Analysis Is Rocky the Right Man for the Job?

[Gadzorks]

Don't think you have a great understanding of libel laws in practice.

Regardless, you aren't owed anything.

I do. If it's true you cannot be sued for libel.

 

[Gadzorks]

Truth isn't a complete defence to libel in most cases.

Umm. Yes it is. There are numerous caseso in recent times that uphold this interpretation. I am sure you watched when dank sued for defamation and the judgement was yes he was defamed,, but as the defamation was a reporting of the truth no compensation was due and dank lost.

 

[James North]

Umm. Yes it is. There are numerous caseso in recent times that uphold this interpretation. I am sure you watched when dank sued for defamation and the judgement was yes he was defamed,, but as the defamation was a reporting of the truth no compensation was due and dank lost.

Due to public interest I suspect.

Edit: defamation has now been nationally standardised?

 

[WA Lion]

I do. If it's true you cannot be sued for libel.

you can - it's just unlikely to be successful!

Regardless I think the point is more that ol'mate was digging for info and gossip and posters don't have to put anything they don't want on to the net

 

[Hollow Knight]

I do. If it's true you cannot be sued for libel.

If it can be established as true. I don't have the investigative resources of the AFL and ASADA at my disposal, nor the statutory authority to compel witnesses.

I'm not going to put myself in that position for a few people on a football forum.

 

[Football Pope]

It really hasn't been worth the discussion....boring as bat poop!

 

[Big Sauce 21]

you can - it's just unlikely to be successful!

Regardless I think the point is more that ol'mate was digging for info and gossip and posters don't have to put anything they don't want on to the net

You think we're not frustrated? a favorite player of mine/ours set to leave and we have no idea why.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Umm. Yes it is. There are numerous caseso in recent times that uphold this interpretation. I am sure you watched when dank sued for defamation and the judgement was yes he was defamed,, but as the defamation was a reporting of the truth no compensation was due and dank lost.

"Truth" is a tricky one though. I doubt anyone here was present at any events insinuated at, therefore what is truth would be very hard to prove.

This board has a healthy proportion of legal minds so it would surprise for this to get debated a little.

Irregardless, I'm not sure many on here would want to risk it just to appease some. I realise that those who haven't heard the rumours are itching for some clarity, but others are rightly a bit flighty about (a) spreading something which turns out is not 100% spot on and (b) betraying any sources.

 

[WA Lion]

You think we're not frustrated? a favorite player of mine/ours set to leave and we have no idea why.

I get that absolutely, always been on the Rocky bandwagon myself, but I also know that the internet is becoming less and less of a place where you can simply write whatever you like without repercussion

 

[James North]

You think we're not frustrated? a favorite player of mine/ours set to leave and we have no idea why.

Because he's a good player, you would have to assume it's due to off-field behaviour.

This happens with a lot of players throughout the comp without knowing the exact details of that behaviour.

I know he's the captain, but that doesn't mean it will end up being any more public than in those cases.

 

[LionKing]

You think we're not frustrated? a favorite player of mine/ours set to leave and we have no idea why.

Yep, so much for the presumption of innocence.......something which happens to be a cornerstone of our legal system

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Because he's a good player, you would have to assume it's due to off-field behaviour.

This happens with a lot of players throughout the comp without knowing the exact details of that behaviour.

I know he's the captain, but that doesn't mean it will end up being any more public than in those cases.

Drugs, drinking, drink driving, manslaughter, kebab throwing, smashing windows with seatbelts, armed robbery ? Wouldn't have a clue what he's done

 

[POBT]

You think we're not frustrated? a favorite player of mine/ours set to leave and we have no idea why.

If people hadn't broadly alluded to some off field issues, and there was talk of him being traded, you'd be even more confused. Isn't it better that you are at least aware that there might be a good reason for us to even contemplate trading our captain? If TBD had kept his mouth shut, I presume you'd be railing against the club for even thinking about trading Rockliff.

 

[SizeMatters]

Libel laws are fake. I used to post a whole heap of crap on the rumours and scandals board... nothing happened.

 

[Football Pope]

Drugs, drinking, drink driving, manslaughter, kebab throwing, smashing windows with seatbelts, armed robbery ? Wouldn't have a clue what he's done

All I'm interested in is the Club becoming relevant again...Couldn't care what his done.....It's irrelevant!!!

 

[Big Sauce 21]

If people hadn't broadly alluded to some off field issues, and there was talk of him being traded, you'd be even more confused. Isn't it better that you are at least aware that there might be a good reason for us to even contemplate trading our captain? If TBD had kept his mouth shut, I presume you'd be railing against the club for even thinking about trading Rockliff.

