so would i, but i would much rather niether of them.
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HOw the Hell did Troy Simmonds survive the chop? Off to the Glue Factory more like it!
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Get Seaby for free would be ok but not keen on trading much for him.
One year deal too would be nice.....
It doesn't say anywhere that Simmonds has survived, until i see that im still under the impression that he will be moved on!
With Vickery, Graham, Browne, Pattison and Putt while not the best ruck division by any stretch will certainly be servicable. Patto has his games where he is very useful and has shown he will put his head over the ball, it just his skills and decision making that is his downfall! Hardwick can work with that.
Browne will be ok i think. it was only his First year so time is on his side and Gus has been around for a while but like patto showed glimpses early this year, definantly something to work with IMO
With Vickery, Graham, Browne, Pattison and Putt while not the best ruck division by any stretch will certainly be servicable. Patto has his games where he is very useful and has shown he will put his head over the ball, it just his skills and decision making that is his downfall! Hardwick can work with that.
Browne will be ok i think. it was only his First year so time is on his side and Gus has been around for a while but like patto showed glimpses early this year, definantly something to work with IMO
perhaps, there may be a view to trade him...reduces his currency some if we sack him now
Totally Agree, Simmo has to be moved on!
If he is still there, then I will deeply consider whether I buy a membership or not. He is the worst player in the AFL, by a mile.
Next year, we will have Gus as number 1 with Patto and Vicks changing as no.2. Add to that Browne developing on the rookie list and another young ruck with a late pick or a rookie and we look ok in the ruck division.
I think a lot of you plebs on here have no knowledge about the game of aussie rules because you've never played at senior level.
Blokes like Graham, Tuck, Polo, etc simply do not have the footy smarts to succeed at this level, and the quicker they are relieved of their positions at the club the sooner we will have a better team of footballers.
Graham has no skill, no ball sense, no agility, can not bend over to pick up a dollar, he is shite and the epitomy of the type of player we have persisted with for far too many years.
HARDWICK - first thing you should do, get rid of those who we all know will never ever be footballers!
Blokes like Graham, Tuck, Polo, etc simply do not have the footy smarts to succeed at this level, and the quicker they are relieved of their positions at the club the sooner we will have a better team of footballers.
Graham has no skill, no ball sense, no agility, can not bend over to pick up a dollar, he is shite and the epitomy of the type of player we have persisted with for far too many years.
HARDWICK - first thing you should do, get rid of those who we all know will never ever be footballers!
bragg
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Simmonds could actually be worse than Ben Marsh .......
Outstanding Post....
Cant believe he was not told it was his last game.
Really cant believe he got back into the side to be honest.
telsor
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The reason he made it back is the only reason he might be kept on.
Rucking at AFL level is hard, physical and exhausting. Both Graham and Vickery needed a rest towards the end of the year because they couldn't keep up. You can't just pick an 18 year old and expect him to play.
Basic list management at most teams would have 3 players who are genuinely able to do the job, and another 1 or two in development.
Browne is woefully unfit..He's a big unit, and has potential, but he's at least 2 years away, probably 3 or 4. We rookied him to see if 2 years on an AFL list could make a top footballer of him, not because he's up to the job now.
Vickery held up OK, but he's a long way short of 22 games a year as a ruckman.
Next year, Patto & Graham should be able to play 22 games as ruckmen, but only barely.
That's 'enough', but even one serious injury, and we'd be in big trouble, thus Simmonds could well get another year as 'insurance'. (1 year, minimum wage, probably playing mostly for Coburg 2nds, take it or leave it offer). Alternatively, find someone 22-25 from a second tier league ( or recent discard ) and use them as backup.
Either way they should grab another rookie ruckman. (my theory is grab 1 every year, then after 2 years, either promote them or reject them).
Rucking at AFL level is hard, physical and exhausting. Both Graham and Vickery needed a rest towards the end of the year because they couldn't keep up. You can't just pick an 18 year old and expect him to play.
