Analysis Is Leppa the Right Man for the Job?

[kylegee28]

Hoping for a 10 Goal last quarter from the Pies to really seal the deal.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Why isn't true? I can't see Leppa taking us all the way back to our previous highs, but given the shit effort that the team puts in periodically that'd kill any coach. Too many complacent players that we can't do anything about because we're too scared about the exodus narrative rearing its head again.

I guess it depends what you view as the responsibility of the coach. We absolutely do have some potentially elite mids - Hanley, Rich, Rockliff - plus Beams and Zorko who are already there (IMO).

But to me it is the responsibility of the coach to get them to function as a cohesive unit and Leppa just does not do that. When the team does not show up weeks on end something is wrong. Yes, the players need to cop their share of the blame but so do the coaching staff, starting with Leppa.

 

[cotter101]

I've always been one to support leppa, I really have. But we're getting done by 70 points by an average side that's missing Cloke, Swan, Elliott, Broomhead, Brown, Goldsack, Ramsay, Reid and Williams who id have thought are all best 22. I mean, come on.

I'm not going to come out and say that Leppa should be sacked. Because he shouldn't be, not yet anyway. But something has to change quick smart.

Whether it's his fault or not, the coaches are the ones who cop the blame and get sacked at the end of the day if performances like these continue.

 

[dlanod]

I guess it depends what you view as the responsibility of the coach. We absolutely do have some potentially elite mids - Hanley, Rich, Rockliff - plus Beams and Zorko who are already there (IMO).

But to me it is the responsibility of the coach to get them to function as a cohesive unit and Leppa just does not do that. When the team does not show up weeks on end something is wrong. Yes, the players need to cop their share of the blame but so do the coaching staff, starting with Leppa.

I threw a post in the vent thread about skills, effort and structures all being an issue.

Skills - I blame both, but the players more than the coaches (and the recruiters more than most). You can be drilled all you want but you need to buy in to change.

Effort - Absolutely the players IMO.

Structures - Absolutely the coaches IMO.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I threw a post in the vent thread about skills, effort and structures all being an issue.

Skills - I blame both, but the players more than the coaches (and the recruiters more than most). You can be drilled all you want but you need to buy in to change.

Effort - Absolutely the players IMO.

Structures - Absolutely the coaches IMO.

I agree with this but do structures stand a chance when the effort is not there. Case in point is the swans game.

 

[dlanod]

I agree with this but do structures stand a chance when the effort is not there. Case in point is the swans game.

I agree with your point, but our structures are sadly lacking even when we do put effort together. Daly seems to have brought together our clearances somewhat compared to what they were, but forward and defense are sorely lacking.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I agree with your point, but our structures are sadly lacking even when we do put effort together. Daly seems to have brought together our clearances somewhat compared to what they were, but forward and defense are sorely lacking.

But does that come down to just how young and overall ordinary our backline and forward line is?? Defensive running is a huge issue

 

[dlanod]

But does that come down to just how young and overall ordinary our backline and forward line is?? Defensive running is a huge issue

To some degree yes. But surely we should be able to see some resemblance of planned movement up forward? Instead, outside of week 1, we get the usual bomb to a congested area with outnumbered and underdeveloped talls.

Defense is similar, but the main problem there seems to be a lack of running back from the mids. The good teams have mids who just pound back. We absolutely do not.

 

[dlanod]

Case in point - having five blokes hovering within five metres of the bloke with the ball, but a Pies player completely unmarked fifteen meters away.

 

[Royboys44]

I've always been one to support leppa, I really have. But we're getting done by 70 points by an average side that's missing Cloke, Swan, Elliott, Broomhead, Brown, Goldsack, Ramsay, Reid and Williams who id have thought are all best 22. I mean, come on.

I'm not going to come out and say that Leppa should be sacked. Because he shouldn't be, not yet anyway. But something has to change quick smart.

Whether it's his fault or not, the coaches are the ones who cop the blame and get sacked at the end of the day if performances like these continue.

