Hurley looks to admit guilty, but not plead guilty...

[UpTheGuts]

For an alleged lawyer (yeah right) you're not very bright. So Hurley has been charged with "demeaning his religion" and Taylor charged with "getting into a scrap and coming out on top"???? Very good legal-ese there

Taylor has been in jail before. He has priors for assault. Yet you're defending him, after your massive confected outrage hissy fit about Hurley.

Why aren't you starting threads demanding that Richmond take action right now?

What action do you believe RFC should immediately take?

4 weeks. And he plays the NAB Cup, so he sees what he's missing.

Forgive me if my verbosity is confusing

 

[DapperDon]

If they were serious, it'd be 12 weeks, but Essendon won't do that because I hear Hurley would throw his toys and head to GC... you do know his contract expires this year, don't you?

Hahahaha, is this like you heard Welsh would either go to Collingwood or only accept one year at Essendon so he could go to the GC?

God you talk shit.


Fact: You are a nobody who posts on BF, you are not a lawyer, and you certainly do not go on O/S business trips.

I'm sick of conversing with you and your constant hypocrisy and lies.

I'm out.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Steve Johnson had a run of issues, not just the 1. Once again you distort the truth to your own convenience. Typical.

Yet I have read on the Essendon board that Hurley was expelled for aggression?

 

[UpTheGuts]

you are not a lawyer, and you certainly do not go on O/S business trips.

I'm sick of conversing with you and your constant hypocrisy and lies.

I'm out.

You make me smile. I am. You are not.

4pm start at KFC?

 

[the fairytales complete]

And, Hurley has 5 charges.... bashing a helpless worker, demeaning his religion etc... very serious. Taylor has been charged with getting into a scrap and coming out on top.

Spot the difference?

Wont someone please think of the children..

You are pathetic. Everybody knows that all these player sanctions are a load of crap and are simply done to appease the hysteria created by the media. You dont give a stuff about whether hurley learns his lesson, if you did you wouldn’t be calling for him to be suspended. Do you think that the threat of missing more games is more of a deterrent than going back to court, possibly to jail. Think about it idiot. When did football clubs or any other work place for that matter, become the ones responsible for punishing people for the crimes committed in our society.

You are only interested in seeing him miss as many games as possible so that it suits you own clubs chances. Why only 6 games. Why not the whole season. Or go for a life time ban. Is that good enough for you?

 

[UpTheGuts]

For an alleged lawyer (yeah right) you're not very bright. So Hurley has been charged with "demeaning his religion" and Taylor charged with "getting into a scrap and coming out on top"???? Very good legal-ese there

Taylor has been in jail before. He has priors for assault. Yet you're defending him, after your massive confected outrage hissy fit about Hurley.

QUOTE]

5 charges (Hurley) assault-related, vs 1 for Troy. Spot the difference.

(hint 5 > 1)

 

[DapperDon]

You make me smile. I am. You are not.

4pm start at KFC?

Never claimed to be a lawyer champ, I look forward to you making my coffee on Saturday.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Wont someone please think of the children..

You are pathetic. Everybody knows that all these player sanctions are a load of crap and are simply done to appease the hysteria created by the media. You dont give a stuff about whether hurley learns his lesson, if you did you wouldn’t be calling for him to be suspended. Do you think that the threat of missing more games is more of a deterrent than going back to court, possibly to jail. Think about it idiot. When did football clubs or any other work place for that matter, become the ones responsible for punishing people for the crimes committed in our society.

You are only interested in seeing him miss as many games as possible so that it suits you own clubs chances. Why only 6 games. Why not the whole season. Or go for a life time ban. Is that good enough for you?

If I'm pathetic, why bother to type?

 

[UpTheGuts]

Never claimed to be a lawyer champ, I look forward to you making my coffee on Saturday.

Coffee is for ladies. Never had one in my life, though I am susceptible to certain other vices.

I thought you were out? Please leave

 

[UpTheGuts]

Wont someone please think of the children..

You are pathetic. Everybody knows that all these player sanctions are a load of crap and are simply done to appease the hysteria created by the media. You dont give a stuff about whether hurley learns his lesson, if you did you wouldn’t be calling for him to be suspended. Do you think that the threat of missing more games is more of a deterrent than going back to court, possibly to jail. Think about it idiot. When did football clubs or any other work place for that matter, become the ones responsible for punishing people for the crimes committed in our society.

You are only interested in seeing him miss as many games as possible so that it suits you own clubs chances. Why only 6 games. Why not the whole season. Or go for a life time ban. Is that good enough for you?

While this sort of attitude continues, heaven help us. What's next, "Boys will be boys"?????

Bashing someone is not on. Spend a few minutes at www.macready-bryan.com and learn something

 

[Lance Uppercut]

4 weeks. And he plays the NAB Cup, so he sees what he's missing.

Forgive me if my verbosity is confusing

it's not verbosity, champ, it's disingenuous loaded rhetoric.

