Play Nice Is Gil really this much of a fool? Jobe's Brownlow and the commission's "hard" decision.

[Abomination]

They wouldnt dare let the public have a say.

That's okay, they can just ignore the result of a plebiscite anyway!

 

[reload141]

He deserves it. It is what it is.

Not really, technically in Australia in Australian Rules Football they found Jobe not guilty.
Then WADA decided he wasn't... so there is a decent chance for him to keep it, (not that I entirely expect he will)
But seriously I go back to my first argument.... Trent Cotchin, really? Just give it to SMitch

 

[Underdog]

Not really, technically in Australia in Australian Rules Football they found Jobe not guilty.
Then WADA decided he wasn't... so there is a decent chance for him to keep it, (not that I entirely expect he will)
But seriously I go back to my first argument.... Trent Cotchin, really? Just give it to SMitch

WADA overrules the AFL when it comes to doping matters. The AFL have that agreement.

AFL can be dicks and not enforce their punishments if they want. Doesn't mean Cotchin doesn't deserve it. Besides, isn't the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal supposed to be independent?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

He should have handed it back 1st thing this morning.

Should have handed it back the moment he was suspended.

 

[Gypsy King]

It should be rendered a no medal year. Cotchin didnt deserve the medal, he just sheep dogged all year. The only bigger blight on the league than Watson keeping it - is if Cotchin wins it by default.

 

[reload141]

It should be rendered a no medal year. Cotchin didnt deserve the medal, he just sheep dogged all year. The only bigger blight on the league than Watson keeping it - is if Cotchin wins it by default.

This.

 

[ep2018]

AFL making a decision by Nov 15th, when they should already have one.

Smells like they have a month to try and limit the damage when they do jack shit next month.

 

[Armadeo]

That's not the point I was making at all, I clearly stated his 2012 Brownlow should be rescinded. I was, however, addressing the view proferred by quite a few to suggest he was a one-year wonder who only produced an exceptional 2012 because he was "doped to his eyeballs", which is pure fallacy.

My mistake, must have missed a post.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Headline:
Watson Brownlow call to wait for November Commission meeting

Perhaps CAS has no jurisdiction over the awarding / stripping of the Brownlow

WADA rules which the OFFAL are committed to

 

[Coops93]

I don't want Watson to keep the Brownlow.

But I also don't want to live in a world where Trent Cotchin is good enough to win a Brownlow medal.

So conflicted...

 

[sataris]

Lol at the number of people who want the change the rules of the brownlow to prevent cotchin winning it because it would be a bad look for the medal.

Seriousy, he won it, get over it.

 

[frenchfri12]

And hand it to Mitchell and Cotchin a brownlow each.

No chance. If Jobe was on drugs that have been proven to not enhance performance in any way then all the season is tainted as a whole and the medal cannot be awarded to anybody.

 

[SunshineBoy]

The Brownlow Medal is an AFL award. AFL's own anti-doping tribunal found him not guilty. He should keep it.

Which was subsequently overturned by two higher bodies

 

[sataris]

No chance. If Jobe was on drugs that have been proven to not enhance performance in any way then all the season is tainted as a whole and the medal cannot be awarded to anybody.

By this logic the award can't be awarded any year any player is suspended.

 

[Forever North]

The head in the sand, nothing to see here AFL don't want to take it off him as it would be an admission that their pristine, lily white competition has a convicted drug cheating team amongst its ranks. Jobe won't hand it back as it would be an admission that he is a filthy lying drug cheat, thus lessening his compo claim against the AFL and Essendon. Both should be ashamed of themselves. However both have no shame and are all about protecting their pockets.

 

[frenchfri12]

By this logic the award can't be awarded any year any player is suspended.

By this logic the NRL would have a premier in 2007 and 2009

 

[sataris]

By this logic the NRL would have a premier in 2007 and 2009

Different situations entirely.


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[Sprout]

I hope he keeps it, if only to rile you losers up.

This is the same award Ian Collins stripped Chris Grant of because he didn't like him. It's such a stupid meaningless award, yet all these Bigfooty keyboard warriors are up in arms about it.

Yeah nah.

Historically it's the ultimate individual award, for better or worse. Watson keeping it will significantly discredit the award and the league as a whole. I refuse to believe the AFL could be so stupid as to allow him to keep it. There is only one correct course of action here.

I hope Watson makes the decision for them and retains some of his dignity, but that isn't looking likely.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Was Watson rubbed out for this cheating? I think he was actually. Did Watson accrue any votes in these games that he was rubbed out for?

So in fact Watson was banned for 22 games during which time he couldn't collect votes. So he has been punished then right?

What happened to Ben Cousins' votes in years in which he may have subsequently been found to be taking drugs? Were those votes rescinded and cancelled?

I also understand Cousins was rubbed out for a year, 22 games, and unable to accrue votes during those 22 games. Was Cousins punished twice by being rubbed out for 22 games and then retrospectively being penalised of votes he got in prior years?

What about Dane Swan?

Should Swan be penalised for votes he received during a time when there may have been questions about whether any of those votes he recorded were in games in which had he been tested he would have tested positive for something.

Are you a f*cking moron?..... One of the worst thought out posts i have ever read on BigFooty

 

[harmesy 37]

I would prefer it if Luke Darcy decided on it than the AFL Commission. He decides pretty much everything else in the AFL - All-Australian, votes on Mark of the Year, Goal of the Year, is on tv all the time, probably speaks to the umpires as well about Brownlow votes...does it all.

Get Luke to decide. He is so wise.

Striking the Essendon player records in 2015...does this include the match results from that year being null and void? The NRL has had no hesitation in wiping the results of Melbourne Storm and Canterbury matches, somehow I don't think the AFL will wipe match results...that is unless Luke steps in to give them guidance. He is the guru of everything.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It's an interesting one. What's the closest example? Melbourne Storm? Their premierships weren't re-awarded because (rightly) every club who were beaten by them that year had a claim to it, however small. What about the teams that lost the prelims to them?

If Watson obtained ALL of his votes unfairly, then surely every other guilty Essendon player did too. So aren't there players who played in games against a whole team of guilty players? Weren't they denied the chance at votes unfairly?

That's what makes these things tough and why they often aren't re-awarded.

 

[Rance2Mewtwo]

I think I actually have a pretty reasonable solution for all parties.

1. Officially make Sam and Trent the winners of the 2012 Brownlow. Give them a proper ceremony and acknowledge it publicly.

2. Jobe is, in title, stripped of his Brownlow. However, he is allowed to keep the physical medal due to being a good bloke. He can show his grandkids and tell them his version of events, but officially he won't be acknowledged as the winner.

This does the right thing while being respectful of Jobe.

They can say giving someone a medal and taking it away is different to a suspended player (e.g. Grant) never physically receiving a medal at all. I'd accept this as an Essendon-friendly compromise.

 

[Tiger2709]

The Brownlow Medal is an AFL award. AFL's own anti-doping tribunal found him not guilty. He should keep it.

AFL abide by ASADA/WADA rules if this wasn't the case then why the suspensions, surprised you cant see why he has to give it back, he and the others are convicted drug cheats, whether it goes to Cotch and Mitch is another issue altogether.

 

[Ghost of Punt Road]

A strong round of applause for the OP.

A milk bar owner shows more leadership than Gil and the board. How weak are they? Look a lot like the Richmond board. All lawyers and terror of process.

Are they taken by surprise? Had I been in charge the decision would have been ready, swift and clear. Yesterday!

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

I reckon the AFL should give him another brownlow for being such a good sport tbh