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As most of us think ourselves to be pretty handy in the arm chair 'coaching' stakes I thought it might be interesting to hear what you guys think about certain hypothetical scenarios and what you would do if you were Scotty and they arose.

I'm going to kick off with this one, feel free to discuss and when everyone has had a good chop at it then someone can throw forward another

Scenario-
Mooney has season/career ending injury in round 2
Hawkins desperately down on form and can barely get a kick in the 2's (reality maybe?)
Pods is going well but we need more tall forwards as he is being trounced by 2-3 defenders every time the ball goes forward

How do you structure the talls in the forward line?


I would put Otto down forward from the goal square full time and Pods at CHF, Put Blake #1 ruck and West as his back up.

Otto has the goods to beat anyone big enough to stop him on a lead and a great kick and solid mark, also aging and could do with the time off the ball IMO.

Pods certainly has the agility and I think has the smarts to play up the ground, would definitely take away a good defender.

Blake/West could patrol the back line for ruck work after the initial centre clearance and leave the forward ruck work up to either Pods or Otto


Discuss
 
Otto is too slow forward, will get killed running out of defence.

West mainly forward 2nd ruck 30 % of game...Otto can rest in short bursts forward but that's it, no permanent forward.

If we get an LTI as you suggest, we have the perfect solution, may I introduce you to.......Ben Johnson.

I have to admit I don't mind the idea of a ruck being able to sweep across HB and help out too...while I don't like Hawkins in the ruck (foot) and don't think he should ruck, I do like a mobile ruck who can help out with that sort of thing.
 

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I'll use the Robert Walls method.

Hawkins into the ruck and Ling to play as a deep forward
 
Hawkins must go to the traditional Full Forward position but can take some F50 Ruck work.

If needed, Jimmy 3rd man up occasionally.

Move Podsi to pocket to lead wide or put him out further to Half Fward Flank

Drop Blake

West in as Full time Ruck covering from Fowrard 50m Acr, to Backline Ruck work (Hawkins covering F50 ruck wiht Jimmy to help out occasionally).

Mackie to CHF.

Steve Johnson swapping with Chappy to cover the Centre and Forward Pocket roles.


SORTED.
 
Silverado said:
As most of us think ourselves to be pretty handy in the arm chair 'coaching' stakes I thought it might be interesting to hear what you guys think about certain hypothetical scenarios and what you would do if you were Scotty and they arose.

I'm going to kick off with this one, feel free to discuss and when everyone has had a good chop at it then someone can throw forward another

Scenario-
Mooney has season/career ending injury in round 2
Hawkins desperately down on form and can barely get a kick in the 2's (reality maybe?)
Pods is going well but we need more tall forwards as he is being trounced by 2-3 defenders every time the ball goes forward

How do you structure the talls in the forward line?


I would put Otto down forward from the goal square full time and Pods at CHF, Put Blake #1 ruck and West as his back up.

Otto has the goods to beat anyone big enough to stop him on a lead and a great kick and solid mark, also aging and could do with the time off the ball IMO.

Pods certainly has the agility and I think has the smarts to play up the ground, would definitely take away a good defender.

Blake/West could patrol the back line for ruck work after the initial centre clearance and leave the forward ruck work up to either Pods or Otto


Discuss
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Like what you're saying Silver, I just posted that Otto will play as a forward far more this year, on the anti-blake thread.
His sheer bulk and power would worry any Fullback.
Blakes big strong and mature, 2011, he'll hack it on his own with some backup.
Pods CHF, yes, he's a great leadup mark.
 
Pure_Ownage said:
Otto is too slow forward, will get killed running out of defence.

West mainly forward 2nd ruck 30 % of game...Otto can rest in short bursts forward but that's it, no permanent forward.

If we get an LTI as you suggest, we have the perfect solution, may I introduce you to.......Ben Johnson.

I have to admit I don't mind the idea of a ruck being able to sweep across HB and help out too...while I don't like Hawkins in the ruck (foot) and don't think he should ruck, I do like a mobile ruck who can help out with that sort of thing.
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Went to a fair few VFL games last year and just cant see the fuss some make on here about him. Sure he had one or 2 breakout games last year but I hardly noticed him in the games i saw.
 
meto said:
Like what you're saying Silver, I just posted that Otto will play as a forward far more this year
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This will require a big change of game plan. Our game plan demands the big forwards are constantly on the lead. Otto as has been pointed out cannot win the ball on the lead (too slow and lacks agility if it hits the ground in open space). We do not allow quick kicks to a designated spot.

Now - Collingwood are happy to bomb it in quickly to a spot and then press up. Dawes Brown and Cloke force the spill if they can't mark.

That would suit Ottens
 

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Stokes - SJ - Varcoe
Chappy - Pods - Hawkins

Would start off by pushing varcoe and stokes up the ground and leaving SJ one out for about a 10 minute period to hopefully impact in a few ways. 1. Screw with the opposition defensive structure and 2. to create space in the forward line.
If they dont follow their man then we should have numbers around the ball further up the ground and if we have trouble penetrating the 50, then I am confirdent in chappy/hawkins/pods covering the distance from 50-55. They need to sometimes just have a crack at the goals when out there.

