Opinion INTERNATIONAL Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[arrowman]

The real sad thing about any indepth wide spread review into the response and governance of the fires will be hijacked by political grandstanding.

Sadly, it is ever thus.

 

[arrowman]

look at the website. Its an AI written opinion article

LOL.

with literally no single fact presented.

Double LOL.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Fantastic that a ceasefire looks certain between Israel and Hamas.

The world should thank Donald Trump for this. Just ask Donald.

Hopefully this ceasefire lasts & can look to build a peaceful 2 state solution.

Enough of the ridiculous loss of life.

Israel-Hamas ceasefire to begin on Sunday; UN urges ‘rapid and unhindered’ aid access to Gaza after deal reached – live

Netanyahu says ‘final details’ of deal still being worked on; two American hostages to be free in first phase, reports say

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Needs to be more sanctions against Russia to keep pressure on over the Ukraine war. Need to completely isolate them.

65 oil tankers drop anchor after latest US sanctions against Russia, Reuters reports

Sixty-five oil tankers paused operations in various places around the world following the recent U.S.-U.K. sanctions against Russia’s oil industry and shadow fleet, Reuters reported on Jan. 13, citing maritime tracking data.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Fantastic that a ceasefire looks certain between Israel and Hamas.

The world should thank Donald Trump for this. Just ask Donald.

As long as it stops the killing, I'm more than happy to let Donald have the W on this.

There is also the added bonus that the chuds on here, the ones jerking themselves off when this thing kicked off, now have to pretend they aren't sad about Palestinians not being killed.

 

[PeterSalt]

And one of the points of that article is that that position is under threat from some red states.

You'd also want to consider, if you were a Californian, whether being a large (but arguably shrinking) economy producing enormous $$$ in federal taxes adequately offsets high state taxes and state debt.

TBH I only skim read the article. Did he provide any hard sources for that info

I have no doubt that some of the red states mentioned will experience growth. However I've also read California (prior fires) was expecting growth (economic and wage) over the next couple of years.

I haven't paid much attention to those sources either

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Patrick Boyle did a video on California's economy if anyone is interested.

 

[arrowman]

Hopefully this ceasefire lasts & can look to build a peaceful 2 state solution.

Enough of the ridiculous loss of life.

Israel-Hamas ceasefire to begin on Sunday; UN urges ‘rapid and unhindered’ aid access to Gaza after deal reached – live

Netanyahu says ‘final details’ of deal still being worked on; two American hostages to be free in first phase, reports say

www.theguardian.com

I think as long as Hamas and other Iran proxies exist, there is little hope for a peaceful 2 state solution. Not saying the ceasefire deal isn't welcome, but let's see how long it lasts.

 

[arrowman]

TBH I only skim read the article. Did he provide any hard sources for that info

The article is littered with links, some arguably biased maybe.

But OK not for my comment about California's economy shrinking.

 

[PeterSalt]

The article is littered with links, some arguably biased maybe.

But OK not for my comment about California's economy shrinking.

Might go back and have another read when I get a bit more time

The video Moogle posted is interesting

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think as long as Hamas and other Iran proxies exist, there is little hope for a peaceful 2 state solution. Not saying the ceasefire deal isn't welcome, but let's see how long it lasts.

Without a 2 state solution, will continue to be a mess. Need to make sure Palastian leaders have nothing to do with Hamas... which surely can't be too hard given what has just happened because of Hamas starting this mess.

 

[MrKK]

Actually thats been massively debunked. Dont stress i fell for the misinformation too. Most people labelled the dam empty footage and put two and two together Trump was right and that they rejected it because of fish.

1. Like any first responce emergency system its only designed for a number of emergencies at once. Fire Hydrants rely on the water system being at a very high pressure. Multiple uses at once is going to flatline the water pressure. This is what occured which had nothing to do with the dams.

2. Pipes also burst in neighbourhoods because of the pressure from the heat of the fires. This also flatlines the the ability to use the hydrants. So A lot of misinformation going around. Trumps solution wouldnt have solved shit.

California was a mess before these fires.

look at the website. Its an AI written opinion article with literally no single fact presented.

Well, if you say so then it must be true...

It's actually a fair piece about the internal migration of people and the transfer of the centres of wealth and power that accompany that. It notes that this is not unique in US history nor is it a permanent change.