Depends what he has done.

 

[WA Lion]

Libel laws are fake. I used to post a whole heap of crap on the rumours and scandals board... nothing happened.

because no one chose to take action, not because they don't exist.....

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yep, so much for the presumption of innocence.......something which happens to be a cornerstone of our legal system

I don't think this is what Big Sauce's issue was. He seemed keen to hear allegations whether they had been proven or not.

Seems to only acceptable answer for some people to the "Is Rocky the man for the job" question is "YES!!!". Anything less constitutes a witch hunt.

 

[Football Pope]

If people hadn't broadly alluded to some off field issues, and there was talk of him being traded, you'd be even more confused. Isn't it better that you are at least aware that there might be a good reason for us to even contemplate trading our captain? If TBD had kept his mouth shut, I presume you'd be railing against the club for even thinking about trading Rockliff.

Supporter backlash is always going to happen when wounded from friendly fire. Reasons matters little. The club will come up with a "Why", that will cause the least collateral damage to the clubs supporter base and will quickly restore the faith and trust.
Presently, the Football department rebuild has started and with that, we are starting to hear; "We need to be relevant again.".
With trade period looming, the old commodity market starts. Players are interchangeable with other players and loyalty goes out the door .
When Barassi moved to Carlton in '65, he was asked by the press.."How his supporters would feel?" Barassi response was..that his supporters could buy a Carlton jumper and sew the number 31 on the back...

 

[Viceregal]

I remember reading about a Austro-Hungarian (iirc) newspaper publishing a story about how the rumours that General X was a Russian spy were completely baseless. The fact that there were no rumours of that nature meant that it was effectively an outing piece. Does that kind of things still work as a defence against libel/defamation?

 

[Skoob]

I do. If it's true you cannot be sued for libel.

I hope you're not a lawyer, because this simply is not correct.
That's like saying "If you're innocent, you won't go to jail" or "If they're guilty, they'll be punished".

 

[AFLQLD]

I think a combination of truth and genuine public benefit might give you a chance to defend yourself against libel. Maybe. But you'd probably want a good lawyer in your corner. And if they had a good lawyer, prepare for a fight or an out of court settlement.

If it is just true but there is no public benefit, I wouldn't like your chances so much. The truth is only one aspect of libel.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Ok enough is enough, I don't care about libel laws.....here is what happened.

It all started on ** *** **** when Rockliff and ******, ********* and ********** went to ********** ********. When they first got the Rockliff said ******** ******** ************ ******* ***** ****** ****** ********** ***** ****** ***** ******* ***** ***** ****** *********** ******** ************* ********** **** *** **** ******* ***** ****** ******* **** ******** ***** ***** ***********. Then he **** ***** **** **** ****** ***** ****** ********** ********** ******** ****** ********** ******** ******* ******** ****** ******** **** ******* **********. This made ******* and ******* feel very ******** and *******. Apparently this was not the first or last time this kind of thing has happened.

Ok we are all clear now?

Time to move on.

 

[M Malice]

Ok enough is enough, I don't care about libel laws.....here is what happened.

It all started on ** *** **** when Rockliff and ******, ********* and ********** went to ********** ********. When they first got the Rockliff said ******** ******** ************ ******* ***** ****** ****** ********** ***** ****** ***** ******* ***** ***** ****** *********** ******** ************* ********** **** *** **** ******* ***** ****** ******* **** ******** ***** ***** ***********. Then he **** ***** **** **** ****** ***** ****** ********** ********** ******** ****** ********** ******** ******* ******** ****** ******** **** ******* **********. This made ******* and ******* feel very ******** and *******. Apparently this was not the first or last time this kind of thing has happened.

Ok we are all clear now?

Time to move on.

i am reading between the lions.

 

[AFLQLD]

Ok enough is enough, I don't care about libel laws.....here is what happened.

It all started on ** *** **** when Rockliff and ******, ********* and ********** went to ********** ********. When they first got the Rockliff said ******** ******** ************ ******* ***** ****** ****** ********** ***** ****** ***** ******* ***** ***** ****** *********** ******** ************* ********** **** *** **** ******* ***** ****** ******* **** ******** ***** ***** ***********. Then he **** ***** **** **** ****** ***** ****** ********** ********** ******** ****** ********** ******** ******* ******** ****** ******** **** ******* **********. This made ******* and ******* feel very ******** and *******. Apparently this was not the first or last time this kind of thing has happened.

Ok we are all clear now?

Time to move on.

I think you will find that ******** wasn't even there at the time. And ******** didn't ******** with *******.

Try again.