Basic list management at most teams would have 3 players who are genuinely able to do the job, and another 1 or two in development.
Browne is woefully unfit..He's a big unit, and has potential, but he's at least 2 years away, probably 3 or 4. We rookied him to see if 2 years on an AFL list could make a top footballer of him, not because he's up to the job now.
Vickery held up OK, but he's a long way short of 22 games a year as a ruckman.
Next year, Patto & Graham should be able to play 22 games as ruckmen, but only barely.
That's 'enough', but even one serious injury, and we'd be in big trouble, thus Simmonds could well get another year as 'insurance'. (1 year, minimum wage, probably playing mostly for Coburg 2nds, take it or leave it offer). Alternatively, find someone 22-25 from a second tier league ( or recent discard ) and use them as backup.
Either way they should grab another rookie ruckman. (my theory is grab 1 every year, then after 2 years, either promote them or reject them).
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simmonds was great in 08!!! IMO
simmonds of 09 is a different story! he needs to go and i think he will, he hasn't survived the chop, get the facts first , there hasn't been any chop yet!!!!
simmonds of 09 is a different story! he needs to go and i think he will, he hasn't survived the chop, get the facts first , there hasn't been any chop yet!!!!
i dont think to many people on here have played at a high level. so, that doesnt affect how we watch football and take notes.
so you want us to chuck out our best ruckmen this year?
so if you want us to delist Tuck, Polo and Graham there must be alot more you want to see leave.
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You didn't watch the first half of the season?
He was the complete opposite to what you described during that period and obviously isn't fully fit at the moment. Isn't moving well at all recently. The club said he was playing with virus and injury recently
AFL seniors? QLD bush seniors?
or we take it a bit further and say only the best on an AFL list know what it takes to become the best....crap! why did we get Hardwick....we are doomed.
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Simmonds is nowhere near as bad a player as some people in here believe.
Keeping Simmonds allows us to play Vickery in the ruck 40-50% of the time, whether he is playing in tandem with Graham or Simmonds.
The last thing we want is Vickery (who is still developing physically) being jumped into all year by gorillas like Sandilands and Jolly. If Graham or Simmonds are injured, Vickery will have to do too much ruck work for the year and likely f**k his body up.
Keeping Simmonds for one more year is very good list management.
Keeping Simmonds allows us to play Vickery in the ruck 40-50% of the time, whether he is playing in tandem with Graham or Simmonds.
The last thing we want is Vickery (who is still developing physically) being jumped into all year by gorillas like Sandilands and Jolly. If Graham or Simmonds are injured, Vickery will have to do too much ruck work for the year and likely f**k his body up.
Keeping Simmonds for one more year is very good list management.
haha. Would have to agree with you all in saying that there is absolutley no place in the afl for Troy Simmonds anymore.
Graham and Vickery are definately our ruckman for the future.
However, i also agree that alll clubs need 3 ruckman, having 1 as a back up.
But this 3rd ruckman should DEFINATELY NOT BE PATTISON OR BROWNE.
Patto has had his chances and now his time is up.
Browne is one of Wallace's mates (remember he played him in round 1 this year, what a stupid move that was), and is prob the slowest bloke i have ever seen. Yes, even slower than Pattison!
I think that Richmond will look at Mark Seaby, as they did last year, and I believe he would be a good addition to the club.
He is still young, is a premiership ruckman, and wants to come to victoria, and judging from last year is keen on Richmond.
Any thoughts??????
Graham and Vickery are definately our ruckman for the future.
However, i also agree that alll clubs need 3 ruckman, having 1 as a back up.
But this 3rd ruckman should DEFINATELY NOT BE PATTISON OR BROWNE.
Patto has had his chances and now his time is up.
Browne is one of Wallace's mates (remember he played him in round 1 this year, what a stupid move that was), and is prob the slowest bloke i have ever seen. Yes, even slower than Pattison!
I think that Richmond will look at Mark Seaby, as they did last year, and I believe he would be a good addition to the club.
