GWS has.
It's laughable to suggest that GWS didn't have massive advantages over GCS
yeah I agree,
He was making them watchable when I wouldn't have even tuned into them had he not been holding them up.
Each win you conceded that they would not have got had it not been for what he did.
has anyone actually described why he was negative for the club in anyway.
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Scully was almost a barometer for that team, he was an elite workhorse and you could see that rub off on his team
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Misplaced Ablett bashing, but he didn't unite the group at all. Spoke to a former Gold coast player who said the group was split entirely in two you were either the religious boys who prayed before games (Ablett, Smith and a few others photo springs to mind) or you were a party boy
Edit:every club has factions but having two polar opposite groups will never work, especially when bringing in fresh blood
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Pick your reason. Because he was religious. Because he was selfish. Because he was a mercenary - whatever that even means
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I don’t think he was a perfect captain by any means and I wouldn’t say he was particularly effective but it is up to professionals to get past that sort of thing
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Four years with the most talented list with only a GF embarrassment to show for it.
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LOL did they ?
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