Opinion INTERNATIONAL Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[Geoffa32]

The failures are not because they are 3rd world as they have plenty of wealth... rather their failures are poor decisions by leaders.

This will come out no doubt.

Will be interesting to see how many of them "wake up" to the fact their Government/infrastructure can't protect them after seeing so many wealthy people lose their homes.


By Government I don't mean the political party in charge, but the actual machinery of Government itself.



World's biggest military/Air Force, and they lease much needed fire suppression aircraft from Canada.....

 

[Geoffa32]

This is the issue... we need to take steps to slow it down or the consequences are it will get worse & as we have unfortunately seen, the cost of these increased extreme weather events are significant in terms of cost.

Yeah but we love our toys too much.

I get laughed at because we have 12 and 8 year old cars. "Yoy need to upgrade "



Lego and sneakers though.......

 

[Mutineer]

Will be interesting to see how many of them "wake up" to the fact their Government/infrastructure can't protect them after seeing so many wealthy people lose their homes.


By Government I don't mean the political party in charge, but the actual machinery of Government itself.



World's biggest military/Air Force, and they lease much needed fire suppression aircraft from Canada.....

A lot of the problem is just like in Australia, greenies at Federal. State and local Government levelmaking it hard or stopping a hell of a lot of prescribed control burns in state parks that happened as a matter of importance only a bit over a decade ago, not allowing cattle to graze in the highlands and keep the undergrowth down that carries the fire.

You only need to talk to the local veteran CFA volunteers in my area in Victoria (Pyrennes Shire) who have had their budgets cut significantly in recent years under the Andrews Government who now have the United Firefighters Union calling the shots statewide.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yeah but we love our toys too much.

I get laughed at because we have 12 and 8 year old cars. "Yoy need to upgrade "



Lego and sneakers though.......

We can still have new toys & with improved technology they can be more environmentally friendly toys.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

A lot of the problem is just like in Australia, greenies at Federal. State and local Government levelmaking it hard or stopping a hell of a lot of prescribed control burns in state parks that happened as a matter of importance only a bit over a decade ago, not allowing cattle to graze in the highlands and keep the undergrowth down that carries the fire.

You only need to talk to the local veteran CFA volunteers in my area in Victoria (Pyrennes Shire) who have had their budgets cut significantly in recent years under the Andrews Government who now have the United Firefighters Union calling the shots statewide.


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Where is this evidence the Greens are against prescribed controlled burns?

All I can find is they support this under expert guidance... so i suspect you are spreading fake news Bicks.

The Australian Greens
https://greens.org.au › filesPDF
A BURNING ISSUE

https://www.foe.org.au/bushfire_disinformation

Factcheck: Is there really a green conspiracy to stop bushfire hazard reduction?

Firefighters are trying to contain dozens of fires across two states, but a familiar blame game has already begun

www.theguardian.com

Feel free to provide evidence showing otherwise.

 

[Mutineer]

Where is this evidence the Greens are against prescribed controlled burns?

All I can find is they support this under expert guidance... so i suspect you are spreading fake news Bicks.

The Australian Greens
https://greens.org.au › filesPDF
A BURNING ISSUE

https://www.foe.org.au/bushfire_disinformation

Factcheck: Is there really a green conspiracy to stop bushfire hazard reduction?

Firefighters are trying to contain dozens of fires across two states, but a familiar blame game has already begun

www.theguardian.com

Feel free to provide evidence showing otherwise.

Where did I say The Greens lefty?

I said the greenies...

Getting a bit eager and desperate now lefty, maybe read what I said not what you thought I said.

I'll accept your apology though.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Where did I say The Greens lefty?

I said the greenies...

Getting a bit eager and desperate now lefty, maybe read what I said not what you thought I said.

I'll accept your apology though.

Where's the proof Bicks that these Greenies are preventing governments to do prescribed burns?

Once again you have made a statement with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Show me the proof & I'll apologise for claiming you are making up fake news again.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Typically you disagree Bicks, but unwilling to provide evidence how greenies are calling the shots for government prescribed burning.

I have shown you environmental groups support prescribed burning & they are going to have more influence than greenies they represent.

You really need to stop taking SkyNews as gospel...

 

[Mutineer]

Where's the proof Bicks that these Greenies are preventing governments to do prescribed burns?

Once again you have made a statement with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Show me the proof & I'll apologise for claiming you are making up fake news again.

Ya ****ed up lefty, so eager to pounce you didn't even read it properly so eager were you to support your lefty mates at The Greens. deflect deflect deflect.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Ya ****ed up lefty, so eager to pounce you didn't even read it properly so eager were you to support your lefty mates at The Greens. deflect deflect deflect.

Yet no proof Bicks.

Zero.nix, Nada, sfa!

You keep making fake news claims with no evidence.

When called out you laugh or disagree, but fail to provide anything to back up your claims.

So predictable & it's so childish you can't have an adult conversation as all based on your SkyNews vibe.

 

[Cap]

I guess possibly slow it down....

But, for as long as us humans have a need to constantly upgrade our toys, we won't fix climate change.


EVs are great cars, but the constant need to upgrade new cars limits their impact on Climate Change.

Absolutely, can't agree more

We should be investing in better PT and the like to reduce car dependency and making out cities walk, cycle and ebike friendly.

There is so much we can do, but we can't even convince many people there is a problem!

