Strategy How would you fix free agency?

[Stamos]

As people have said, the easiest and best fix is to scrap compensation.
And lower the salary cap floor.

If they absolutely must have compensation then there should only be 3 bands, and they should be at the end of the first 3 rounds. So the best compo pick you can get is #19.
I'd scrap the Restricted/matching part as well.

 

[PenAndPaper]

But he wasn't officially a free agent so it's an irrelevant example.

Why was he not officially a free agent?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Why was he not officially a free agent?

No paperwork was filed.

 

[PenAndPaper]

No paperwork was filed.

lmao, yep we are done here, comprehension is not your strong point.

 

[Keystone agony]

Add in extra band compos

Mid 1st round
Mid 2nd round

Have an exact formula tabled

 

[Sweet Jesus]

lmao, yep we are done here, comprehension is not your strong point.

As an example of free agents not being able to move freely, you pointed to Patrick Dangerfield who was never a free agent but got to his club of choice nonetheless.

Your example doesn't support your point.

Do you know how to make an argument?

 

[PenAndPaper]

As an example of free agents not being able to move freely, you pointed to Patrick Dangerfield who was never a free agent but got to his club of choice nonetheless.

Your example doesn't support your point.

Do you know how to make an argument?

I'll make it really SIMPLE for you to understand.

1. Dangerfield was a RFA.
2. He didn't move as such because Geelong made a trade as Adelaide would have matched the bid.
3. You seriously need to work on your comprehension.

If you don't get this then good luck with your future endeavours.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

1. Dangerfield was a RFA.
2. He didn't move as such because Geelong made a trade as Adelaide would have matched the bid.
3. You seriously need to work on your comprehension.

If you don't get this then good luck with your future endeavours.

So he wasn't officially a RFA. Your first point is erroneous on the facts.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

PenAndPaperJosh are you feeling OK?

 

[Dan12]

Scrapping free agency seems like a more complete solution than scrapping compensation.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Scrapping free agency seems like a more complete solution than scrapping compensation.

Disagree - takes any power away from the players who have played for 8+ years at an employer they had no choice over.

Why should a club has complete rights to a player because they used a draft pick 8+ years earlier.

The issue is compensation - scrap it - it's the fairest and easiest solution

Then if a club really wants to keep a long term player - they match the terms.

 

[Robroy22]

Unfortunately it can't work like that in its current form. Gold Coast for instance have to pay 95% of their cap, so when they lost Lynch they didn't suddenly have a war chest to go after opposition players as they were still paying almost as much in their salary cap as Richmond, the team that took Lynch were.

If you want to get rid of compensation then you need to drastically lower the salary cap floor so clubs at the bottom of the ladder who have just lost a star player can build a war chest and go after player or two from other clubs.

Not in my scheme Runvs....I'd like to re-open free trade. Club budgets would have to be transparent to their members as well as the AFL auditors and TPP's would be available to all. Clubs would have their OWN budgets (no caps on player payments or support staff) and everyone (coaches and players) can move freely if they choose to. I know it seems too simple, but just let the market decide the $$$. Then we'll see what real club culture and self discipline mean. The communistic "everyone deserves a turn" market we have now has been totally exploited by certain clubs and list managers to the point of secrecy, lies and rumour. The only ones winning are the player managers and the click bait media.

 

[dazedjosh]

Not in my scheme Runvs....I'd like to re-open free trade. Club budgets would have to be transparent to their members as well as the AFL auditors and TPP's would be available to all. Clubs would have their OWN budgets (no caps on player payments or support staff) and everyone (coaches and players) can move freely if they choose to. I know it seems too simple, but just let the market decide the $$$. Then we'll see what real club culture and self discipline mean. The communistic "everyone deserves a turn" market we have now has been totally exploited by certain clubs and list managers to the point of secrecy, lies and rumour. The only ones winning are the player managers and the click bait media.

Without a cap you'll just see the richest clubs win every time. It will be like the Premier League with a handful of rich clubs buying up every player and coach that shows any promise. I wouldn't want the AFL to go down that path. It would basically be West Coast winning every other premiership.

