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iPhone 4 vs. HTC Desire
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I'm looking at getting a Desire, but I've been waiting till HTC have done their big announcement on September 15. I'm hoping it's the international version of the Evo and not a windows7 phone so the price of the Desire may drop on release.
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I think a phone being slim is better than it being a little smaller. I like to carry it in my front left pocket, and so the size doesn't matter as much as it sitting flush against my leg.
I am will be in the market for a new phone around December and am currently working out my best options.
I have ruled out the iphone based on my dislike for itunes.
I have ruled out the Galaxy...Way too big. The Wave on the other hand is the perfect size but isn't running Android. I actually had the chance to use a brand new Wave for a month but in that time battery life went from charging every couple of days to charging nightly. The vibrate function also packed it in. I can't live without that given I always have it set to silent with vibrate alert.
Also ruled out the SE Xperia due to the size of it.
It is pretty much down to the Desire (although size is still an issue) and whatever, if anything, comes out before December/January that is comparable.
I still think the Wave is the perfect size and find it a shame that the others can't produce something in that size range.
I have ruled out the iphone based on my dislike for itunes.
I have ruled out the Galaxy...Way too big. The Wave on the other hand is the perfect size but isn't running Android. I actually had the chance to use a brand new Wave for a month but in that time battery life went from charging every couple of days to charging nightly. The vibrate function also packed it in. I can't live without that given I always have it set to silent with vibrate alert.
Also ruled out the SE Xperia due to the size of it.
It is pretty much down to the Desire (although size is still an issue) and whatever, if anything, comes out before December/January that is comparable.
I still think the Wave is the perfect size and find it a shame that the others can't produce something in that size range.
the desire HD might be out before then...
if it was out 2 months ago it would have made my decision somewhat harder.. and i probably would have gone the way of the desire HD
look it up on gsm arena
basically like the desire but it doesnt have the stuff i didnt like about the desire
the desire HD might be out before then...
if it was out 2 months ago it would have made my decision somewhat harder.. and i probably would have gone the way of the desire HD
look it up on gsm arena
basically like the desire but it doesnt have the stuff i didnt like about the desire
But it is even bigger than the current desire so that is a deal breaker for me.
Specs on the HD Desire are 123 x 68 x 11.8 mm. That is significantly bigger when comparing side by side.
Remember back in the day when the smaller the phone the better it was
My 2 cents...
I've got the HTC HD2, perfect phone hardware wise, winmo is no good, but at least you can do whatever you want to the thing which is why I'm running Android 2.2 over the top. If only I could keep up with the dev's creating all the ROM's (xda-developers is awesome)!
My next phone is definitely going to be the Desire HD. Iphone 4 is a waste of time to be honest, no point spending your hard earned on a cosmetic upgrade of the iphone 3gs (video calling that only works on wifi..?? use a laptop and skype properly!). The HD2 came out with the perfect size screen, anything bigger and it's too hard to handle, it's just right (for my hands anyway) and photos/camera/videos look unbelievable on it - So getting a HD2 which runs android stock will be awesome, not to mention the speed of the thing and proper multitasking.
Software side of things - HTC sense, widgets, calendar (which is really good syncing with exchange and ease of editing the calendar/emails etc), proper multitasking, ability to dig deeper into settings than apple allows you (i.e. problems with wifi/tethering etc) and of course customization which is a massive plus point - Apple built their empire on the false sense of customization with different coloured ipods etc etc which gave people a false sense of individuality.
As for Apps, sure apple store has millions but you wouldn't have more than 30 - 40 apps (max in my eyes) on a phone at any one time, so the size of the market doesn't matter, it's the quality, and the android market has just as good as quality as the apple store. Android also has the benefit of Google Lab's which has ground breaking apps and the fact that android is open source you'll see better apps coming through quicker and cheaper (if not free) on android.
In short, HTC has had some of the best hardware coming out for the past 12+ months and now that they are starting to pair their best phones with Android you'd be stupid to buy anything else!
Apple is the same as Microsoft but worse in my eyes, at least Microsoft give the user some sort of freedom without penalties!