Im confirdent in Pods ability to mark on the lead and to be able to pump it in to a dangerous position with SJ at least making a contest, with stokes and varcoe running back in to the space created to crumb.

Obviously this gameplan cant be kept up for a long period as it would create huge congestion and huge work load on the crumbers needing to constantly be running up and down the forward half. But would be good to change up in game when struggling to find the goals.


As a more perminent plan,

Stokes - Hawkins - SJ
Chappy - Pods - Varcoe

All 4 smalls rotating through midfield with Menzel/Motlop/Byrnes taking their positions when they do.

Hawkins needs to have a fixed spot in the forward line, he has the talent, just needs to back himself more and to have the confirdence to go back after marking in range and have a crack at the goals. May improve with the extra responsibility.

This "sharing" philosophy around goals is okay when there is clearly a better option, but when you are a good chance yourself you need to back yourself. No kicking to 50-50 contested marking situations when in range. Pods is good in that he just goes back and goes for goal, Hawkins needs to follow his lead.

Would have West and Ottens in the ruck, Ottens cant play forward for any longer then 5 mins as he's just not fast enough. West I would play forward to give pods or hawkins a break for 5-10 mins a quarter.
 
hbk_aus said:
Went to a fair few VFL games last year and just cant see the fuss some make on here about him. Sure he had one or 2 breakout games last year but I hardly noticed him in the games i saw.
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If he did, then surely you would have noticed him :D

Seriously, the boy was very very good considering this was his first season at the club. He can play.
 
The older and slower Otto gets the less useful he will be as a forward. It will be more difficult for him to separate from an opponent and he will be less able to apply pressure in the back half when we haven't got the ball. In the ruck he will be able to use his strength and experience more to compensate. I say play him in the ruck until he drops and then move him on...
 
Pure_Ownage said:
If he did, then surely you would have noticed him :D

Seriously, the boy was very very good considering this was his first season at the club. He can play.
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I wasnt at the couple of games where he kicked a few. :D In the several other games that i actually saw, he did nothing.
 
Dasher up forward bringing T.Hunt into the back line.
 
I really want to see the Red Mud Crab playing a Max Rooke role next year at CHF.

Captain Crayfish

The Ginger Ninja

You know who I mean!!

Something like this:

HF: Johnson Ling Hawkins
F: Stokes Pods Menzel

Lingy could kick 50 goals up there next year, splitting the stix like he usually does.
 
S for September said:
He's not a great kick at goal though is he? Is going to be his main downfall.
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No his goalkicking is fine...certainly compared to Moons anyway :D

My point was just that he played some really good consistent footy this year (I don't know what game you were at where you confused him with someone else who did nothing :D) , as Amos said, Benny has shown himself to be a really good VFL player, now the challenge is to find out whether he can play at the next level. I agree. Certainly on his 09 form he'll be banging the door down if any of our talls get injured.
 
Silverado said:
As most of us think ourselves to be pretty handy in the arm chair 'coaching' stakes I thought it might be interesting to hear what you guys think about certain hypothetical scenarios and what you would do if you were Scotty and they arose.

I'm going to kick off with this one, feel free to discuss and when everyone has had a good chop at it then someone can throw forward another

Scenario-
Mooney has season/career ending injury in round 2
Hawkins desperately down on form and can barely get a kick in the 2's (reality maybe?)
Pods is going well but we need more tall forwards as he is being trounced by 2-3 defenders every time the ball goes forward

How do you structure the talls in the forward line?


I would put Otto down forward from the goal square full time and Pods at CHF, Put Blake #1 ruck and West as his back up.

Otto has the goods to beat anyone big enough to stop him on a lead and a great kick and solid mark, also aging and could do with the time off the ball IMO.

Pods certainly has the agility and I think has the smarts to play up the ground, would definitely take away a good defender.

Blake/West could patrol the back line for ruck work after the initial centre clearance and leave the forward ruck work up to either Pods or Otto


Discuss
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FB - Enright, Scarlett, J.Hunt/Milburn
HB - T.Hunt, Taylor, Corey
MF - Varcoe, Kelly, Bartel
HF - Mackie, Pods, Byrnes
FF - SJ, Hawk, Ling
FO - Ottens, Chappy, Selwood
IC - Simpson/West, Wojo, Stokes
SUB: Menzel

The line up is subject to form but we could cover Moons going down.
We have a number of players with the versatility to play a number of roles when required.

Mackie to play HFF/Wing is a major plus IMO given he has decent leg speed and a kick on him. Also, we have T.Hunt / Enright / Corey who can all play as an attacking HBF'er.

SJ should play deep forward where he is most dangerous.

Ling to play as a defensive forward ala Maximus Rooke.
 
OK, some plausable arguments made.

Lets have at a new scenario.

PO seeing you had first reply to the previous I think you should throw one forward! then when you are done with it you can choose the next
 

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