Leppa MUST be removed! We are a rabble and no longer relevant in any capacity. We need a hard arse coach who will set the standards for players who obviously don't know how to set them for themselves. Roos must be appointed no matter the cost! $2 mill a year whatever it costs!
Our players have no concept of structure or strategy and definitely can't carry it out week to week. Is it because they are dumb? unskilled? or undisciplined? or a mix of all! Tom Bell is pathetic and may as well stand in front of his mirror at home and stroke his hair! Claye Beams is nowhere good enough, Harwood not skilled enough, Lewy doesn't look like he gives a shit! And I sponsor him and feel he has departed!Rocky can't get fit either can Beams and now he's injured again! Rich, well who knows what he's doing, he has his fat pay cheque so is comfortable. Martin must still be rattled from his knock. Merrett is finished. Paparone runs around on the spot and kicks the ball up in the air higher than it travels in distance. Hanley looks shot! Is it his hip again? Lester too slow,Green one dimensional. Mayes has left town.

Our list is a mess and we will remain at the bottom for a very long time unless the hard questions are asked. While I'm at it Im sick of hearing about Schachey and his kicking. He has an ugly action and seems all out of balance crouching down and then loses momentum. His poor accuracy suggests that the coaching he is receiving is sub standard.

I hope the media turn their attention to us and make us answerable for a deplorable and insipid performance. Effort is the bottom line! If Leppa can't get them to play with effort then he has no role to play at the club.

 

[lions27]

I just changed my vote from unsure to "No"

Something has to give.
Leppa, Woewodin, Hudson and maybe Black need to be moved on at season end.

Would love Ratten if we could get him, he may be too smart to accept a job with us though.

 

[royboys4eva]

I wanted Leppa to work. Tonight and many other nights under his guidance have proven it won't work. He inherited a bad list but even that bad list won 10 games each in Vossy's last two years. I was prepared to give Leppa time as he has copped a terrible run with injuries and he was doing the right thing and playing the kids and getting games into them. But for me you can be young, you can be undermanned but you should at least have some sort of semblance of structure. We have no system what's so ever. The kick in's have been garbage for the entire Leppa coaching stint. Not once have i seen us try to do anything different.

The players look like they have zero confidence in our game plan if we have one or if they understand it. Even players like Christensen Bell and Bastinac has regressed since coming to our club. Hanley Rich Zorko look frustrated footballers who are just fed up losing and in the case of Hanley and Rich look like they have become just overrated players now.

Leppa has ruined Paparone and Mayes by sending them to defence, Both are shot as players. Paparone is not a defenders Ars###le.

I like everyone else who supports the Lions am sick of losing every week of every season. So we start again and get a new coach and hope we get lucky and strike a Beveridge or a Bolton. I'm not confident we will. To be fair who would want to coach this club right now?

 

[Lace Out]

I just changed my vote from unsure to "No"

Something has to give.
Leppa, Woewodin, Hudson and maybe Black need to be moved on at season end.

Would love Ratten if we could get him, he may be too smart to accept a job with us though.

Ratten would jump at million not a problem

 

[Dylan12]

Something has to give.
Leppa, Woewodin, Hudson and maybe Black need to be moved on at season end.

Would love Ratten if we could get him, he may be too smart to accept a job with us though.

My thoughts exactly, our whole coaching panel stinks and the sooner every single one of them is gone the better.

How that happens I don't know, but our club is going nowhere whilst any of them are there. Hell, three of them haven't even played at the top level.

 

[Balony_pony16]

I wanted Leppa to work. Tonight and many other nights under his guidance have proven it won't work. He inherited a bad list but even that bad list won 10 games each in Vossy's last two years. I was prepared to give Leppa time as he has copped a terrible run with injuries and he was doing the right thing and playing the kids and getting games into them. But for me you can be young, you can be undermanned but you should at least have some sort of semblance of structure. We have no system what's so ever. The kick in's have been garbage for the entire Leppa coaching stint. Not once have i seen us try to do anything different.

The players look like they have zero confidence in our game plan if we have one or if they understand it. Even players like Christensen Bell and Bastinac has regressed since coming to our club. Hanley Rich Zorko look frustrated footballers who are just fed up losing and in the case of Hanley and Rich look like they have become just overrated players now.

