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Roast Hurley v Watts comparisons
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Also equals no Hird no Thompson no Goodwin etc. Goes both ways.
Watts going on.
Nah, but seriously.
Watts is more of a wingman, while Hurley is a true KPF. You can inherit agility, speed, and body stats - but you can't teach that ambition to turn a game around. I can't see Watts being the type of player to turn a game on it's head, like Franklin can - whereas I can see that with Hurley already. It's the type of thing you want from a KPF, particularly CHF's, since good ones are so hard to come by. And not only that, but he's able to do it on both ends of the ground, on both sides of his body. Of course I'd take Hurley ahead of Watts in this comparison.
And the 9 months in age difference is very minimal. Especially at the age both of them are now. I'm 19, who's finished Year 12, and I'd make Watts look like a pansy. But I guess I'm not one to see Year 12 as an excuse to not eat right/work out. No excuse for Watts - beach muscles ftl.
Also, Hurley debuted at 19, with 0 years before that in the Essendon team - yet he was able to perform at AFL level.
Right now, both are similar in stats - Watts is just a tad taller than Hurley, but he's only a kilo lighter.
With that said, I still think Watts will be a good player for Melbourne.
As for Gumbleton - he's actually proven his ability to create opportunities, take good marks, and kick goals, at an AFL level. He's shown enough last year to suggest that he can become a key player for us in the future. The only thing stopping him is injuries. Watts would crumble if he had Gumby's niggles in recent years - you can't buy determination like that.
Nah, but seriously.
Watts is more of a wingman, while Hurley is a true KPF. You can inherit agility, speed, and body stats - but you can't teach that ambition to turn a game around. I can't see Watts being the type of player to turn a game on it's head, like Franklin can - whereas I can see that with Hurley already. It's the type of thing you want from a KPF, particularly CHF's, since good ones are so hard to come by. And not only that, but he's able to do it on both ends of the ground, on both sides of his body. Of course I'd take Hurley ahead of Watts in this comparison.
And the 9 months in age difference is very minimal. Especially at the age both of them are now. I'm 19, who's finished Year 12, and I'd make Watts look like a pansy. But I guess I'm not one to see Year 12 as an excuse to not eat right/work out. No excuse for Watts - beach muscles ftl.
Also, Hurley debuted at 19, with 0 years before that in the Essendon team - yet he was able to perform at AFL level.
Right now, both are similar in stats - Watts is just a tad taller than Hurley, but he's only a kilo lighter.
With that said, I still think Watts will be a good player for Melbourne.
As for Gumbleton - he's actually proven his ability to create opportunities, take good marks, and kick goals, at an AFL level. He's shown enough last year to suggest that he can become a key player for us in the future. The only thing stopping him is injuries. Watts would crumble if he had Gumby's niggles in recent years - you can't buy determination like that.
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Also probably wouldn't of ended up with Hurley and Heppell. Happy with how things are turning out, this club is finally going places.
This "Rioli/Selwood = challenging" stuff is ridiculous.
While both seem to be sure-fire hits, part of the reason why they excelled so early was because they both walked into premiership sides full of excellent players following their draft years.
Selwood (06) with Geelong's rise to the flag in 07.
And Rioli (07) with Hawthorns rise to the flag in 08.
They were both taken as later picks, ahead of several players - and they both ended up learning from the best.
With that said, both are midfield focused players and they don't take as long as KPF's to fire. Give them a good base to work from, and you can see quick results. Maybe even some overrated calls - which is why I'm still holding out on these two until a little bit later in their careers.
Give Gumbleton (barring injuries) Geelong's midfield and I bet he would have made better inroads early on, despite being a KPF. The same can be said with Myers.
While both seem to be sure-fire hits, part of the reason why they excelled so early was because they both walked into premiership sides full of excellent players following their draft years.
Selwood (06) with Geelong's rise to the flag in 07.
And Rioli (07) with Hawthorns rise to the flag in 08.
They were both taken as later picks, ahead of several players - and they both ended up learning from the best.
With that said, both are midfield focused players and they don't take as long as KPF's to fire. Give them a good base to work from, and you can see quick results. Maybe even some overrated calls - which is why I'm still holding out on these two until a little bit later in their careers.
Give Gumbleton (barring injuries) Geelong's midfield and I bet he would have made better inroads early on, despite being a KPF. The same can be said with Myers.
At the moment Watts is way too slow for AFL football, I don't mean athletically, I mean between the ears.
His stats are inflated by Melbourne teammates giving him easy disposals, particularly last year.
His stats are inflated by Melbourne teammates giving him easy disposals, particularly last year.
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Career wise?
Hurley is averaging 17 disposals with more goals while playing more than half his games in the back while Watts is averaging 12 with less goals lol.
the call has always been give Watts time and he will be a huge talent as a forward.
