Opinion Is it OK to lose?

[WakeUpPies]

Breaking news guys, we are at the bottom of the ladder - because we're not that good. We don't have to go out there trying to lose to lose. We're Richmond of the 2000s. Give me another Pendles over a couple of meaningless wins playing the likes of Blair, Goldsack, and Dunn any day.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Once you can't make the 8 I want to lose or don't care to the point I hope they lose because they've pissed the season away.

 

[JackoSpades]

I think at some point in our lives.. we have wanted the team to lose.. it's human nature.

How many of us have watched our side getting pumped by 50 at the half time siren and have thought.. 'well bugger you lot.. I hope you get smashed by 100'.. I would offload a gorilla on that.

Absolutely never. Cant even understand that.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Absolutely never. Cant even understand that.

I have this resentment towards Buckley.. so if we are down by 50 at half time.. I would love to see us get pumped.. to make his exit more haste.

Then re load with a new coach.

Had it with him.

 

[jonbe54]

Breaking news guys, we are at the bottom of the ladder - because we're not that good. We don't have to go out there trying to lose to lose. We're Richmond of the 2000s. Give me another Pendles over a couple of meaningless wins playing the likes of Blair, Goldsack, and Dunn any day.

No win is EVER meaningless.

 

[DaVe86]

There's an art in it.

Realistically, a team needs to be mature enough to identify where they fit in the scheme of things very early.

Again, we've clearly overrated this list. Which has probably been our biggest mistake over the last 3 years. Clearly, it's much better to finish bottom 4 than 12th. There's no advantage at all in winning a few extra games and finishing mid-table.

I think it's a big mistake to send a team in to lose. It's taken Melbourne and Carlton a long time to reverse the "losers mentality". Melbourne is still struggling. They only win when they are not expected to.

However, there's nothing wrong with picking at team full of youthful talent that you have high hopes for. If the side performs and actually wins games of football, then that's a massive plus because you've pumped experience into youth, and you learn that your list is in good shape. If the side loses, then you've still pumped games into youth, you find out who is up to it and who isn't, and you obviously go into the draft with a good hand.

The trick is identifying quickly where your club sits.

We'll probably have one last chance to turn the season around against hawthorn this week. Lose, and we clearly need to start managing the rest of the season. Personally, I think the season is already over, so we need to start playing the kids now.

 

[jonbe54]

I have this resentment towards Buckley.. so if we are down by 50 at half time.. I would love to see us get pumped.. to make his exit more haste.

Then re load with a new coach.

Had it with him.

Your buckley hate is very obvious - it clouds your every post so really why not cut and paste? Because really every time we see you have posted again - in whatever thread it happens to be it's only ever the one subject - 'I hate buckley WAHHHH, make him loose WAHHHH !!!!'

Dead set boring.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Your buckley hate is very obvious - it clouds your every post so really why not cut and paste? Because really every time we see you have posted again - in whatever thread it happens to be it's only ever the one subject - 'I hate buckley WAHHHH, make him loose WAHHHH !!!!'

Dead set boring.

Well he is at the heart of it all.. on the pitch that is.

Respect!

 

[jonbe54]

Well he is at the heart of it all.. on the pitch that is.

Respect!

Beside the point Gimp your passion is obvious but the more often you state it, the less impact it has.
Buckley will go, that much is obvious.
But we all here know that it will come when it comes and no amount of ranting about it will help bring it about any quicker.
How about moving on and discussing different subjects?

For me team unity and common purpose is the basis of any team sport. It has copped a hammering at this club through a number of sources over a number of years and appears at an all time low.

Playing to lose WILL NOT do anything to alleviate that and is certain to in fact aggravate it.

By all means play the kids but for heaven's sake lets not throw the child out with the bathwater. Rotate them through so as not to tire or overwhelm them and for heavens sake lets have some mature players to help them through the learning stage.

Young players develop through a WINNING culture, that comes from both off and onfield influences.

Use the remainder of the season to rotate the kids and gain a baseline understanding of their capabilities and accept the unavoidable losses in the interest of team building but never ever even mention playing for a loss.

That is poison in a player and cancer in a club.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Beside the point Gimp your passion is obvious but the more often you state it, the less impact it has.
Buckley will go, that much is obvious.
But we all here know that it will come when it comes and no amount of ranting about it will help bring it about any quicker.
How about moving on and discussing different subjects?

For me team unity and common purpose is the basis of any team sport. It has copped a hammering at this club through a number of sources over a number of years and appears at an all time low.

Playing to lose WILL NOT do anything to alleviate that and is certain to in fact aggravate it.

By all means play the kids but for heaven's sake lets not throw the child out with the bathwater. Rotate them through so as not to tire or overwhelm them and for heavens sake lets have some mature players to help them through the learning stage.

Young players develop through a WINNING culture, that comes from both off and onfield influences.

Use the remainder of the season to rotate the kids and gain a baseline understanding of their capabilities and accept the unavoidable losses in the interest of team building but never ever even mention playing for a loss.

That is poison in a player and cancer in a club.

I'm not an advocate playing for a loss as a 'player'.. as 'supporters' we can't influence the results.. so if it means us losing the final round of the yr.. to gain a priority pick.. then why not support a loss.

