IR rules discussion

[D Mitchell]

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You people are kidding yourselves if you think the Irish would win a game if all the rules were reversed.

Well played, GAA. Held out the fast finishing AFL team twice, good sports, modest in victory.

Couldn't you, like Malthouse and the players, be gracious in defeat rather than whinging about the rules ?

 

[Rob]

I've got no doubt that the marking rule assists the Irish because they can judge the ball far better. How many marks did we take anyway? Hardly any, because marking the round ball is like marking a mongrel punt - the round ball has a far different trajectory to an oval one.

 

[D Mitchell]

I've got no doubt that the marking rule assists the Irish because they can judge the ball far better. How many marks did we take anyway? Hardly any, because marking the round ball is like marking a mongrel punt - the round ball has a far different trajectory to an oval one.

75 marks to the AFL, 97 to the GAA. The difference, 24, can be accounted for by reference to the disparity in kicks and handballs. The AFL players handballed 23 times more than they kicked, their receives aren't counted as marks. AFL - 276 kicks and 299 handballs. GAA - 341 kicks and 234 handballs. Disposals by both sides were exactly the same, 575. AFL players disposed of the ball by hand on 65 occasions more than the GAA players, 11.3 % more, the GAA players vice versa by foot. The stats. don't support a theory that the GAA players are advantaged by the marking rule, they show that the GAA players kicked more.

But even if they did, the theory about the mark advantaging the AFL players is that it causes the GAA players to change the way they play i.e. bringing the ball into the forward line high rather than on the bounce. The theory is about the fact of the mark rather than who is better at it.

 

[Audacious]

Well played, GAA. Held out the fast finishing AFL team twice, good sports, modest in victory.

Couldn't you, like Malthouse and the players, be gracious in defeat rather than whinging about the rules ?

You know what i said is absolutely true, which is why you havent responded to the rest of my post, and instead thrown in some good sport reply. In case you havent noticed - this thread is about the rules!!

Rules are unfair to the Irish, and if they claim that tackling and marking balances up the game, then do without them for 1 series and give us the oval ball, full MCG and 20+min quarters.

Not even the most stubborn Irish person could argue that they Aussies wouldnt smash them, and like D.Mitchell, wont even bother debating the point.

The rules as they stand now is the equivalent of an Australian horse running the Melbourne Cup with 72kg of weight while the Irish horse is on 49kg. Sure is makes for an even contest but whats the point when game looks unrecognisable?











...........awaits D.Mitchell again replying to my post without directly disputing any of the points.

 

[D Mitchell]

You know what i said is absolutely true, which is why you havent responded to the rest of my post, and instead thrown in some good sport reply. In case you havent noticed - this thread is about the rules!!

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Your post wasn't worth responding to, it's a petulent whinge, because your team was beaten. In life, you aren't always going to win. When you don't you learn from it, the way Malthouse and his players will. You don't stamp your feet and cry "not fair".

Both codes concede advantages but the mix is pretty good. Sometimes the AFL teams win, sometimes the GAA teams win. Complaining about the concessions made by the code you support, in the wake of a narrow loss, is small minded, petulent and just poor sportsmanship.

 

[Audacious]

Your post wasn't worth responding to, it's a petulent whinge, because your team was beaten. In life, you aren't always going to win. When you don't you learn from it, the way Malthouse and his players will. You don't stamp your feet and cry "not fair".

Both codes concede advantages but the mix is pretty good. Sometimes the AFL teams win, sometimes the GAA teams win. Complaining about the concessions made by the code you support, in the wake of a narrow loss, is small minded, petulent and just poor sportsmanship.

ahhahahaha. Just as i predicted.

Not articulate enough to dispute my points eh? This whole thread is a discussion on the rules. You seem to have forgotten that, or tried to avoid conversation because you know im right. So youve pulled the moral high ground card and branded us whingers.

Whats it like to know your boys need the rules 95% in their favour to stand a chance against a 2nd string Australian side?

Must be proud

 

[BigBadCam]

Your post wasn't worth responding to, it's a petulent whinge, because your team was beaten. In life, you aren't always going to win. When you don't you learn from it, the way Malthouse and his players will. You don't stamp your feet and cry "not fair".