One one hand, the evil Essendon player assaults and demeans the helpless victim.

On the other, the misunderstood Richmond player gets into a playful scrap with 3 people and heroically comes out on top.

Most people who know anything about the cases understand that Taylor is in fact a troubled youth with a poor track record, who will benefit from being in the AFL system, thus deserves a second chance.

Similarly, most understand that Hurley acted inexcusably and like a ********, pure and simple, and should never have reacted the way he did or caused violence; but that the taxi driver initiated the physical confrontation. Hurley, having been relentlessly punished by trial by (international) media, is apparently as remorseful as they come.

That's it.

I don't care about your opinion. I don't care if you want to mindlessly troll. I just want to expose you for the flagrant hypocrite that you are, which I've done.

 

[the fairytales complete]

If I'm pathetic, why bother to type?

Just in case you didnt realise. Glad I could be of assistance with that.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

5 charges (Hurley) assault-related, vs 1 for Troy. Spot the difference.

(hint 5 > 1)

so...which of the two has been to jail for assault before?

 

[al ain pie]

Now you're just being racist, what has his religion got to do with anything? tread careful here, I wouldn't want to slander anyone with your big shot lawyer name tag.

Taylor has been charged with assault, same as Hurley (except only one has priors). I thought being a big shot high price lawyer you would have known this.

Richard Ratner, a board-certified psychiatrist since 1973, has many lawyers as patients in his clinical work and also serves as a forensic psychiatrist in bar disciplinary cases and other types of litigation. He says a lot of "psychopathology" takes place in litigation, for a variety of reasons.

First, he notes that lawyers, generally, and litigators, in particular, tend to "have generous helpings of narcissism," which he says can be both good and bad. Narcissistic people, he states, "want to go out of their way to shine and make themselves look terrific." This is a good thing to the extent it motivates them to work hard and be prepared.

The problem, he says, comes when you put such people in the crucible of litigation, which after all is a competition with winners and losers. He says that this competition aspect creates a polarization of issues and, for narcissistic people, places their fragile egos directly onto center stage.

Ratner explains that extremely narcissistic people are so "needy for the affirmation of success," that the idea of losing is seen as unbearable. They will therefore use the psychological defenses of "rationalization" and "denial" to enable themselves to intentionally mislead -- and even lie -- if they believe that is the only way to win.

Ratner states that as a result of this rationalization and denial, they do not see themselves as having done anything wrong. Instead, they see themselves as justified , because they were acting for a "higher purpose." He explains that the power of rationalization can be enormous. It can even be seen in such horribly extreme examples as when the killing of innocent civilians by terrorists is seen as "heroic."

 

[TeamHurley]

Statment up on the bombers page.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7237

Done from the NAB cup and challenge with more to follow.

Given that we will most likely be knocked out of the NAB cup tommorrow and Hurley is probably still revcovering from is wrist op, I think this has turned out rather well


Who cares about Troy Tailor just another pleb who wont make it in the AFL.

 

[GuzzLG]

While this sort of attitude continues, heaven help us. What's next, "Boys will be boys"?????

Bashing someone is not on. Spend a few minutes at www.macready-bryan.com and learn something

What right does a football club have to punish anyone for something the legal system has already punished them for?

Let's get this straight. Geelong didn't punish Steve Johnson or Matthew Stokes. They sent them away from the club in order for them to turn their lives around and improve themselves as people and therefore footballers. Purely self-interest. It's not a case of punishing someone because they deserve it. It's immoral for a club to think they can second guess our legal system and hand out their own punishment.

Essendon have no duty or right whatsoever to punish Hurley. They will make a decision in their own self-interest to benefit themselves and Hurley. Nobody on this forum cares about any broad notions of justice. Instead you are bitter because he's a gun footballer and he will help Essendon win games. You'd all much rather he was suspended for as many games as possible for this reason. If you honestly thought that some sort of lack of punishment will be to our detriment, you would all be hoping that we take no action at all.

 

[UpTheGuts]

it's not verbosity, champ, it's disingenuous loaded rhetoric.

One one hand, the evil Essendon player assaults and demeans the helpless victim.

On the other, the misunderstood Richmond player gets into a playful scrap with 3 people and heroically comes out on top.

Most people who know anything about the cases understand that Taylor is in fact a troubled youth with a poor track record, who will benefit from being in the AFL system, thus deserves a second chance.

Similarly, most understand that Hurley acted inexcusably and like a ********, pure and simple, and should never have reacted the way he did or caused violence; but that the taxi driver initiated the physical confrontation. Hurley, having been relentlessly punished by trial by (international) media, is apparently as remorseful as they come.

That's it.

I don't care about your opinion. I don't care if you want to mindlessly troll. I just want to expose you for the flagrant hypocrite that you are, which I've done.

"Most people". I long to come up against someone in court silly enough to use such words. It would be a right chuckle.

