How Long will John Worsfold Coach the West Coast Eagles?

[Par4]

Given the massive fall from grace experienced by the club.

How often does a side fall 11 places and the coach doesnt come under scrutiny? Given that, on average, 15 premiership players would take the field any given week, is fair to suggest another poor season will see Worsfold given the axe?

So far he hasnt displayed the ability to formulate a winning gameplan in the absence of two premier on-ballers. He hasnt developed a forward line of any note in his many years at the top.

These are gross oversights, I think Woosha will be lucky to see it our until the end of 2009.

 

[Braun_2_B_Wild]

Well given that he started the same day with apparantly a less talented squad than Chris Connolly did.... yet made 2 grand finals and won a premiership....

The correct answer is longer than Chris Connolly Now the real question is will he outcoach Mark "Look at the floor during press conferences" Harvey?

 

[Par4]

I'd appreciate it if you could keep on topic, are you suggesting the 11 places dropped in ladder position were not related to his ability to coach?

Let's not forget this is the same man who cost you perhaps another preliminary final with an utterly woeful decision to take Cox and Glass off during a crucial period in the match against the Pies.

Are you also suggesting the forward line you have is better than average, and that he doesnt have a duty to develop every sector of the ground?

Oh, and so far Mark Harvey has outcoached Worsfold.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Oh, and so far Mark Harvey has outcoached Worsfold.

How on earth can you say that? Worsfold got a fairly average squad into the finals in his first year. Harvey got a potential top 4 squad into third last.

 

[Jesse Custer]

How long will Harvey be coaching Freo?

Considering he had such a "dangerous side" and he couldn't take them to the finals let alone out of the bottom four he must be sweating by now.

Just for future reference before bagging another club, player or coach have a look in your own backyard first.

 

[Par4]

How on earth can you say that? Worsfold got a fairly average squad into the finals in his first year. Harvey got a potential top 4 squad into third last.

Both started the year in the same position.

West Coast finished 15th. Freo 14th.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Both started the year in the same position.

West Coast finished 15th. Freo 14th.

So you're happy with Harvey's coaching performance so far?

 

[Par4]

So you're happy with Harvey's coaching performance so far?

I never said that.

I just pointed out that Mark Harvey has outcoached John Worsfold thus far.

If you want an answer in regard to that question start a thread on the topic, for now, stick to the theme of this thread and stop deflecting from the OP.

Thanks in advance.

 

[escobar75]

Given the massive fall from grace experienced by the club.

How often does a side fall 11 places and the coach doesnt come under scrutiny? Given that, on average, 15 premiership players would take the field any given week, is fair to suggest another poor season will see Worsfold given the axe?

So far he hasnt displayed the ability to formulate a winning gameplan in the absence of two premier on-ballers. He hasnt developed a forward line of any note in his many years at the top.

These are gross oversights, I think Woosha will be lucky to see it our until the end of 2009.

FALLING FROM GRACE!!!?!?....the thing is WCE have obtained grace to fall from...your rabble of a team started at the bottom and fell into dogsh**........

 

[Par4]

FALLING FROM GRACE!!!?!?....the thing is WCE have obtained grace to fall from...your rabble of a team started at the bottom and fell into dogsh**........

And that should make a 11 place slide ok?

It's one of the most monumental slides for quite some time, surely there has to be a link to poor coaching somewhere along the road?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I never said that.

I just pointed out that Mark Harvey has outcoached John Worsfold thus far.

If you want an answer in regard to that question start a thread on the topic, for now, stick to the theme of this thread and stop deflecting from the OP.

Thanks in advance.

Worsfold has coached his team to the finals in 6 of 7 seasons, including one premiership and one other grand final. I think he'll survive this season.

If you choose to believe that Harvey has outcoached him on the basis that his team's terrible performance in his only season was slightly less terrible than Worsfold's team's terrible performance, then go ahead. You won't find many supporters for that view outside of your own board.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

And that should make a 11 place slide ok?

It's one of the most monumental slides for quite some time, surely there has to be a link to poor coaching somewhere along the road?

Wasn't even the most monumental slide this season.

 

[escobar75]

And that should make a 11 place slide ok?

It's one of the most monumental slides for quite some time, surely there has to be a link to poor coaching somewhere along the road?

Mate , have you forgotten who you support....what have you guys done seriously the only thing your team is good for is making it an even 16 team comp no one wants a bye every week....

 

[Par4]

Worsfold has coached his team to the finals in 6 of 7 seasons, including one premiership and one other grand final. I think he'll survive this season.

If you choose to believe that Harvey has outcoached him on the basis that his team's terrible performance in his only season was slightly less terrible than Worsfold's team's terrible performance, then go ahead. You won't find many supporters for that view outside of your own board.

I dont need a history lesson.

I choose to believe he has outcoached Worsfold because the facts are there to see in full view. West Coast finished 15th. Fremantle finished 14th. As Woosh says " The ladder indicates where you are fairly"

Woosh had the Luxury of having a fully fit champion in Judd and Cousins for 6 of those 7 years. Now that those two are gone the club finishs 15th?

Two men, in a well coached side, should not make that much difference.

Had Worsfold developed some form of Forward line, rather than throw all his eggs in the midfield basket, things may have been different this year.

IMO it's a poor reflection and a lack of forward thinking.

 

[Par4]

Wasn't even the most monumental slide this season.