*I should probably say I'm a little biased against Apple though (except I love my ipod, best invention in 100 years hands down) as I work in I.T. and have to deal with idiots who buy Apple Macs for no other reason than it being a "Mac" (no they aren't in design/multimedia) and wonder why the keep corrupting word templates, excel spreadsheets, wireless drop-outs, Macmail not updating, disfunctional email forwarding, poor calendar, and on and on... When will they learn Apple has no place in the corporate environment! /end rant
Adding to which, Wimo 6.5 sucks balls (but at least I can fix things like speed and power drainage) and I won't have any time for Winphone7 as there is no way it will be an improvement on Android.
I've got the HTC HD2, perfect phone hardware wise, winmo is no good, but at least you can do whatever you want to the thing which is why I'm running Android 2.2 over the top. If only I could keep up with the dev's creating all the ROM's (xda-developers is awesome)!
My next phone is definitely going to be the Desire HD. Iphone 4 is a waste of time to be honest, no point spending your hard earned on a cosmetic upgrade of the iphone 3gs (video calling that only works on wifi..?? use a laptop and skype properly!). The HD2 came out with the perfect size screen, anything bigger and it's too hard to handle, it's just right (for my hands anyway) and photos/camera/videos look unbelievable on it - So getting a HD2 which runs android stock will be awesome, not to mention the speed of the thing and proper multitasking.
Software side of things - HTC sense, widgets, calendar (which is really good syncing with exchange and ease of editing the calendar/emails etc), proper multitasking, ability to dig deeper into settings than apple allows you (i.e. problems with wifi/tethering etc) and of course customization which is a massive plus point - Apple built their empire on the false sense of customization with different coloured ipods etc etc which gave people a false sense of individuality.
As for Apps, sure apple store has millions but you wouldn't have more than 30 - 40 apps (max in my eyes) on a phone at any one time, so the size of the market doesn't matter, it's the quality, and the android market has just as good as quality as the apple store. Android also has the benefit of Google Lab's which has ground breaking apps and the fact that android is open source you'll see better apps coming through quicker and cheaper (if not free) on android.
In short, HTC has had some of the best hardware coming out for the past 12+ months and now that they are starting to pair their best phones with Android you'd be stupid to buy anything else!
Apple is the same as Microsoft but worse in my eyes, at least Microsoft give the user some sort of freedom without penalties!
*I should probably say I'm a little biased against Apple though (except I love my ipod, best invention in 100 years hands down) as I work in I.T. and have to deal with idiots who buy Apple Macs for no other reason than it being a "Mac" (no they aren't in design/multimedia) and wonder why the keep corrupting word templates, excel spreadsheets, wireless drop-outs, Macmail not updating, disfunctional email forwarding, poor calendar, and on and on... When will they learn Apple has no place in the corporate environment! /end rant
Adding to which, Wimo 6.5 sucks balls (but at least I can fix things like speed and power drainage) and I won't have any time for Winphone7 as there is no way it will be an improvement on Android.
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Slightly narrow-minded maybe?
Jailbreaking an iPhone, which is probably easier than changing and updating Android Roms (just speculating here, but when JBing is as easy as clicking one button, or visiting a website on the device, then it would be harder to font a simpler process) allows pretty much everything you have described as being a negative for the iPhone. And JBing is no longer a select underground community. Just yesterday, a mates sister asked if I could JB her iPhone. Clearly getting mass media attention is working in favour of the JBing community. It's naive to think that JBing is only reserved for the hardcore iPhone-ists. There are like 2million JB iPhones.
JB allows FaceTime over 3G. Allows you to access the deepest settings. Full customization over everything single aspect of the iPhone, from icons to the fonts to the buttons in the Calculator app. I don't know where you have read there are issues with Wifi or Tethering, but if there are, they would be very small isolated instances.
I don't think any can argue that the iPhones retina display is the best screen on a mobile device atm. Surely even the biggest Android fanboy can admit that.
And the App Store. Yes Android is growing, but with 250k+ apps in the App Store, there is a long way to go to catch up.
Hardware in both phones allows for lag free running of any apps. No real advantage to either really.
And multitasking. Yes the native version in the iPhone has limitations. But if you want more, than there are numerous different versions in Cydia.
I'm no Apple fanboy either. The iPhone 3G was my first apple device, and the iPhone is the second. My sister recently bought an MacBook, and I hate it. She does t design or anything either, just got it because it was a Mac. I would never entertain the thought of getting a Mac as my primary desktop computer.
