How will Collingwood cope with being "The Hunted" in 2011?

How will Collingwood fare in 2011?

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After winning the flag the Pies are going to be hunted by every other club next year like there's no tomorrow. Just ask Geelong how that felt this year.
Of course the big difference is that Collingwood doesn't enjoy one of the strongest home ground advantages in the AFL, nor does it have the oldest list in the comp filled with strong bodied, experienced players like Geelong did.

Let's take a look at Collingwood's list shall we?

Beams 43 games
Brown 50 games
Dawes 30 games
Macaffer 26 games
Reid 29 games
Sidebottom 36 games
Wellingham 52 games

How do you reckon these blokes will go being hunted week in, week out by teams desperate to prove they can match it with the premiers?
Not to mention that they will all have their games closely scrutanized by other clubs over the summer, not something you'd think would've occured last year.


Then we come to the Pies more experienced players.

Luke Ball - Career is clearly tapering off, cannot get better.
Leigh Brown - Has been lucky to have a good year, still a question mark over him.
Travis Cloke - Good contested mark, pity the rest of his game is rubbish.
Leon Davis - Has he become the biggest running joke in football?
Alan Didak - Notoriously soft front runner. Poor in big games.
Darren Jolly - Top ruckman, but now past his prime.
Nick Maxwell - Permanent third man up who struggles with direct opponents.
Harry Obrien - Great at bouncing the footy. Overrated at everything else.
Scott Pendlebury - Solid midfielder creator who will cop a lot of added attention next year.
Simon Prestagiacomo - One dimensional stopper, either finished or on the way out.
Dane Swan - Glorified accumulator who's game relies on unlimited rotations and not being tagged.
Dale Thomas - Much improved. Is now a good, average AFL player.

Looking at that list, three things really stick out:

- Collingwood has an awful lot of grossly overrated players (hello Herald Sun!)
- Collingwood is chock full of flat track bullies who crumple under sustained pressure
- For a "young" team Collingwood sure has a lot of blokes who are nearing the end of their careers


And so the question becomes how will this bunch of "unlikely heroes" cope with being the #1 Target of season 2011?
My prediction is not nearly as well as Collingwood fans are hoping.

There are a lot of similarities that can be drawn between Hawthorn of 2008 and Collingwood of 2010. Firstly a blend of lots of young, enthusiastic kids and a bunch of older, stalwart players getting close to the end of their careers.
Second, a gameplan that took opposing teams by surprise.

Of course it goes without saying that this year's Collingwood team is no-where near as talented as Hawthorn of 2008. But then their GF opponent was no-where near as formidable as Geelong of 2008 either.
Despite that, against the predictions of many Hawthorn & non Hawthorn fans alike the Hawks failed dismally to back up in 2009 after copping several crucial and unforseen retirements, a bad run with injuries generally, and the rest of the league waking up to how to counter it's gameplan - not to mention the pressure of being Premiers in itself, something many of the Hawks' younger players obviously struggled with.

While there's no reason to think Collingwood will suffer a similar bad run of luck to the Hawks of 2009, there's no getting away from the fact that many of their players are similarly inexperienced and are going to be thrown into the deep end in 2011 - for 22 weeks straight.
I'm sure Malthouse will do everything he can to keep their heads level and their confidence up, but there are lots of excellent reasons why most teams fail to go back to back and I've listed some of those here.

Don't be surprised if the Collingwood of 2011 is only a shadow of 2010.
 

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Whilst I fully expect sides with either figure a way around their game plan, or adopt it themselves (or a variation), I think they'll have an excellent year. They're top four certainties at the least.

They've got several quality young players who will only get better with another season's experience. They've even got their young battlers like Toovey, who will be able to refine their roles within the side.

Anyway, this thread belongs in Bay 13.
 

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OP is right, our whole list is crap....dunno how we managed to snag a flag with this bunch of hacks, but one thing is certain, the best team in the comp will rise from its slumber and grab the 2011 premiership.
Hawthorn the sleeping giants.

P.S get a clue
 
Collingwood have always been the hunted.

I've been saying for a long time that Collingwood has to play every side at their best regardless of ladder position.

If anything, I'm hoping our demolition of pretty much every side in the comp means we've established some sort of 'fear' in the comp the way Geelong and to a lesser extent St.Kilda did over the last couple of years, which would in fact make our job easier, not harder.

Just read through the OP, and noticed how lolworthy it is. Reading through his summation of our list, you'd think we finished last.

Hey Bosk, you sure you weren't dissecting Hawthorn's list?

You used the words front runners, overrated, crumble under pressure. Sounds more like Hawthorn to me.
 
They'll go back to back

They should.

With the youth of their list, it's potential for improvement and their rivals seemingly going backwards or not yet ready for a tilt at a flag, anythingless than a grand final is a failure.

If anything, I'm hoping our demolition of pretty much every side in the comp means we've established some sort of 'fear' in the comp the way Geelong and to a lesser extent St.Kilda did over the last couple of years, which would in fact make our job easier, not harder.

Perversely, compared to my above comment, given the youth of the Collingwood side and it's perceived lack of superstars; they don't have the aura of the Geelong side (2007-2009) or the Brisbane threepeat team. Teams won't fear them.
 
Perversely, compared to my above comment, given the youth of the Collingwood side and it's perceived lack of superstars; they don't have the aura of the Geelong side (2007-2009) or the Brisbane threepeat team. Teams won't fear them.

Hence why I used the word 'hoping'.
 
So we're in agreement. You won't be feared.

Yes and no.

Yes, because I don't believe we will, but no because you never know what can happen.

If we come out in Round 1 and pulverise St.Kilda, I'd say it might strike just that little bit of "Holy crap, they're even BETTER!" into the comp.

You never know. I know your coach loves us. Heaps the praise on Collingwood every chance he gets.
 
You never know. I know your coach loves us. Heaps the praise on Collingwood every chance he gets.

Especially your mid-field rotations. I expect a lot of teams will attempt to emulate your even-ness and depth in that department. Explains, partly why we're after Grigg and Houli, who wouldn't necessarily be best 22 players.
 
GF1 is a lot harder than any team will play in the H&A as the umpires would be out of breath trying to stop the contest and the reports would mean that both clubs couldn't field a reserve team the next round. We didn't come out on top on the scoreboard in the second half but St Kilda didn't blow us off the park either.

If opposition teams haven't already been watching videos of the preliminary finalist, semi finalist, preliminary finalist for the last three years then they need to sack their video departments. Video watching from this season would be more about improving their own team's tactics rather than concentrating on defeating one team and ignoring the other 15 teams. Two wins per season won't get you to finals even if it is the pre season favourite. The two Melbourne games may be watched in the week leading up to playing Collingwood but only for direct matchups, not huge tactical variations.
 
Oh dear. This is the kind of response I was hoping for :thumbsu:

Why? Everybody loves beating Collingwood. The fact that we won the flag wont make opposition teams try any harder than they always had in the past.

Theres nothing radical about our game-plan that requires opposition coaches to reinvent themselves - we just happened to be the best side this year.

The only thing I think opposition sides will experiment with is the "Leigh Brown" role. If they can find a Leigh Brown in their list. Very few sides will use two specialist ruckmen next year.

Rumours about our high rotations being the difference are exaggerated.
 

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