 

[Astro35]

Without a cap you'll just see the richest clubs win every time. It will be like the Premier League with a handful of rich clubs buying up every player and coach that shows any promise. I wouldn't want the AFL to go down that path. It would basically be West Coast winning every other premiership.

Sounds good to me

 

[Astro35]

Just get rid of compensation for FA. Simple.

 

[TheBoss]

I don't think there should be any compensation for losing a free agent but then I also think that the minimum salary cap spend should be removed. This will allow those teams rebuilding and who have bottomed out to save money and then be able to offer massive contracts for players from the top teams.
I feel the issue is it just seems that it's made the bottom teams get raided by the top teams so this may give the opportunity for bottom teams to return favour.

Although honestly I don't think there is any perfect method and no way of making everyone happy with free agency.

Salary cap is a mechanism to distribute talent throughout the league.

If there is no salary cap then West Coast will outspend the rest of the competition.

 

[TheBoss]

Unfortunately it can't work like that in its current form. Gold Coast for instance have to pay 95% of their cap, so when they lost Lynch they didn't suddenly have a war chest to go after opposition players as they were still paying almost as much in their salary cap as Richmond, the team that took Lynch were.

If you want to get rid of compensation then you need to drastically lower the salary cap floor so clubs at the bottom of the ladder who have just lost a star player can build a war chest and go after player or two from other clubs.

AFLPA will never agree to lowering the salary floor.

 

[Dank Academy]

Fix Free Agency? Easy:

Remove AFL House from the process as much as humanly possible.


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[Tippett2Goal]

Pretty simple scrap compensation, make draftee contracts longer.
Get rid of massive backending / front ending contracts by forcing each year to be within 10% of their average over life of contract.

 

[cryptor]

I have in the last few years been a huge proponent of ditching the traditional formula of the draft and moving to a points based system, where teams are awarded points based on where they finished in the year, obviously with 18th receiving a lot more points than 1st.

I am copying and pasting this idea from a thread I made two years ago

Eg, and using the AFL points system

18th position - 4647 points
17th position - 4088 points
16th position - 3740 points
15th position - 3478 points
14th position - 3263 points
13th position - 3077 points
12th position - 2913 points
11th position - 2765 points
10th position - 2631 points
9th position - 2504 points
8th position - 2388 points
7th position - 2279 points
6th position - 2174 points
5th position - 2077 points
4th position - 1983 points
3rd position - 1894 points
2nd position - 1809 points
1st position - 1726 points

For trading it would be really really simple as clubs trade points and as a result every player is given a much fairer value since for instance if Fremantle wanted to, they would be able to get the Hogan deal done immediately, and they would not be reliant on waiting for picks they may receive from Brisbane. No, they could simply give 2500 points for instance to Melbourne in exchange for Hogan.

Then it comes to the draft, and I am sure some of you are wondering how that would work but for the draft the AFL sets up a blind auction. For those who don't know a blind auction is

In this type of auction, all bidders simultaneously submit sealed bids, so that no bidder knows the bid of any other participant. The highest bidder pays the price they submitted.

So the AFL sets up a day a few weeks before the draft, where all clubs are each in front of a laptop or something like that, and then the AFL calls for bids on pick 1. If a team wants to, they can blow all their points in an attempt to get pick 1, but if they do so it means having super super crappy picks afterwards.

So lets say for instance the bidding on pick 1 goes

Gold Coast - 6800
Carlton - 6500
Western Bulldogs - 6451

Gold Coast would win the bid, and pick 1 would be awarded to Gold Coast.

Gold Coast may have just blown all their points in an attempt to secure pick 1, but they got it, but it does mean their next draft pick will be super super crappy, something at least pick 74.

We could get down to pick 9 here, and Richmond decide that this is their time to strike, them spending half their points on pick 9, and then the other half to secure pick 10, but they have no points after that

Geelong may decide they want to go after pick 12, and when they secure it they have plenty of points left over, allowing them to pick up plenty of cheap picks in the 30's.