So as Hurley is (apparently) sorry he whacked this guy, ripped off his turban and kicked him in the nuts (seriously, who does that????????). OK, no probs. If he's sorry, then let's just forget it shall we?

 

[dockers_bengals]

This is the sort of s.h.i.t. that upsets me most, not just with this incident but with footballers in general. Football clubs are not dealing with robots, they are dealing with human beings.

These human beings also have a right to go out and have a bit of fun, but media scrutiny is making every little incident seem magnified. The Carlton incident at the Crown would not have even been mentioned in the papers 10 years ago, but now we have 3 blokes suspended from the club and ordered to "boot camp" for three weeks. Pure PR dribble to appease the media and the footballer followers.

Footballers are given every opportunity in the world to better themselves with all the courses and assistance they are given these days. If they chose to not follow them or have moment/s of weaknesses, they have to take responsibility for them. i.e. Stokes incident should not be an indictment on Geelong, but on Stokes himself.

You know it makes sense...

Yeah it does
If they stuff up during their free time why should the club fine them for the incident?Surely they aren't accountable for them 24/7.They should only penalise the player for breaking the club rules.
That doesn't mean they shouldn't help them if they have a problem though.

 

[the fairytales complete]

"Most people". I long to come up against someone in court silly enough to use such words. It would be a right chuckle.

So as Hurley is (apparently) sorry he whacked this guy, ripped off his turban and kicked him in the nuts (seriously, who does that????????). OK, no probs. If he's sorry, then let's just forget it shall we?

Is that you Dennis Denuto?

 

[Knight Ryders]

Yes, Essendon have come down very tough on him.

I think part of the education process should be for him to be slapped with lettuce leaves by the coach every day from now until the first NAB Cup match on the weekend. One couldn't ask for a tougher penalty than that.

I'm just getting on the phone to Knighter to state that Harmesy 7 thinks that the sanction is not nearly enough and that we should reconsider. We can't have opposing team's supporters mocking our discipline...

The incident is very serious, but it needs to be judged by the club on an individual basis. If he is contrite for his actions and not simply because he got caught and wants to make amends, then this duly needs to be taken into consideration. This is one incident - he has no other misdemeanours. It is serious, but it appears out of character...

 

[UpTheGuts]

Is that you Dennis Denuto?

No water required, thanks

 

[UpTheGuts]

What right does a football club have to punish anyone for something the legal system has already punished them for?

Let's get this straight. Geelong didn't punish Steve Johnson or Matthew Stokes. They sent them away from the club in order for them to turn their lives around and improve themselves as people and therefore footballers. Purely self-interest. It's not a case of punishing someone because they deserve it. It's immoral for a club to think they can second guess our legal system and hand out their own punishment.

Essendon have no duty or right whatsoever to punish Hurley. They will make a decision in their own self-interest to benefit themselves and Hurley. Nobody on this forum cares about any broad notions of justice. Instead you are bitter because he's a gun footballer and he will help Essendon win games. You'd all much rather he was suspended for as many games as possible for this reason. If you honestly thought that some sort of lack of punishment will be to our detriment, you would all be hoping that we take no action at all.

Please don't judge me by your standards. I aim a little higher

 

[GuzzLG]

Please don't judge me by your standards. I aim a little higher

Your motivations are completely transparent. Everybody can see through it.

For a supposed officer of the court you don't seem to respect the judicial system very much. You believe a football club has a duty to punish over and above our courts. They have no duty whatsoever. They will do what it best for them.

 

[al ain pie]

"Most people". I long to come up against someone in court silly enough to use such words. It would be a right chuckle.

So as Hurley is (apparently) sorry he whacked this guy, ripped off his turban and kicked him in the nuts (seriously, who does that????????). OK, no probs. If he's sorry, then let's just forget it shall we?

an abridged version

First, he notes that lawyers, generally, and litigators, in particular, tend to "have generous helpings of narcissism," which he says can be both good and bad. Narcissistic people, he states, "want to go out of their way to shine and make themselves look terrific." This is a good thing to the extent it motivates them to work hard and be prepared.

The problem, he says, comes when you put such people in the crucible of litigation, which after all is a competition with winners and losers. He says that this competition aspect creates a polarization of issues and, for narcissistic people, places their fragile egos directly onto center stage.

 

[UpTheGuts]

an abridged version

First, he notes that lawyers, generally, and litigators, in particular, tend to "have generous helpings of narcissism," which he says can be both good and bad. Narcissistic people, he states, "want to go out of their way to shine and make themselves look terrific." This is a good thing to the extent it motivates them to work hard and be prepared.

The problem, he says, comes when you put such people in the crucible of litigation, which after all is a competition with winners and losers. He says that this competition aspect creates a polarization of issues and, for narcissistic people, places their fragile egos directly onto center stage.

Which is not a problem when you win...

I like my new signature...