I'm not satisfied. Should Essendon be punished for failure to provide Medical Records?

[Masto]

As long as its not just one rule for Essendon. If they don't get punished for not providing medical records then no other club should either

 

[Lance Uppercut]

As long as its not just one rule for Essendon. If they don't get punished for not providing medical records then no other club should either

except, they did get punished. You know, the heaviest penalties in the history of the game?

I love this thread so much. Still going after all this time, and based on an entirely false premise. Short memories eh

 

[Masto]

except, they did get punished. You know, the heaviest penalties in the history of the game?

I love this thread so much. Still going after all this time, and based on an entirely false premise. Short memories eh

No, the punishments were purely for Governance. Essendon actually made sure the ruling made no reference to drugs or the supplement scandal - which was actually dumb in hindsight because in theory it leaves them being open for further punishment!!!

 

[Lance Uppercut]

No, the punishments were purely for Governance. Essendon actually made sure the ruling made no reference to drugs or the supplement scandal - which was actually dumb in hindsight because in theory it leaves them being open for further punishment!!!

er, what exactly do you think governance is, exactly, if it's not about keeping adequate records?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

hmmm, must have missed that

Of course you did.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I can only assume you haven't made yourself familiar with the chain of evidence ASADA presented linking the purchase from china, arrival of the goods into Australia and likely arrival at the EFC. The main problem for ASADA was the inability to prove the purchase made its way into the veins of each and every EFC player named in the case. EFC knows their players were injected with something, ASADA had decent evidence that this something was very likely the banned TB4, but the AFL appointed tribunal didn't feel comfortably satisfied that they were certain enough to find the players guilty - and fair enough too, with the evidence of the actual injected substance no longer in existence, they may have felt the very strong circumstantial evidence was not enough. To say the investigation showed "heck all" is however a massive ostrich manoeuvre. Read the accounts of the proceedings, and the laughable excuses the EFC lawyers put up for why their purchase of TB4 may never have made it into their players veins. I can see why WADA might not want to wade into what is already a complete cluster ****, and EFC better hope they do not. Armstrong was done on less than what ASADA have on the EFC doping program.

Be happy you appear to have got away with it, but don't waste your time trying to convince fans of other clubs that you didn't embark on a massive systematic doping program. Nobody believes you. Non-essendon fans don't believe you, ASADA and WADA certainly don't believe you, and likely the AFL don't believe you. With WADA unlikely to go forward with an appeal, the rest of us will have to satisfy ourselves with the knowledge that the majority of AFL fans consider your club a bunch of dirty drug cheats, and it will likely be generations before he tarnish wears off.

Are you serious? They could barely prove what was brought back was even TB4. Alavi's story torn to shreds. Talk about Ostrich. You clearly need to re-read the report.

As for Armstrong reference.... astonishing tripe.

You sound like you're in tears in your last paragraph, what an extraordinary rant of rubbish.
BTW ..no-one gives a shite what opposition, hate-filled, doesn't-matter-what-flimsy-evidence-is presented supporters like you think.

 

[hk89]

Are you serious? They could barely prove what was brought back was even TB4.
Alavi's story torn to shreds. Talk about Ostrich. You clearly need to re-read the report.

Only an Essendon fan could look at the chain of evidence presented by ASADA and conclude their club didn't try to purchase TB4 and administer it to their players. EFC were lucky the Tribunal hearing was about the guilt of the players not the club, and that the evidence of exactly what went into the players, and when it went in, and how much went in was destroyed. Hird and others involved in administering the program should have got lifetime bans, which is what has happened to those who have overseen similar systematic doping cases in other countries.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Only an Essendon fan could look at the chain of evidence presented by ASADA and conclude their club didn't try to purchase TB4 and administer it to their players. EFC were lucky the Tribunal hearing was about the guilt of the players not the club, and that the evidence of exactly what went into the players, and when it went in, and how much went in was destroyed. Hird and others involved in administering the program should have got lifetime bans, which is what has happened to those who have overseen similar systematic doping cases in other countries.