Jailbreaking an iPhone, which is probably easier than changing and updating Android Roms (just speculating here, but when JBing is as easy as clicking one button, or visiting a website on the device, then it would be harder to font a simpler process) allows pretty much everything you have described as being a negative for the iPhone. And JBing is no longer a select underground community. Just yesterday, a mates sister asked if I could JB her iPhone. Clearly getting mass media attention is working in favour of the JBing community. It's naive to think that JBing is only reserved for the hardcore iPhone-ists. There are like 2million JB iPhones.
JB allows FaceTime over 3G. Allows you to access the deepest settings. Full customization over everything single aspect of the iPhone, from icons to the fonts to the buttons in the Calculator app. I don't know where you have read there are issues with Wifi or Tethering, but if there are, they would be very small isolated instances.
I don't think any can argue that the iPhones retina display is the best screen on a mobile device atm. Surely even the biggest Android fanboy can admit that.
And the App Store. Yes Android is growing, but with 250k+ apps in the App Store, there is a long way to go to catch up.
Hardware in both phones allows for lag free running of any apps. No real advantage to either really.
And multitasking. Yes the native version in the iPhone has limitations. But if you want more, than there are numerous different versions in Cydia.
I'm no Apple fanboy either. The iPhone 3G was my first apple device, and the iPhone is the second. My sister recently bought an MacBook, and I hate it. She does t design or anything either, just got it because it was a Mac. I would never entertain the thought of getting a Mac as my primary desktop computer.
I did put a disclaimer near the bottom of my post that I was biased, but that was my 2 cents worth, I just believe you can manipulate other operating systems more easily than Apple's OS's...
I agree with the display of the Iphone4, it's awesome, but it's not a huge advantage to me so much as size (4.3" is optimal IMO) because the current screens on the market are far from poor so it's a choice between an A+ screen and an A++ screen.
Even a quarter of a million apps in a store should be enough, as long as they are apps you would use. Like when you buy foxtel, even though you have 60 channels more than free-to-air, you still have the same sh1t to choose from. I don't have time to watch the TV I want that's on free-to-air let alone foxtel, I'm not going to have time to make use of 250,000 apps, let alone 2 million...
As for jailbreak vs's roms etc, the reason I'm using roms is because I'm on winmo6.5, if i was running android 2.2 native i wouldn't need to f**k around to make the phone better
Android 2.2 stock has more functionality than iOS4, I can't compare a rooted Andoird 2.2 vs a JB iOS4.
With the wifi issues, it's known Apple have had wifi issues with it's hardware for a long time from Mac books, to iphones and the ipad.
My point in case is HTC hardware with Google Android has surpassed Apple since the release of the iphone 4 (no innovation in this release meant it didn't take the step forward it needed to)
This is my opinion, some may agree, some wont.... Maybe I'm just too anti-apple as a result of so many fanboi's.. It's like hating Collingwood because of their supporters (they deserved the flag yesterday)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
To call the iPhone 4 a cosmetic upgrade is quite foolish in my opinion. The internal specs of the phone have been vastly improved, as has the camera. You'll find in the smartphone era most phones evolving will seem to be "cosmetic changes" to the ill informed.
"proper multitasking". i keep hearing this, but as far as i'm concerned, on my phone when i minimize an app, and restore it, it picks up where it left off.
i do understand the technical differences, i'm a developer myself, but from a end user perspective with a mobile phone, it does what you need.
i'm not planning on running any servers on my phone any time soon.
absolutely no idea what you're talking about here. i have a macbook pro and its wifi performance is fantastic. prior to this i had a sony vaio and i had big issues with my wireless network at home.
your opinion here is very subjective, and i have to disagree. when the iphone came around i shopped around hard for another phone. I came very close to buying the HTC desire, but a few things about that phone which i just found ridiculous. I looked at the galaxy, and that phone is just too big and looks flimsy.
so what other fantastic android phones has HTC released? And don't even mention the Desire HD. that is not even out yet.
1. That is not multitasking - pausing an app isnt multitasking. And multitasking is the essence of a smartphone. hence "smart".