 

[adelaidecrows]

A lot of the problem is just like in Australia, greenies at Federal. State and local Government levelmaking it hard or stopping a hell of a lot of prescribed control burns in state parks that happened as a matter of importance only a bit over a decade ago, not allowing cattle to graze in the highlands and keep the undergrowth down that carries the fire.

You only need to talk to the local veteran CFA volunteers in my area in Victoria (Pyrennes Shire) who have had their budgets cut significantly in recent years under the Andrews Government who now have the United Firefighters Union calling the shots statewide.


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I get where you are coming from but the biggest problem is budget cuts. In the case of LA it appears consistent budget cuts and neglect of the fire departments have played a major role. Most states tend to develop cultures of neglect towards something and they do it because no problems arose so they use that as an excuse to commit further budget cuts. Which seems absolutely criminal considering California has wild fires more often than Australia does.

Heads will role. Newsom at this point probably should just step down before he gets turfed out. His government looks to have severely cut the legs out of the LA Firefighting service. No doubt gambling with the odds of major fires happening on his watch.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Absolutely, can't agree more

We should be investing in better PT and the like to reduce car dependency and making out cities walk, cycle and ebike friendly.

There is so much we can do, but we can't even convince many people there is a problem!

Not to mention better rural public transport options to reduce the necessity to drive to the city. A train to victor should never have been shut down, not to mention the Barossa.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Where's the proof Bicks that these Greenies are preventing governments to do prescribed burns?

Once again you have made a statement with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Show me the proof & I'll apologise for claiming you are making up fake news again.

Well to be fair, there would be environmental groups who argue habitat destruction and even though I have no proof it probably does restrict burning. Driving through the Adelaide Hills now is scary. There are so many houses now on one way streets that go off other one way streets that its a disaster waiting to happen. But theres no fire prep. Burning seems to only take place in more rural settings.

 

[Cap]

Not to mention better rural public transport options to reduce the necessity to drive to the city. A train to victor should never have been shut down, not to mention the Barossa.

This is one of my biggest bug bears

Especially in SA.

 

[adelaidecrows]

This is one of my biggest bug bears

Especially in SA.

This is the culture of budget cuts i was talking about.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No surprise with a conviction with no penalty & Trump showed no remorse...

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www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Mutineer]

Well to be fair, there would be environmental groups who argue habitat destruction and even though I have no proof it probably does restrict burning. Driving through the Adelaide Hills now is scary. There are so many houses now on one way streets that go off other one way streets that its a disaster waiting to happen. But theres no fire prep. Burning seems to only take place in more rural settings.

A city dweller like lefty Kano doesn't have a clue what goes on in rural regions, maybe if he was to talk to some of the rural CFA volunteers (I do) he'd get a clearer picture, and to make it worse the hoops the CFA volunteers have to jump through to get the go ahead with hazard burns from above.

Nowa Nowa protesters blocked back burning before deadly fire broke out

Firefighters were forced to abandon what they considered a necessary step in bushfire mitigation in East Gippsland after protests. Months later the same town was evacuated as fire closed in.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Protestors gather to save the tingles I Australian Rural & Regional News

About 150 people gathered at Nornalup on March 23 to protest about the State Government’s plan to burn 80ha of nearby mostly-unlogged tingle forest.

arr.news

ABC deletes story about climate protesters halting protection burns prior to devastating bushfires · Caldron Pool

It was reported on social media on Monday that ABC Gippsland deleted a news story they shared in September about members of the local Nowa Nowa community protesting strategic asset protection burns in the region. During the protests, ABC Gippsland reported, “The protesters held up signs...

caldronpool.com

Protesters Halt Burns - 99.5 & 99.9 Gippsland's TRFM

Protesters Have Halted Planned Burns In Two Locations Today

trfm.com.au

Environmental groups protest Forest Fire Management Victoria works

Environmental groups are challenging Forest Fire Management Victoria (FFMVic) on its fire-reduction practices, including in the protected Yarra Ranges National [...]

upperyarra.mailcommunity.com.au

 

[kirky]

Well LA does have Disneyland, Universal Studios and SoFi Stadium.

The rest of the city - who really cares.

More seriously, wasn’t aware it only averages 14 inches (355m) of rain per year - and in basically 3 months (Dec-Feb).

 

[OneGreatClub]

I get where you are coming from but the biggest problem is budget cuts. In the case of LA it appears consistent budget cuts and neglect of the fire departments have played a major role. Most states tend to develop cultures of neglect towards something and they do it because no problems arose so they use that as an excuse to commit further budget cuts. Which seems absolutely criminal considering California has wild fires more often than Australia does.

Heads will role. Newsom at this point probably should just step down before he gets turfed out. His government looks to have severely cut the legs out of the LA Firefighting service. No doubt gambling with the odds of major fires happening on his watch.

It’s still funny how the GOP, the party of minimal government and no socialism, are acting outraged by this though. I mean they plan to decimate everything once Trump is in.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Jon Cooper (@joncooper-us.bsky.social)

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[adelaidecrows]

It’s still funny how the GOP, the party of minimal government and no socialism, are acting outraged by this though. I mean they plan to decimate everything once Trump is in.

Its likely the fire department had been subject to consistent cutbacks for more than a decade. Things like what is being stated, dont just happen in 5 years. But Newsom screwed up by ignoring problems created by previous cutbacks from the previous government and his own government committing its own cutbacks contributing to the cluster****. Its like our electricity problem. Each government made cutbacks, each government ignores the problem and well now its reaching cluster **** levels.