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Indigenous Rookies ??
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LostinScandinavia
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By giving concessions and recognising divisions based on race, although perhaps in a well meaning way, aren't you reinforcing divisions within Australian society?
ie are they Aboriginal first and then Australian, or just not Australian at all?
ie are they Aboriginal first and then Australian, or just not Australian at all?
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Yeah.. Great Isnt itMore special considerations for aboriginals, just what we need.
like the concession of blankets, knives, scissors and flour for a few million square kilometres of land ?
seriously, this is not about concessions.
I take it you'd rather see your team without the likes of Brett Peake, Troy Cook, Jeff Farmer, Des Headland, Antoni Grover, Roger Hayden and Michael Johnson
Yeah Well After That Long inspirational bull******** you'll be pleased to know that brett peake isnt an aboriginal 'w@nker'
like the concession of blankets, knives, scissors and flour for a few million square kilometres of land ?
seriously, this is not about concessions.
I take it you'd rather see your team without the likes of Brett Peake, Troy Cook, Jeff Farmer, Des Headland, Antoni Grover, Roger Hayden and Michael Johnson
As stated in this thread already - If they have the talent, then they should do the best of their ability to be recognised for it. If your parents were poor and sent you to a pathetic excuse of a school and yet you were intelligent and had a lot of value to offer many businesses around the country - it is your responsibilty to ensure that these individuals are aware of it so they hire you. This is no different.
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Yeah.. Great Isnt it
Yeah Well After That Long inspirational bull******** you'll be pleased to know that brett peake isnt an aboriginal 'w@nker'
mate I already found that out 6 posts ago. read the thread tosser.
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sure, then how about anyone from any race who happens to live in an aboriginal land rights reserve in the middle of a desert or remote island (that happens to have a big fence or sea around it so the rest of us can pretend it doesn't exist).
I can't understand how the AFL can be promoting an AFL pathway for indigenous South African kids and kids in our own backyard get ignored, because a few Australians think that such a policy would be "racist".
If I was in charge of this I wouldn't offer AFL pathways to anyone from overseas. There is more than enough talent within Australia, looking outside it is unnecessary.
It's pretty simple, if you're good enough and just as importantly dedicated enough you can make it. But there should not be any handouts - whether you're white, black, foreign or local, whatever. It's not a question of distance either - Corey Enright comes from some SA town in the middle of nowhere. He made it on talent and commitment, not because of any other reason. As it should be.
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not true, otherwise they wouldn't be looking.
Aussie Rules faces more than competition than ever before not just from other sports like soccer, but computer games and the like, why do you think the AFL needs to invest so heavily in NSW and QLD.
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I'm against indigenous rookie lists. Footy is one of the few areas of society that can claim to be really egalatarian. Generally speaking, if you've got the talent, work hard and display in the major local leagues, then it really doesn't matter what colour your skin is in terms of prospects for an afl career.
Where development can be achieved is by providing facilities and coaching at junior levels and in local leagues so that players with real talent can reach their potential.
Where development can be achieved is by providing facilities and coaching at junior levels and in local leagues so that players with real talent can reach their potential.
They do it to promote the game in NSW and QLD, not because they are short on talent. Are you seriously telling me there aren't enough kids playing footy in Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania for starters to produce future AFL players?
Just because the AFL does something doesn't mean it's necessarily intelligent.
sure, then how about anyone from any race who happens to live in an aboriginal land rights reserve in the middle of a desert or remote island (that happens to have a big fence or sea around it so the rest of us can pretend it doesn't exist).
I can't understand how the AFL can be promoting an AFL pathway for indigenous South African kids and kids in our own backyard get ignored, because a few Australians think that such a policy would be "racist".
Not only would it be perceived as racist... it would perpetuate racism, from the notion that Aboriginals NEED concessions... They dont, they have talent coming out of their arse and recruiters are salivating at the idea of recruiting them.
Your argument is futile champ.
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This thread seems to be attracting a few posters without AFL club nominations .... what interest do you people have anyway ?
Captain Pump
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As much as non-aligned posters annoy me, this thread is surely not anything to do with individual clubs. They are interested in footy, clearly, or they wouldn't be posting here.
On topic, I disagree with an indigenous rookie list. A remote area zoning system (NOT racially defined) might be worthy of a look in however. Good luck sorting out the logistics though.
i would hate to think that we might be missing some of the possible indigenous players out there.
LostinScandinavia
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'Positive-discrimination' is a flawed concept
Any way you look at it, it's discrimination, which is inherently negative
Any way you look at it, it's discrimination, which is inherently negative
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The AFL do a lot of work with Rural aboriginal communities already. Besides the list would be used by clubs to recruit players who are already in the system or kids who just miss out on getting drafted, Not likely they would go searching through the desert.
Yeah,
like the old age pension.
Bloody politically correct ageists.
And why can only the unemployed get the unemployed benefit?
Any way you look at it, it's discrimination, which is inherently negative.
Surely they didn't call it that?
I know it would be meant as a clever/risque type of thing but it's not exactly a laugh a minute subject.
LostinScandinavia
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Wow, you're really clever, considering we're talking about discrimination in a racial context, not factors such as age and financial situation, which apply to everyone in society regardless of race
Disadvantage in our society doesn't apply to everyone equally regardless of race.
So lets not discriminate against those in our society who need special attention like the elderly, unemployed, and yes, some of our more disadvantaged minorities.
You know: there was a survey recently which showed that a staggering 80% odd of Australians put a "fair go" as the most valuable and Australian of Australian values.
Come and join us: You'll feel like a real Ausie