He is still young, is a premiership ruckman, and wants to come to victoria, and judging from last year is keen on Richmond.
Any thoughts??????
tigerdan
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We got good value out of Simmonds while he's been at the club. Unfortunately for him I think he's past it at the top level.
I think Graham will basically be an honest plodder at best. Would be surprised if we delisted him this year as we don't have anyone ready to replace him next year. Not sure why Pattison went out of favour - I would have thought he was the logical one to take over the reins and as a utility type ruckman I thought he showed promise.
I'd rather we delist Simmonds and pick up a delisted ruckman from another club. Might get another Ben Marsh but might get another Greg Dear.
I think Graham will basically be an honest plodder at best. Would be surprised if we delisted him this year as we don't have anyone ready to replace him next year. Not sure why Pattison went out of favour - I would have thought he was the logical one to take over the reins and as a utility type ruckman I thought he showed promise.
I'd rather we delist Simmonds and pick up a delisted ruckman from another club. Might get another Ben Marsh but might get another Greg Dear.
thats why we keep patto.
Kickett Punches Read
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hahahahahahahah.... thankyou, funniest thing i have seen in a week. i had forgot about marsh, was a premiership player though, maybe even dual, joke of a player
Simmonds is finished. Pattison and Graham are not good enough.
If Hardwick is serious all three will go. We will need to draft a couple of young rucks and a youngish recycled with potential.
Doesn't leave much for next year but next year is about development. No need to waste a spot on a second rate 'insurance' option.
Browne Vickery Putt Gourdis and maybe Polak if medically passed are it ATM plus recruits
If Hardwick is serious all three will go. We will need to draft a couple of young rucks and a youngish recycled with potential.
Doesn't leave much for next year but next year is about development. No need to waste a spot on a second rate 'insurance' option.
Browne Vickery Putt Gourdis and maybe Polak if medically passed are it ATM plus recruits
tigerdan
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Next year may well be about development, but if we get rid of all three we are going to get smashed in the ruck all over the ground. That wont help anyone's development (onballers too). We need some cannon fodder to contest the ball against mature bodies in the ruck.
In any case we've got bigger fish to fry with delistings. Lets just add Simmonds to the pile and keep Graham and Pattison so that we don't destroy our young ruck prospects. Rotate them off the bench once the sting is out of the game, no need to crucify them.
Why keep players who wont make it - lets find a Charman type to be the cannon fodder and give real game time to Vickery and Browne who are smart players and can mark the ball. Browne will need to work on his engine and distance kicikng but his ruckwork and overall skills are good and he is more developed than Vickery physically at this stage.
Cant see why Gourdis or Polak (who has rucked at Coburg) cant be thrown in there as well. Both big strong and youngish. Much prefer to see Gourdis running around as opposed to Pattision or Graham who only give you grief and clangers!! RFC must cut its losses now or else another wasted 5 years will be upon us!! Hardwick has the green light to chop and chop he must
telsor
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Is it too late to nominate this for 'clueless post of the season'?
Browne and Vickery would be physically spent by round 6, Putt rarely plays ruck even for Coburg, Polak is too short to be anything but a poor mans 3rd option and Gourdis is only just over 190cm.
Whilst Pattison and Graham cannot jump, catch, handball or kick the ball.
My post above suggests getting new rucks to assist. We shouldn't waste time however on players that wont make it. I would have thought that was a no brainer but apparently not.
Are we playing finals next year with Gus and Patto as our secret weapons?
David is 193 cm. At the 2007 draft camp, he was clocked for 20m at 2.83
He has an extraordinarily good leap, with a standing VJ of 81cm that puts him top of the class, a running RVJ of 101 also top of the class, and a running LVJ of 86.
Enough to get over Patto I'd reckon.
Hey just let the kid loose and see if he can play. The game has moved quickly to quick mobile ruckmen like Ryder and Clarke. Dont think Gourdis is a ruckman but I'm sure Pattision and Graham aren't.
Simmonds is about 195cm.
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