2. Apple has had issues with its hardware and wifi, it's well known, google it if you can bare it.
3. The galaxy is too big? please... I agree with the flimsy side of things, but it is a good phone otherwise.
4. HTC Evo (although not in australia it's a fantastic phone with android), HTC wildfire is a great phone for an entry level device. HTC Desire (non HD) which is great, HTC legend is pretty good for it's price. Where is Apple's range? They make 1 phone and bring out the "upgrade" iphone 4 and that's all they can come up with?? Still no adobe flash also!
You clearly are a fanboi from reading your previous posts on this matter and you say you are a dev, I guess you enjoy the tight control apple put on what app's it allows onto it's market? As opposed to Androids open source, do what you want apps?
There is no doubt that the HTC Desire HD, which will be out this month, is much better than the Iphone4. Only a fanboi will think otherwise, I bet if it had an Apple logo you'd be all over it.
I'm surprised you found some things on the Desire "ridiculous" but you didn't find the fact that the iphone doesn't have a removable battery, no support for java or flash, no out of the box hotspot, no widgets, no support of divx/xvid, no removable media, no "proper" mutlitasking and the fact you can't hold the phone a certain way, not ridiculous..?
why isn't pausing an app multitasking?
it doesnt just pause every app - it keeps some processes running in the background. my tune in radio app for example will still play in the background while i close it and run other apps. In practise the average end user will not notice a difference.
i have NEVER had any WIFI issue on any apple device. nor do i know anyone that has. Apple devices are not without issue, but wifi is not one of those issues.
in my opinion it is too big. the second i took one into my hand i ruled it out as a purchase.
The Evo is not available in australia, so it's null and void as far as this discussion goes. The wildfire i suspect may be the same - though i do not know this for certain.
the HTC desire is nowhere near being better than the iphone 4. I compared these comprehensively when i purchased my iphone 4. I even had a desire put aside for me when i was at one stage leaning away from the iphone.
the 100mb on board storage is pathetic for a "smart phone".
is that really the best you can do?
i dont develop for iphone, or any mobile OS for that matter. but i am well aware of the restrictions apple place on their app store. it has its positives and negatives. whilst android provides developers with more freedom, which may result in a wider range of functionality within apps, iphone users can feel comfortable downloading any app on the appstore without worrying about any malicious apps etc. the app store is much saver.
no doubt? rubbish. if anything, i'd say that the gap between the iphone 4 and the HTC desire (non HD - and there is definately a gap) has been closed by the HD. without having seen the phone in the flesh, the specs show that it is a fair bit larger than the standard desire, closer to the galaxy in size, so in my opinion that may make it too big. otherwise there isnt really anything about it hardware wise that makes it better than the iphone, after that it's just a matter of ios vs android. truth be told, depending on the price, and the size, i may well have purchased the HD if it was available at the time.
removable battery - why would i need to remove it?
java/flash - had the iphone 3g for 18 months and it was never really an issue for me. flash annoys the hell out of me anyway, even on a desktop. uses way to many resources for simple tasks, and i imagine this is why apple don't want it on their mobile devices. theres a article by steve jobs discussing this.
out of the box hotspot - i actually do not know what you're talking about here.
divx/xvid - would be nice - though i'm pretty sure there are apps now that do it for u
multitasking i've already discussed
as for the "can't hold the phone a certain way" - it's been a non issue for me - i delayed my decision to purchase the phone until i got my hands on one live to see if there was much of an issue.. it's only when i go into the field test diagnostic mode that i can notice a drop of about 10-15 db when i hold the phone the way that is supposed to be problematic. a rather negligible affect.
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DivX is available on a few AppStore apps.
OPlayer is the best.
Will also play mkv, and most other formats.
Does Android support MKV playback? (serious question)
OPlayer is the best.
Will also play mkv, and most other formats.
Does Android support MKV playback? (serious question)
if i had to guess, i'd say probably not out of the box - but there'd be an app....
mkv is not widely supported.. ps3 does not play it - which annoys the crap out of me.
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RockPlayer for Android will play avi, divx, h.264, mp4, mkv and even rmvb.
Ditto for the lack of .mkv support on game consoles - Xbox 360 for me. Lack of .flv support too.
Ditto for the lack of .mkv support on game consoles - Xbox 360 for me. Lack of .flv support too.