Melbourne overlooked the likes of a prodigy in Naitanui and two very good midfielders in Rich and Hill for a project player.
It was considered an excellent move by the club, but since then, he hasnt really been unleashed. Now its a question of whether the dees have stifled his development and if he will ever get to the potential he was said to have
The gorilla in the room is Hurley.
Essendon have a strong forward with a massive engine, attack on the ball and an excellent kick on him.
How many of those boxes was Watts supposed to tick?
Melbourne overlooked the likes of a prodigy in Naitanui and two very good midfielders in Rich and Hill for a project player.
It was considered an excellent move by the club, but since then, he hasnt really been unleashed. Now its a question of whether the dees have stifled his development and if he will ever get to the potential he was said to have
The gorilla in the room is Hurley.
Essendon have a strong forward with a massive engine, attack on the ball and an excellent kick on him.
How many of those boxes was Watts supposed to tick?
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The only meaningful thing to compare here is that Hurley is far more developed in his football than Watts is, at this stage.
Both of them have plenty of improvement in them yet, Watts probably more so, if only because his start has been so disjointed.
Both of them have plenty of improvement in them yet, Watts probably more so, if only because his start has been so disjointed.
The hype of Watts pre-draft was that he was "lightning fast" on the lead, whilst Hurley's major downfall pre-draft was that he was too slow on the lead.
It shows how stupid it is to ignore all the major positives of a player pre-draft because of one downfall.
It shows how stupid it is to ignore all the major positives of a player pre-draft because of one downfall.
Watts tore games apart in the juniors. I watched him kick six and give off probably six more in one game. He had the ball on a string. He was rated because he could take a contested mark, could outrun his opponent on the lead and moved like a midfielder when it hit the deck. Hurley was predominantly a defender. He was rated because he was so composed with the ball, had brilliant disposal and rarely ever lost a contest one on one.
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I thought it was Sidebottom who was the first round draft pick for the Pies? I read somewhere (probably BF) that Knights wanted Sidebottom over Hurley.
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That is correct. Knighta badly wanted Rusty, however club intervened and we got Hurley.
I am glad we did get Hurley, but if we had of got Rusty I don't think to many people would be complaining.
Imagine a midfield consisting of Watson, Hocking, Sidebottom, Melksham and Heppell. Gold. But the Hurley/Ryder forward line combination is developing into just as tasty a dish.
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FWIW I think Melksham and Sidebottom are very similar, not to mention Sidebottom was BOG in 08 TAC Final, with Melksham BOG in 09 TAC Final.
So again Hurley was a better choice because we were able to secure Melksham.
Rusty is maybe a little bit more handy in front of the sticks, but Jake can kick a goal and will only improve that side of his game.
BTW How about a Melksham v Scully comparison page, I reckon we won out there too.
So again Hurley was a better choice because we were able to secure Melksham.
Rusty is maybe a little bit more handy in front of the sticks, but Jake can kick a goal and will only improve that side of his game.
BTW How about a Melksham v Scully comparison page, I reckon we won out there too.
According to?
All I've heard is that they were tossing up both. That comes both from what I heard at the time & Knights comments during pre-season.
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If we picked up Sidebottom, Carlton would have definitely taken Hurley instead of Yarran. From memory they had their eye on him for a while leading into the draft. They were crying out for a KPP down back.
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I had a good laugh when I saw this in the paper. Watts is shit. Hurley isn't. End of comparison.
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To be fair, he wasn't actually saying they're comparable; more just rubbing it in how much better Hurley is.
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Hurley will be a monster of the competition.
Hurley IS a monster of the competition, he already has defenders trying to go two up on him and leaving the ground level free.....
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Despite some knowing of Hurleys forward efforts and thinking he would be a good forward lets not forget that at draft time it was Watts the forward v Hurley the Full back.
There was a lot of negative comment around for Knights playing Hurley forward a lot of time.
There was a lot of negative comment around for Knights playing Hurley forward a lot of time.
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Yeah I think this is often forgotten, when Hurley was recruited it was as a two time U18 AA full back. So accussing Melbourne of taking the 'wrong' forward is wide of the mark.
However, with the quality of that draft already looking outstanding, it is slowly becoming apparent that Melbourne REALLY stuffed that pick up - regardless of the intent.
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No matter how good Watts gets i think Hurley will be better so in a way it will always be a stuff up of sorts. Initially it was the Watts v Naitinui debate maybe there should be a Hurley v Naitinui debate or the Hurley v Hill debate or the Hurley v Hartlett debate as well.
It is all very easy now and if i was selecting for Essendon we would have been having the Rich v Hurley debate.
All you can say is thankfully we have Hurley