You're flapping about posting nonsense....give up while you're so far behind.

 

[Xtreme]

Yes they should be punished, the only thing that saved them was the AFL being too scared to do the right thing and ban them all.

 

[davis_756]

except, they did get punished. You know, the heaviest penalties in the history of the game?

I love this thread so much. Still going after all this time, and based on an entirely false premise. Short memories eh

Those penalties were no where near the hardest in the games history,` you basically lost pick 10 and copped a little fine that equate to about 10% of your legal bill over the journey.

 

[BlueWorld]

BTW ..no-one gives a shite what opposition, hate-filled, doesn't-matter-what-flimsy-evidence-is presented supporters like you think.

Yet you're here responding to it because you obviously do.

 

[mxett]

Yes they should be punished, the only thing that saved them was the AFL being too scared to do the right thing and ban them all.

if that was the case ASADA or WADA would have appealed

 

[Xtreme]

if that was the case ASADA or WADA would have appealed

ASADA is not going to waste their time in appealing and getting heard by the exact same tribunal process..... the AFL anti doping tribunal would just keep declaring "not comfortably satisfied". Any other court of law Essendon would be guilty.

 

[mxett]

ASADA is not going to waste their time in appealing and getting heard by the exact same tribunal process..... the AFL anti doping tribunal would just keep declaring "not comfortably satisfied". Any other court of law Essendon would be guilty.

and WADA? CAS is run by the AFL too I gather?

 

[Xtreme]

and WADA? CAS is run by the AFL too I gather?

Well with any luck WADA will appeal at the last minute

 

[mxett]

Well with any luck WADA will appeal at the last minute

and if they dont?

 

[Xtreme]

and if they dont?

The world will spontaneously combust

If they don't then they don't care about systematic doping.

 

[mxett]

The world will spontaneously combust

If they don't then they don't care about systematic doping.

course not. Couldnt possibly be that the AFL tribunal got it right

 

[Xtreme]

course not. Couldnt possibly be that the AFL tribunal got it right

Oh please the only reason why you are "in the clear" is because you shredded all documents.

Poop is going to hit the fan when players start showing side effects from all of the injections and lawsuits happen.

 

[Duckworth]

24 hours to go

 

[mxett]

Oh please the only reason why you are "in the clear" is because you shredded all documents.

Poop is going to hit the fan when players start showing side effects from all of the injections and lawsuits happen.

so it wasnt the corrupt AFL? Try to stick with one story

 

[Duckworth]

from the Age...

"Unless a visit from the magical evidence genie is impending, it is impossible to understand how WADA will do any better,"

 

[Xtreme]

so it wasnt the corrupt AFL? Try to stick with one story

It's a multi faceted conspiracy I tells ya

Essendon shredded the documented evidence of what was taken
The AFL covered up things on their end ensuring the club wasn't rightfully disenfranchised so they don't lose out from tv deals and other merchandising opportunities

 

[Espe]

Maybe it was the corrupt AFL. Or maybe it was Essendon shredding the evidence, or maybe people were paid off or maybe it was aliens, or maybe Dank injected them with drugs with mind control, or maybe Andy D was behind it all, Or maybe George W Bush was behind it all too,

Or maybe the tribunal got it wrong for sure, just cause.

Illuminati confirmed.

 

[KGBeast]

Only an Essendon fan could look at the chain of evidence presented by ASADA and conclude their club didn't try to purchase TB4 and administer it to their players. EFC were lucky the Tribunal hearing was about the guilt of the players not the club, and that the evidence of exactly what went into the players, and when it went in, and how much went in was destroyed. Hird and others involved in administering the program should have got lifetime bans, which is what has happened to those who have overseen similar systematic doping cases in other countries.

LOL you guys are losing it now. ASADAs case was rubbish. Huge gaps in the chain of evidence. No proof that Charter even supplied Dank for Essendons program. No proof that he even sourced TB4. Only a simpleton would believe ASADAs case.