Your going to compare a side flogged by 119 points in a Grand final, one that clearly had no right being there in the first place to West Coast who had been up and about for 3 years running?

Ok.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I dont need a history lesson.

I choose to believe he has outcoached Worsfold because the facts are there to see in full view. West Coast finished 15th. Fremantle finished 14th. As Woosh says " The ladder indicates where you are fairly"

Woosh had the Luxury of having a fully fit champion in Judd and Cousins for 6 of those 7 years. Now that those two are gone the club finishs 15th?

Two men, in a well coached side, should not make that much difference.

Had Worsfold developed some form of Forward line, rather than throw all his eggs in the midfield basket, things may have been different this year.

IMO it's a poor reflection and a lack of forward thinking.

Judd in 2002 was a rookie, we finished 8th.

On your theory, Fremantle with a fully-fit superstar in Pavlich and a rising star winner in Palmer should have at least pushed for a finals spot.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Your going to compare a side flogged by 119 points in a Grand final, one that clearly had no right being there in the first place to West Coast who had been up and about for 3 years running?

Ok.

You're the one throwing out the "11 spot slide" figure (it's actually 10 spots by the way).

Any side who loses two Brownlow medallists in one offseason is going to suffer a slide of some degree. Add a shocking injury run to that and there's your explanation.

 

[Par4]

Mate , have you forgotten who you support....what have you guys done seriously the only thing your team is good for is making it an even 16 team comp no one wants a bye every week....

I havent forgotten who I support, what my side has done in the past doesnt mean I cannot put forward a suggesttion nor does it limit my ability to mount a reasonable argument.

All you seem to be able to do is fire off a quick insult which adds nothing and isnt really well thought out. Consider this the last time I recognise anything you post. However, if you do have something reasonable to say I will debate with you in a civil manner. I have my doubts that this will happen.

Until then, fell free to fire of blanks.

 

[Par4]

Judd in 2002 was a rookie, we finished 8th.

On your theory, Fremantle with a fully-fit superstar in Pavlich and a rising star winner in Palmer should have at least pushed for a finals spot.

Your not answering the question, again. You seem quick to point the finger to Fremantle wherever possible.

As I said before if you want to discuss all things Fremante, please feel free to do so. For now, let's stick to West Coast and Worsfold.

 

[Par4]

You're the one throwing out the "11 spot slide" figure (it's actually 10 spots by the way).

Any side who loses two Brownlow medallists in one offseason is going to suffer a slide of some degree. Add a shocking injury run to that and there's your explanation.

At the end of the season 07 home and away season. West Coast finished the year in 4th position. This year WCE finished 15th. Thats where my math is coming from, but you know that.

Of course there is going to be slide, Im not denying that, and if I were it would be a ludicrous suggestion. But where I get hazy is how a side can go from being a geuine premiership threat, to being close to finishing last and a certifiable rabble?

Something has to be seriously wrong.

 

[CJisJC]

This thread confirms my feelings that Fremantle supporters have absolutely no chance of success in Bay 13 whatsoever.
Never.
Ever.

It's just not possible.

 

[Crimson King]

Who gives a ****?

Why does it matter to you?

Woosha will coach for as long as he wants..he has got plenty of runs on the board..

 

[UltraMagnus]

lets deal with the FACTS shall we ?

WC lost arguably the 2 best midfielders in the comp in the blink of an eye.
WC relied heavily on their midfield
do i need to go on ?

you take the 2 best players out of any team in the comp and they would suffer the same, its not rocket science.

As for the Harvey v Worsfold thing surely you realise Par4 that ladder position isn't the sole indicator of how a coach has performed.

I mean if a coach takes a shit team from last to just outside the top8 eg Carltank and Richmond they would claim that as a decent coaching performance. But if a coach had an awesome list but only made the prelim final you would say that is faliure as a coach. Imagine if Geelong gets beaten next week, they wouldnt be singing Thompsons praises then.

So the fact is that Harvey took a team that was suppose to be top4 to bottom 4, thats a failure. Woosha has begun the rebuilding process, blooding new youngsters and so forth so that is acceptable as a coach. Therefore Woosha > Harvey

Also even if WC got the spoon next year they still wouldnt sack Woosha, they'll give him another 2 to see how he develops the list.

 

[Par4]

Who gives a ****?

Why does it matter to you?

Woosha will coach for as long as he wants..he has got plenty of runs on the board..

There's no need to get defensive about it, it just a topic for discussion. Surely you are aware of that by now.

Runs on the board?

Granted it take alot of effort to win a premiership and full Kudos to West Coast and John Worsfold for doing so. But if you examine the 3 year period a little closer, did Worsfold really make the most of the window?

He had the best midfield of the last decade, some would say, close to the best ever. Yet, without a forward line its true potential was never truely realised. Personally I think that has been the biggest failing on his part.

Now the midfield has gone, this year demonstrated Worsfold's lack of forward thinking and ability to develop a team with a strong defensive unit and at least a servicable forward line.

I doubt we'll see another player as good as Judd, or Cousins in the midfield for a long time. It begs the question, whats Worsfolds next move?

Does he have one, on the evidence so far, it's a resounding no.

 

[Crimson King]

Yeh we all work at the club to know what his next move will be.

He has got the coaching job for the next 4-5 years, we will see what he does..

So can you answer my question, what does this matter to you? For a Freo fan you seem to be very interested in WCE since you joined, heck you even post on our board.

A freagle by any chance?