This goes all the way to pick 73, which is the last pick that has any points value. The teams with the more points obviously have massive advantages going into the draft auction, but even so, they still have to be strategic with how they use their points as they don't want to blow all their points on a single pick, and they also don't know what the other teams are doing either. It would be possible for a team to pay more for a later pick than an earlier one if they are very unlucky.

I know I came up with it, so I am more than a little biased but I love this idea as I think it would open up trading massively and it would also create a huge element of strategy in trading and drafting as well, allowing teams like Port Adelaide and Adelaide (this year) to target picks in an attempt to get the South Australians to their club, or allowing many other strategies for clubs based on where they think their ideal player is going to go in the draft.

Interesting idea. My first thought is: Is it necessary to bid for all the draft picks and then have a draft? Could you not just have it all as one event? So instead of clubs bidding for a chance at a player they could bid for a guaranteed ability to pick their desired player.

In that instance clubs would put their bid in for pick 1. Whoever wins then immediately drafts whoever they want. Then repeat the process for pick 2, and so on. Would take longer to get through but you're also only running one event which would still be timed and there's no need for live trading. The big advantage is that clubs know that they can bid big and if they win they will definitely get who they're after rather than perhaps just a better chance.

 

[Robroy22]

Without a cap you'll just see the richest clubs win every time. It will be like the Premier League with a handful of rich clubs buying up every player and coach that shows any promise. I wouldn't want the AFL to go down that path. It would basically be West Coast winning every other premiership.

So you think players only chase the $$$? Freeing up the competition would allow clubs to distinguish themselves from the rest in any ways they see fit. And it would mean that clubs with the smartest, most diligent recruiters would find the hidden gems a lot more than they do now. Nowadays the kids go through the TAC Cup production line and some get there and others (often equally talented) don't. Lifestyle choices (being close to home, families, wanting to get away) quieter regional areas, and access to education and training would be big sellers for many players. Not everyone wants to live in WA?

 

[TheBoss]

Interesting idea. My first thought is: Is it necessary to bid for all the draft picks and then have a draft? Could you not just have it all as one event? So instead of clubs bidding for a chance at a player they could bid for a guaranteed ability to pick their desired player.

In that instance clubs would put their bid in for pick 1. Whoever wins then immediately drafts whoever they want. Then repeat the process for pick 2, and so on. Would take longer to get through but you're also only running one event which would still be timed and there's no need for live trading. The big advantage is that clubs know that they can bid big and if they win they will definitely get who they're after rather than perhaps just a better chance.

**** it - go one step further and abolish the draft! It is restraint of trade for the prospects, let them negotiate directly with the clubs.

 

[blitzer]

Considering the beneficiaries of free agency and advantageous trades are mostly top clubs benefiting at the expense of lower rated and average clubs I actually don't have a problem with FA compensation being a bit over the top. Its actually needed or else the bottom clubs would just get worse and worse as everyone would flock to the best clubs.

We've already seen the same teams at the top for a while now with only minimal fluctuation. Imagine if you made it even worse for the bottom teams.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

I hope the AFL move to the NBA model. It will never get ticked off by the AFPLA but if players want free agency, let them qualify after 6 years and remove compensation. Clubs have the power to trade a contract without the players consent. Clubs should also be able to trade future picks further than the next years pick. A player that has been at a club for six years can qualify for a “super max” if they make All Australian, an capped amount that can be paid outside of the cap.

 

[cryptor]

fu** it - go one step further and abolish the draft! It is restraint of trade for the prospects, let them negotiate directly with the clubs.

Honestly not the worst idea. As long as the salary cap still applies then what difference does it make? Matt Rowell

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Matt Rowell

Age

23

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

is currently on the standard draftee wage for a player picked with pick 1 which is still less than some older players who also only played a few games this year (some not even due to injury). He'd have no doubt fetched much more than what he's on currently and it would have likely been deserved.