Independent report into Hobart's proposed new stadium has found the costs of the project have been significantly underestimated

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Lol it's public knowledge that the reigning premiers built their list with this philosophy of drafting players from the country instead of the city, for retention purposes. It worked perfectly for them, I think it was the 15 or 16 draft they started this.

They’ve drafted about 4 of their premiership side from the country.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The stadium reaches it use by date, eg needs to be rebuilt.

Current thinking on stadiums is ~25 years is a major refresh, ~50 years lifespan.

Get them right up front and they’ll stand the test of time and prove decent value.

If you’re looking to rebuild in 30 years then you’ve probably got it very wrong (Docklands).

 

[Bjo187]

They’ve drafted about 4 of their premiership side from the country.

It started the turnaround in high picks leaving them and was a deliberate strategy from the club that appeared to work well. I thought everybody knew this, they couldn't retain any high picks prior to this.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It started the turnaround in high picks leaving them and was a deliberate strategy from the club that appeared to work well. I thought everybody knew this, they couldn't retain any high picks prior to this.

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A Recruiting strategy that produced 4 of their 23 premiership players isn’t sustainable and imo is also crap. The very next draft they used two first round picks on players from the city. No doubt you take the player who is less likely to leave but as it’s been shown with Brisbane, it’s unlikely you can build a side around country Vic kids.

 

[Rotayjay]

An infrastructure project going over budget? Never!

 

[errant bounce]

An infrastructure project going over budget? Never!

It's such a stupid pearl clutching, alarmist tangent. it's impossible to budget for a household – phone dies, bills go up, Christmas is coming around – so with as many moving parts as a highway, hospital, or stadium, what do you think is going to happen? a material becomes scarce, workers strike, new legislation or standards inevitably change over four years, a political party might even turn over.

Taxes are constantly pissed away. Robbie Williams 'free concerts,' getting an extra person or two on that interstate work junket, dodgy contracts and agreements, some ex-mayor of a bumpkin small town on a pension and going to parliament house for his free roast dinner...

It's not even worth worrying about, like 70% of public funds are probably grossly or ineptly pissed away.

It is also not a dichotomy. people love the old 'but we need a new hospital!' well that hospital wasn't built in the last 25 years, why will it be now? rail projects are built for plenty of reasons, but it's not because of a straw poll against resourcing services, putting up wages, or a new tourism campaign.

The only known is that you very very rarely look back and go 'jeez that was the wrong time to build that.' there's proposals for 20,000 capacity stadiums with intentionally cheap amenities like no concourses, few exits, food trucks instead of built in kitchens that are budgeted to cost as much as Optus Stadium. and that budget included significant rail creations and upgrades.

 

[T2B_]

It's such a stupid pearl clutching, alarmist tangent. it's impossible to budget for a household – phone dies, bills go up, Christmas is coming around – so with as many moving parts as a highway, hospital, or stadium, what do you think is going to happen? a material becomes scarce, workers strike, new legislation or standards inevitably change over four years, a political party might even turn over.

Taxes are constantly pissed away. Robbie Williams 'free concerts,' getting an extra person or two on that interstate work junket, dodgy contracts and agreements, some ex-mayor of a bumpkin small town on a pension and going to parliament house for his free roast dinner...

It's not even worth worrying about, like 70% of public funds are probably grossly or ineptly pissed away.

It is also not a dichotomy. people love the old 'but we need a new hospital!' well that hospital wasn't built in the last 25 years, why will it be now? rail projects are built for plenty of reasons, but it's not because of a straw poll against resourcing services, putting up wages, or a new tourism campaign.

The only known is that you very very rarely look back and go 'jeez that was the wrong time to build that.' there's proposals for 20,000 capacity stadiums with intentionally cheap amenities like no concourses, few exits, food trucks instead of built in kitchens that are budgeted to cost as much as Optus Stadium. and that budget included significant rail creations and upgrades.

Nail. Head. Hammer

 

[ApplecrossWC]

It's such a stupid pearl clutching, alarmist tangent. it's impossible to budget for a household – phone dies, bills go up, Christmas is coming around – so with as many moving parts as a highway, hospital, or stadium, what do you think is going to happen? a material becomes scarce, workers strike, new legislation or standards inevitably change over four years, a political party might even turn over.

You are missing the main one, the construction companies deliberately underquote to get the contract. The government probably knows this and goes along with it anyway because it's more palatable to the public.

 

[ApplecrossWC]

Giants, Tassie, GC will all be seen as the right move in the years come, and from then on.

People keep saying this but GWS is 14 years old and GC is already 16. How many more years do you think it will be before it will be seen as the "right move"?

 

[Jezzitizle]

People keep saying this but GWS is 14 years old and GC is already 16. How many more years do you think it will be before it will be seen as the "right move"?

I mean, I think many people would already understand why it was the right move.

But if you mean by getting larger crowds, I think that is a 2-3 generations+ thing. I think people need to grow up with the team, bring their kids along and so on.

16 years is nothing, it is a very long term move starting a new club.

 

[errant bounce]

I mean, I think many people would already understand why it was the right move.

But if you mean by getting larger crowds, I think that is a 2-3 generations+ thing. I think people need to grow up with the team, bring their kids along and so on.

16 years is nothing, it is a very long term move starting a new club.

Total cope, I think the Suns have done pretty well considering all the other codes' failures there and the pitiful existence they've had. still not outstanding, though. but GWS is horrible. very very minimal crowd growth, a third of their games outside their own state, but fairly consistent finals and a Grand Final. they are horrible, but Victorians especially have a weird hard on for them.