Also notes that with the 2024 popular vote being close it is not terminal decline for Democrats, and that the more extreme conservative positions will be a drag on the Republican vote going forward.

 

[PeterSalt]

Without a 2 state solution, will continue to be a mess. Need to make sure Palastian leaders have nothing to do with Hamas... which surely can't be too hard given what has just happened because of Hamas starting this mess.

Mmmm .. 6 week ceasefire that historically neither side has honoured

And this is being broadcast already

 

[footy4ever]

Without a 2 state solution, will continue to be a mess. Need to make sure Palastian leaders have nothing to do with Hamas... which surely can't be too hard given what has just happened because of Hamas starting this mess.

For as long as Hamas exists, there will never be be peace, 2 state solution or not.

Now that they've been considerably weakened they should never be allowed to regroup and build again.

It's questionable to think Palestinian authorities can control Hamas. That's never happened in the past. They clearly condoned Hamas operating from beneath Hospitals and other civilian facilities using innocent Palestinian civilians as shields, then garnered outrage from the rest of the world because Israel had the temerity to attack Hamas in those places.

**** Hamas. I hope they all have cell phones.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Mmmm .. 6 week ceasefire that historically neither side has honoured

And this is being broadcast already

****ing idiots... they just want to fight.

Hamas doesn't even care about its own people.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

For as long as Hamas exists, there will never be be peace, 2 state solution or not.

Now that they've been considerably weakened they should never be allowed to regroup and build again.

It's questionable to think Palestinian authorities can control Hamas. That's never happened in the past. They clearly condoned Hamas operating from beneath Hospitals and other civilian facilities using innocent Palestinian civilians as shields, then garnered outrage from the rest of the world because Israel had the temerity to attack Hamas in those places.

**** Hamas. I hope they all have cell phones.

I agree.

Hamas can never have an role to play in any Palestinian state. Would think most would want this way given they created the carnage of their own.

 

[PeterSalt]

****ing idiots... they just want to fight.

Hamas doesn't even care about its own people.

It's even worse .. though at this stage I've assumed this is legit video taken since the ceasefire

 

[footy4ever]

As long as it stops the killing, I'm more than happy to let Donald have the W on this.

There is also the added bonus that the chuds on here, the ones jerking themselves off when this thing kicked off, now have to pretend they aren't sad about Palestinians not being killed.

Yeah nah. I might have missed it, however, I never read anything in here that actually suggests that happened.

I did however witness Palestinian flag carriers and Palestinian communities and community leaders cheer and dance in the streets after the terrorist massacre that kicked off this latest shitfest.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's even worse .. though at this stage I've assumed this is legit video taken since the ceasefire

Assume this an idiot minority. The majority of Palestinians need to call them out or they will continue to suffer consequences.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Yeah nah. I might have missed it, however, I never read anything in here that actually suggests that happened.

I did however witness Palestinian flag carriers and Palestinian communities and community leaders cheer and dance in the streets after the terrorist massacre that kicked off this latest shitfest.

Since when has genocide ever been an appropriate response to a terrorist attack?

 

[arrowman]

Since when has genocide ever been an appropriate response to a terrorist attack?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

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Was killing 47K people, vast majority of whom are innocent a suitable retaliation?

 

[PeterSalt]

UK pledge to help provide 100 years security guarantee to Ukraine

UK's Starmer arrives in Ukraine for security talks with Zelenskyy days before Trump is sworn in

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer arrived in Ukraine Thursday with a pledge to help guarantee the country’s security for a century, days before Donald Trump is sworn in as U.S. president.

apnews.com

"The president-elect has balked at the cost of U.S. aid to Kyiv, says he wants to bring the war to a swift end and is planning to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin, for whom he has long expressed admiration."

It still annoys me that arseholes carry on about money the US provides to Ukraine. 95% of the "money" is in fact being spent in the US building new weapons and supply chains. And a lot of that money is being spent in red states.

The US is in essence sending their old kit to Ukraine, and spending the 'aid' money in the US - see example below

 

[kirky]

Also notes that with the 2024 popular vote being close it is not terminal decline for Democrats, and that the more extreme conservative positions will be a drag on the Republican vote going forward.

Whether the pendulum goes too far left or too far right it always swings back to the middle before going the other direction then rinse and repeat.