Leppa has ruined Paparone and Mayes by sending them to defence, Both are shot as players. Paparone is not a defenders Ars###le.

I like everyone else who supports the Lions am sick of losing every week of every season. So we start again and get a new coach and hope we get lucky and strike a Beveridge or a Bolton. I'm not confident we will. To be fair who would want to coach this club right now?

well said..pretty much how I feel. I scratch my head to find anything positive to say about Leppas time as a coach. He has to go

 

[3KZ is Football]

Nobody should forget that Leppitsch delisted former Club Captain Jed Adcock at the end of last year, because he said he couldn't be guaranteed a game in 2016. What a joke. Leppitsch flicked Adcock, a bloke that gave 100% every game, so that he could gift games to some of the lazy spuds running around in 2016. I hope Footscray wins the flag this year and Adcock gets a medallion. No wonder we can't keep players, but it's not the 'go home factor' it's the get away from Leppitsch factor that's the problem.

 

[Balony_pony16]

to roys post...id add that Leppa is starting to ruin Lewy Taylor. He was a natural footballer with a big future but now he is just stagnating

 

[Balony_pony16]

Nobody should forget that Leppitsch delisted former Club Captain Jed Adcock at the end of last year, because he said he couldn't be guaranteed a game in 2016. What a joke. Leppitsch flicked Adcock, a bloke that gave 100% every game, so that he could gift games to some of the lazy spuds running around in 2016. I hope Footscray wins the flag this year and Adcock gets a medallion. No wonder we can't keep players, but it's not the 'go home factor' it's the get away from Leppitsch factor that's the problem.

But he had Harwood, Beams & Bewick in mind for the small defense roles...heck me

 

[Happy_Neale]

I threw a post in the vent thread about skills, effort and structures all being an issue.

Skills - I blame both, but the players more than the coaches (and the recruiters more than most). You can be drilled all you want but you need to buy in to change.

Effort - Absolutely the players IMO.

Structures - Absolutely the coaches IMO.

Yep there should be some very nervous players as well. Further to these points, Leppa has had the luxury of bringing in some of his own guys for support plus Lambert, Swann, Lethal and Austin have come in during his time too but it has apparently made little difference.

Leppa bringing in Daly has not done much for our midfield plus Francis (ping acuguy) is a bizarre choice of coach. No doubt some of this is budget related but it appears we are due for a massive coaching overhaul.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Nobody should forget that Leppitsch delisted former Club Captain Jed Adcock at the end of last year, because he said he couldn't be guaranteed a game in 2016. What a joke. Leppitsch flicked Adcock, a bloke that gave 100% every game, so that he could gift games to some of the lazy spuds running around in 2016. I hope Footscray wins the flag this year and Adcock gets a medallion. No wonder we can't keep players, but it's not the 'go home factor' it's the get away from Leppitsch factor that's the problem.

I do agree Adcock should have stayed on the list, but he would have been captain of the NEAFL team not in the seniors. Can understand why he left but it's not like he would have helped tonight. So I guess I don't even disagree with you.

 

[BPikkers]

Get Stuart Dew in from the Swans, now!!!

Hands off....

 

[kylegee28]

I'd rather Rockliff act as a playing coach, with no assistant coaches than the shit that we're putting up with at the moment.

 

[3KZ is Football]

EXHIBIT A: COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL COACH WITH NO CLUES

http://www.lions.com.au/video/2016-05-13/stronger-at-home

 

[3KZ is Football]

to roys post...id add that Leppa is starting to ruin Lewy Taylor. He was a natural footballer with a big future but now he is just stagnating

Just one of a number of players who will leave town as soon as they can.

 

[JasRulz63]

Not being able to attract or retain playing talent also extends to attracting good coaching staff. This is especially the case because while we need to pay a certain level of the salary cap meaning we pay players a comparable wage to what they'd get elsewhere, what we pay our coaches is determined by what we can afford (Swann said our football department spend is $1.6m less than the soft cap).

If Leppa does go, I hope our next untried coach we go for has done their apprenticeship with a good team, not a team like Richmond.