No amount of screaming whilst watching us play will change the result of the game.

Respect!

 

[jonbe54]

I'm not an advocate playing for a loss as a 'player'.. as 'supporters' we can't influence the results.. so if it means us losing the final round of the yr.. to gain a priority pick.. then why not support a loss.

No amount of screaming whilst watching us play will change the result of the game.

Respect!

It's not in my nature to embrace failure in any endeavour, however meaningless that result may be.

Failure is a depressant, no matter how you tell yourself it doesn't matter on the surface deep down it changes attitudes. Every loss you countenance gets you closer to accepting failure as the norm.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

It's not in my nature to embrace failure in any endeavour, however meaningless that result may be.

Failure is a depressant, no matter how you tell yourself it doesn't matter on the surface deep down it changes attitudes. Every loss you countenance gets you closer to accepting failure as the norm.

Failure is failure if you accept it as failure! If you embrace failure for the better good.. is it failure in effect?

Respect!

 

[Anzacday]

Failure is failure if you accept it as failure! If you embrace failure for the better good.. is it failure in effect?

Respect!

So if you intentionally fail and indeed fail, you've actually succeeded, (by failing) which makes it's not a failure?

 

[peatease]

It's okay to lose, in a sense to get beaten.

You can cut experienced players to bring in youth, if we lose that's understandable.

Wanting the 22 on the park each week to lose? No way, those guys are out there to win. For some player this could be his last game, as a team mate or coach you can't put to waste all the work you got in to be there.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

So if you intentionally fail and indeed fail, you've actually succeeded, (by failing) which makes it's not a failure?

10/10 for figuring it out.

Respect!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

To all those who have kids playing sport. Has there ever been a time when your kid was ommitted from the team.. or your kid has had to sit on the bench for a good amt of time during a game.

Have you not experienced the sensation of wanting the team your kid represents to lose?

I friggen doubt it!

Respect!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

It's not in my nature to embrace failure in any endeavour, however meaningless that result may be.

Failure is a depressant, no matter how you tell yourself it doesn't matter on the surface deep down it changes attitudes. Every loss you countenance gets you closer to accepting failure as the norm.

So according to your logic.. when your kids are playing sport and being benched and ommited from teams.. you preach fairness and equality.

You're a mass of contradictions.

Respect!

 

[loki04]

No win is EVER meaningless.

It is given context.

4 wins and 17 losses leading into round 22, lose and sow up a top 3 pick win and it moves you up the draft order to pick 6.

You win the game yay woot we won awesome sauce for the week, but now you have given up a almost guaranteed star for a maybe star (if you are lucky) maybe okish player like Aish or like.

That 1 extra win did not create or keep a winning culture, just like if you lost it wouldn't breed losing into the players, who already lost 17 games coming into it!

What it would do is hamstring your ability to land a player capable of pulling your club out of the mire.

 

[OniAu]

Saturday was the best result , lose in the last minute but show we can match it with one of the comps best (albeit they were 2 down majority of match)

I'm sick of hearing Buckleys cliché responses and excuses. He has not taken responsibility in the time he has coached. Understanding a little more why Paul Williams couldn't stand playing with him.

 

[Jasper84]

So according to your logic.. when your kids are playing sport and being benched and ommited from teams.. you preach fairness and equality.

You're a mass of contradictions.

Respect!

This "kid being benched" angle really isn't helping to support your argument for wanting the club to lose games.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

This "kid being benched" angle really isn't helping to support your argument for wanting the club to lose games.

Are you telling me that if it was the last game of the season.. no chance of finals.. we lose.. we gain a priority pick like we did with the Thomas/Pendles gets.. you wouldn't entertain the thought of losing even for a fleeting moment.. as something you wouldn't mind?

Please man!

Respect!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

This "kid being benched" angle really isn't helping to support your argument for wanting the club to lose games.

Ok so what do you preach to your kids.. 'your time will come just be patient'.. when the coach is playing other kids with half his/her takent ahead of him/her.

You'd be the first to do that.. well done man.. you're a martyr.

Respect!

 

[Jasper84]

Are you telling me that if it was the last game of the season.. no chance of finals.. we lose.. we gain a priority pick like we did with the Thomas/Pendles gets.. you wouldn't entertain the thought of losing even for a fleeting moment.. as something you wouldn't mind?

Please man!

Respect!

You keep throwing up the same thing over and over. The answer isn't going to change. I never want to lose, I've never entertained the thought of wanting to lose and I am never going to want my club to lose in the future.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

You keep throwing up the same thing over and over. The answer isn't going to change. I never want to lose, I've never entertained the thought of wanting to lose and I am never going to want my club to lose in the future.

You're confusing yourself with a player and a supporter.

Respect!

 

[Jasper84]

Ok so what do you preach to your kids.. 'your time will come just be patient'.. when the coach is playing other kids with half his/her takent ahead of him/her.

You'd be the first to do that.. well done man.. you're a martyr.

Respect!

I suggest that you do at least one of two things:
Stop telling people how they raise their children and calling them martyrs when you know nothing about them.

Remove the hypocritical "respect" tag from the end of your posts.