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Never understood the multi tasking argument to be honest. For apps that need "multitasking" the iPhone accomodates them, and those that don't just pause. Android isn't too dissimilar. Not sure why everyone gets up in arms about it - if your app is doing the same thing as when you left it, not seeing the issue myself.
it's a point scoring exercise for uber geeks.
for a phone, multitasking that the iphone does is adequate. people often forget that it's just a phone we're talking about and not a high end desktop PC.
true multitasking would be using memory and processor power unecessarily, and that will have an impact on battery life.
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like most differences between the two OSes iOS only allows certain core functions true multitasking capabilities, whereas android will allow any app given the right permissions to run in the background. probably not noticeable for most processes but good for others such as messaging programs, synching for various accounts and widgets and i think the big plus is for programs like tasker, locale and timeriffic which will change settings automatically depending on location, time or calender settings
and as for mkv on consoles, i just use mkv2vob to change the container from mkv to vob. easiliy fixed for ps3 playing of videos. takes a couple of minutes as long as the mkv was encoded to the right x264 profile and settings
iOS actually handles multitasking for apps that require background processing. i have IM+ and that keeps me connected in the background, and messages come through as push notifications, once i open the app the msg is there waiting for me..
same with tomtom - i minimize the app, it keeps routing me - if i have the audio on it will still speak to me
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I had the nexus 1 Google phone (same as desire) and i sold it. Now have an iphone4. I've never owned an apple product in my life so im no fanboy but the iphone is far superior in 4 areas.
Build quality: Kills the HTC. HTC feels cheap and plastic. Iphone feels and is build really well!
Screen: The HTC is a bitch in sunlight! Found is was unreadable quite often. No issue with the iphone!
Speaker: HTC was useless to use hands free. It has to be really quiet to hear and distorts badly. No issue with the iphone. Apparently the desire is even worse than the nexus 1 speaker wise.
Apps: Android have a lot coming on but i found so many of them were utter rubbish or did not work at all! Made it really frustrating. Haven't had the same issues with apple.
There are things that annoy me about the iphone but some of those points above are deal breakers. I looked at every android phone wanting to stick with them but couldn't find one that had the complete package.
Galaxy S would have been an option but no camera flash = deal breaker!
Build quality: Kills the HTC. HTC feels cheap and plastic. Iphone feels and is build really well!
Screen: The HTC is a bitch in sunlight! Found is was unreadable quite often. No issue with the iphone!
Speaker: HTC was useless to use hands free. It has to be really quiet to hear and distorts badly. No issue with the iphone. Apparently the desire is even worse than the nexus 1 speaker wise.
Apps: Android have a lot coming on but i found so many of them were utter rubbish or did not work at all! Made it really frustrating. Haven't had the same issues with apple.
There are things that annoy me about the iphone but some of those points above are deal breakers. I looked at every android phone wanting to stick with them but couldn't find one that had the complete package.
Galaxy S would have been an option but no camera flash = deal breaker!
this sums my feelings up exactly - i was keen to try out android for myself...
That's not what insurers are reporting. I've already seen one iphone4 shatter from a small drop. I've dropped my Desire a couple of times and I haven't experienced any problems.
The iphone4 screen is better in this regard than the Desire. It wasn't a deal breaker for me.
I have not had an issue with the Desire in this regard.
I've had very little trouble with apps on the Desire. The biggest advantage the Desire has over the iphone is that I can install an app to my phone without visiting a Big Brother type store and avoid relying on a jail break type option.
The winning point for me in choosing an Android phone over an apple one is not having to deal with the jobsian corporate culture. With Android, I have a much bigger range of phone options to choose from and that from a consumer point of view is a huge plus.
The normal sim card on the Desire is a plus and it came in handy for me the other day when a friend's phone stopped working. She could pop her sim straight into my phone and make calls.
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I think Jobs is smug F'wit of epic proportions and i would have preferred to stay with android but i couldn't find a phone that didn't have a deal breaker!!!
The iphone ticked the boxes, although i may have hesitated had i known before i ordered it from my account manager at telstra that it had a smaller sim card!!!
The most stupid thing of all time
Unless it is a new industry standard and all phones from now on will have it, it is a joke and reeks of apple's culture that they are better than everyone else!!!