Both codes concede advantages but the mix is pretty good. Sometimes the AFL teams win, sometimes the GAA teams win. Complaining about the concessions made by the code you support, in the wake of a narrow loss, is small minded, petulent and just poor sportsmanship.

Hahahahhahaha, D Mitchell, you make me roll on the floor laughing. Last time this series was played and the Aussies beat the living snot out of the Irish, you were singing a completely different tune. There was no talk from you of concessions both ways, sportsmanship or whatnot. In fact, when your team lost, you were the one stamping your feet and crying 'not fair' like a little whinging sook. What you displayed last time was absolute poor sportsmanship.

You Irish remind me of playing backyard cricket with the 6 year olds when I was 10. Every time we beat them they ran around crying about how it was all unfair, we bullied them and that they'd never play with us again. To make them keep coming back we had to give them a million concessions (ie. can get out three times, double runs etc.) and let them win occasionally.

You poor little Irish should piss off back to Ireland and start digging for gold at the end of the rainbows and trying to catch a little green man, because that's the only money your mob will be making since your code is not yet professional. Pull your head in and remember how you were last time D Mitchell before you start pointing the finger at other people.

 

[D Mitchell]

..... Last time this series was played and the Aussies beat the living snot out of the Irish, you were singing a completely different tune. There was no talk from you of concessions both ways, sportsmanship or whatnot. In fact, when your team lost, you were the one stamping your feet and crying 'not fair' like a little whinging sook. What you displayed last time was absolute poor sportsmanship.
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On the contrary. At the end of both the 2005 and 2006 series, I condemned the violence displayed by the AFL players, the leniency of the umpire/referees and the poor sportsmanship of Sheedy, the AFL players and their groupies. Feel free to locate a post where I complained about the rules. Especially feel free to find a post where I said that if the rules were changed in such-and-such a way that Ireland/Australia would have thrashed the other. My team won those series and has just lost the 2008 series.

 

[BigBadCam]

On the contrary. At the end of both the 2005 and 2006 series, I condemned the violence displayed by the AFL players, the leniency of the umpire/referees and the poor sportsmanship of Sheedy, the AFL players and their groupies. Feel free to locate a post where I complained about the rules. Especially feel free to find a post where I said that if the rules were changed in such-and-such a way that Ireland/Australia would have thrashed the other. My team won those series and has just lost the 2008 series.

You looked at the series through green coloured glasses by condemning the Australians for their actions but failing to see how the majority of incidents were instigated by the cheap shot Irish. You threw the sink at Sheedy and the Australians for their 'poor sportsmanship and violence', yet failed to see how pathetic and unsportsmanlike the Irish were in their post game response to the 'tuggery' that as I have already mentioned, they started. As with 6 year olds and cricket, now the shoe is on the other foot and you're happy again. Get a grip D Mitchell.

 

[D Mitchell]

You looked at the series through green coloured glasses ....

Your original accusation was that "There was no talk from you of concessions both ways, sportsmanship or whatnot. In fact, when your team lost, you were the one stamping your feet and crying 'not fair' like a little whinging sook." I invited you to find an example of where I cried "not fair". You didn't. Instead, you've changed you accusation.

...by condemning the Australians for their actions but failing to see how the majority of incidents were instigated by the cheap shot Irish. You threw the sink at Sheedy and the Australians for their 'poor sportsmanship and violence', yet failed to see how pathetic and unsportsmanlike the Irish were in their post game response to the 'tuggery' that as I have already mentioned, they started....

I failed "to see that the majority of incidents were instigated by the cheap shots" because they weren't. I failed to "see how pathetic and unsportsmanlike the Irish were in their post game response to the 'tuggery'" because none of the GAA players, officials nor supporter posters, assuming that's who you mean by "the Irish", were either. My views on which team instigated violence, the blame-the-victim approach by Sheedy and the refusal by the GAA to continue with the series whilst the AFL condoned and continued with violence, that stand now vindicated by the 2008 series, are available to anybody who wishes to engage the search function. If you choose to swallow Sheedy's propaganda and/or thoughtlessly follow the hysterical computer cowboys on bigfooty, that's up to you. I prefer to observe and draw my own conclusions.

Anyway that sort of behaviour by the AFL players and officials and the syncophantic derision by posters who expressed such pleasure at bully boy tactics, violence and thuggery is in the past now. The 2008 series players and officials have been better quality people than the '05 - '06 lot. We were treated to 2 exciting games played in a sportsmanlike manner with a great display of the skills from both codes. With a few exceptions, the discussion on bigfooty has be restrained and reasonable. Long may that continue.

 

[BigBadCam]

Your original accusation was that "There was no talk from you of concessions both ways, sportsmanship or whatnot. In fact, when your team lost, you were the one stamping your feet and crying 'not fair' like a little whinging sook." I invited you to find an example of where I cried "not fair". Instead, you've come up with exactly what I told you you'd find.



I failed "to see that the majority of incidents were instigated by the cheap shots" because they weren't. I failed to "see how pathetic and unsportsmanlike the Irish were in their post game response to the 'tuggery'" because none of the GAA players, officials nor supporter posters, assuming that's who you mean by "the Irish", were either. My views on which team instigated violence, the blame-the-victim approach by Sheedy and the refusal by the GAA to continue with the series whilst the AFL condoned and continued with violence, that stand now vindicated by the 2008 series, are available to anybody who wishes to engage the search function. If you choose to swallow Sheedy's propaganda and/or thoughtlessly follow the hysterical computer cowboys on bigfooty, that's up to you. I prefer to observe and draw my own conclusions.

Anyway that sort of behaviour by the AFL players and officials and the syncophantic derision by posters who expressed such pleasure at bully boy tactics, violence and thuggery is in the past now. The 2008 series players and officials have been better quality people than the '05 - '06 lot. We were treated to 2 exciting games played in a sportsmanlike manner with a great display of the skills from both codes. Long may that continue.

Winners are grinners I guess. At least you guys will come back and play again. We like playing with the little guys.

 

[cavanmaniac]

You Irish remind me of playing backyard cricket with the 6 year olds when I was 10. Every time we beat them they ran around crying about how it was all unfair

The irony.

 

[premier]

You win games by scoring though

Yes but you score by having possession and moving it down the field

You can't score without possession and tactics.

I think the ball is a massive issue but the tackling has been "dumbed down" so why not "dumb down" the ball issue. Play on a full size AFL field so there is more room for mistakes with the foot passing. ie the ball goes out to space and it becomes a foot race rather than turn over and an over from 1/2 field because the irish can kick it.
I think if the irish played with the oval ball they would see how big a skill change it is as they start kicking helicopters and sky high hospital balls while the australians are drilling 50m passes on the run.

The tackling has been dumbed down but you need to realise that even though its physically dumbed down. Its almost the same in the way it changes the tactics.

Irish wouldn't be able to adjust to the oval ball without months of training and even then they would be completely crap

Its very different to go from a round ball to an oval then from a oval ball to a round.

Its easier to go from oval to round.

 

[premier]

Of course it applies to both team but the restriction on bounces , handballs and running distance penalises the Australians . Just like the round ball , tackling , bumping and shepherding restrictions ;the ground shape and size ; scoring system and lack of soccer skills.

I'm really sick of listening to people who talk like this and haven't even looked at the rules.

I posted at the beginning of this thread, the rules for both sports. Aussie Rules and Gaelif Football and I asked people to put their own version of the rules in which were a 50/50 compromise in the rules.

So lets go over your main points here since you obviously cannot be bothered to actually check out the rules of gaelic football and see that the rules are actually extremely fairly split.

The restriction on bounces is indeed from gaelic football. No argument here.

Aussie Rules -> Must bounce ball every 15 metres
Gaelic Football -> Must bounce/solo ever 4 steps (can't bounce twice consecutively)
International rules -> 10 steps. (can't bounce more then twice consecutively)

So 10 steps to you is considered extremely unfair even though its 1.5 times the steps allowed in Gaelic football ? Whats 50/50 between 15 metres and 4 steps ?

The handball restrictions is not from gaelic football and I'm almost certain that it was an AFL desired rule change, NOT a GAA one.

I don't have the link to the article but I'm sure I read an article saying how the AFL wanted it to emphasis that the game was football.

There is no handpass restriction in gaelic football so how was it our rule change ? Have a look at a gaelic football match, huge patches of it are played with the handpass, probably moreso then an Aussie Rules match.

Just because a rule is there that you don't recongise does not make it an Irish one.

 

[premier]

You people are kidding yourselves if you think the Irish would win a game if all the rules were reversed.

If you took out the tackle then how would the Aussies get the ball genius ?

I suggest you watch a game of gaelic football before you talk such rubbish.

Learning to tackle in AR is one thing, it takes skill, physique, timing etc. But to tackle gaelic football style would be just infuriating for the Aussies.

Its easier to go from the oval ball to the round one then vice versa, similarly its easier to go from a gaelic tackle to an Aussie Rules tackle then the other way around.

 

[Horsebox]

Hahahahhahaha, D Mitchell, you make me roll on the floor laughing. Last time this series was played and the Aussies beat the living snot out of the Irish, you were singing a completely different tune. There was no talk from you of concessions both ways, sportsmanship or whatnot. In fact, when your team lost, you were the one stamping your feet and crying 'not fair' like a little whinging sook. What you displayed last time was absolute poor sportsmanship.

You Irish remind me of playing backyard cricket with the 6 year olds when I was 10. Every time we beat them they ran around crying about how it was all unfair, we bullied them and that they'd never play with us again. To make them keep coming back we had to give them a million concessions (ie. can get out three times, double runs etc.) and let them win occasionally.

You poor little Irish should piss off back to Ireland and start digging for gold at the end of the rainbows and trying to catch a little green man, because that's the only money your mob will be making since your code is not yet professional. Pull your head in and remember how you were last time D Mitchell before you start pointing the finger at other people.

Little green men are aliens
We don't have aliens in Ireland.
The Leprechauns chased them all off.

 

[Audacious]

If you took out the tackle then how would the Aussies get the ball genius ?

Ever consider that with an oval ball that the Irish might make a few turnovers by foot? Didnt think that one through too much did you genius....

You would be more worried about how you would get the ball off us. Ablett, Franklin, Hodge, Judd would carve you up like a Christmas turkey. And like i said before (which none of you Irish even try to refute) is that with the entire playing surface of the MCG and 20+min quarters you would be exhausted halfway through the 3rd while our players would run all over you, if they werent already.

 

[premier]

Ever consider that with an oval ball that the Irish might make a few turnovers by foot? Didnt think that one through too much did you genius....

What do you mean here ?

You would be more worried about how you would get the ball off us.

If we had GAA tackling and GAA movement rules then we could quite easily get the ball off you.

Ablett, Franklin, Hodge, Judd would carve you up like a Christmas turkey.

You said reverse the tackling rules and the ball rules.

If the Aussies had to play with our tackling and our movement they would find it near impossible to get and keep possession of the ball.

Anyone who knows the slightest thing about Gaelic football knows how difficult it is to tackle properly and unless the Aussies spent 6 months learning how before each International Rules match then they wouldn't be able to even make an effort at it.

The Irish would find it impossible to score with the oval ball but the Aussies would find it impossible to get and keep it.

And like i said before (which none of you Irish even try to refute) is that with the entire playing surface of the MCG and 20+min quarters you would be exhausted halfway through the 3rd while our players would run all over you, if they werent already.

Why would anyone try to refute that ?

Its like saying that a marathon runner would run all over a sprinter in a marathon or that rugby players would be exhausted halfway through a soccer match.

Aussie players play longer matches on a larger field, although with more players. Of course they are going to be fitter for longer on a bigger field. Its obvious.

Whats your point ?

 

[D Mitchell]

Whats your point ?

He's taking the loss hard.

 

[Wildmanwok]

The whole series is a big ****ing joke.

We pick a team to be nice and play in the right "spirit" because the Irish have a sook. Can you see the any other Australian national side picked for the spirit and not the will to win.

What a joke, why do we embarrass our country with this load of shit.

 

[cavanmaniac]

I didn't think Australia lacked the will to win at all, they just didn't bash our lads about like under Sheedy.

Or are the two things the same to you?

 

[premier]

The whole series is a big ****ing joke.

We pick a team to be nice and play in the right "spirit" because the Irish have a sook. Can you see the any other Australian national side picked for the spirit and not the will to win.

What a joke, why do we embarrass our country with this load of shit.

Such a sook