Analysis Is Rocky the Right Man for the Job?

[Kevvo]

Uh huh.
Such the consummate professional that his club wanted him gone, no-one else would take him and by round 1 next year he'll be sacked as captain.
He's awesome.

I'm stumped on why this hasn't sunk in more widely.

"See, he's staying. Bleeds for the club!!"

 

[Skoob]

I'm stumped on why this hasn't sunk in more widely.

"See, he's staying. Bleeds for the club!!"

Exactly. He's staying and there is a sudden outpouring of love. Nothing has changed since yesterday, other than the dimming of hope that we can move on.

 

[Football Pope]

I'm stumped on why this hasn't sunk in more widely.

"See, he's staying. Bleeds for the club!!"

Good one Kev!

 

[Kevvo]

Good one Kev!

Agreed. Thanks

 

[Leemas]

Uh huh.
Such the consummate professional that his club wanted him gone, no-one else would take him and by round 1 next year he'll be sacked as captain.
He's awesome.

Holy shit man do I need to spell it any clearer for you. ON FIELD PROFESSIONALISM.

He's being paid what he is because of what he can achieve on the field. I am not disputing any of these things and have solely been talking about his on field performance and the proffessionalism he shows on the field.

You're always so eager to have an argument aren't you skoob.

 

[winged1]

Holy shit man do I need to spell it any clearer for you. ON FIELD PROFESSIONALISM.

He's being paid what he is because of what he can achieve on the field. I am not disputing any of these things and have solely been talking about his on field performance and the proffessionalism he shows on the field.

You're always so eager to have an argument aren't you skoob.

Have you ever been involved in a team sport?

 

[luthor]

You're always so eager to have an argument aren't you skoob.

 

[James North]

Holy shit man do I need to spell it any clearer for you. ON FIELD PROFESSIONALISM.

He's being paid what he is because of what he can achieve on the field. I am not disputing any of these things and have solely been talking about his on field performance and the proffessionalism he shows on the field.

You're always so eager to have an argument aren't you skoob.

The logic behind this is that the way he treats people off-field and the way he treats himself off-field is affecting his ability to lead and play on-field.

The two are not mutually exclusive, I'm afraid.

 

[Harris Specter]

Have you ever been involved in a team sport?

Heard he was in the equestrian team for a while.

 

[Leemas]

Have you ever been involved in a team sport?

Yeah loads my whole life. Definitely had people that were amazing on the field and didn't really participate at all off of it. Couldn't dispute there loyalty or commitment to the team because as soon as they crossed that line on to the oval they were the best team mates you could have.

 

[BuntonRules]

As an average country footballer playing for quite a few clubs, I played with some complete tossers - and worse. But if they helped you win games.......

 

[Leemas]

The logic behind this is that the way he treats people off-field and the way he treats himself off-field is affecting his ability to lead and play on-field.

The two are not mutually exclusive, I'm afraid.

I agree shouldn't be leader and yes he's had such a poor year you can tell it's really affecting his playing ability.....pause......nooooot.

He's had a fantastic year on the field been one of our best consistently.

 

[James North]

I agree shouldn't be leader and yes he's had such a poor year you can tell it's really affecting his playing ability.....pause......nooooot.

He's had a fantastic year on the field been one of our best consistently.

Yeah he personally has, but the performance of the rest of the team is the main concern, I believe.

 

[Leemas]

Yeah he personally has, but the performance of the rest of the team is the main concern, I believe.

Bro I have talked to multiple players. Rocky is not the reason we have been so poor this year and to suggest that is completely ludicrous. Everyone I have spoken too couldn't even give a rats arse about all this rocky shit!!! Like I've said before the only people who seem to have a problem with him are you 'in the know supporters' and obviously some club officials. His impact on the playing group as a whole really isn't that negative.

Yea maybe he did some bullying of younger guys and doesn't hold himself to the same standards he expects of others but come on. Have you ever been involved in a team sport? One bloke cannot make 40 dudes play like shit.

 

[winged1]

Yeah loads my whole life. Definitely had people that were amazing on the field and didn't really participate at all off of it. Couldn't dispute there loyalty or commitment to the team because as soon as they crossed that line on to the oval they were the best team mates you could have.

Well then you should understand that even while performing on field (at least on prima facia evidence) some can be a complete nightmare off it and the whole place functions better without them. You also don't seem to get that the game is about 5% of the interactions you have with your teammates in a week.

 

[James North]

Bro I have talked to multiple players. Rocky is not the reason we have been so poor this year and to suggest that is completely ludicrous. Everyone I have spoken too couldn't even give a rats arse about all this rocky shit!!! Like I've said before the only people who seem to have a problem with him are you 'in the know supporters' and obviously some club officials. His impact on the playing group as a whole really isn't that negative.

Yea maybe he did some bullying of younger guys and doesn't hold himself to the same standards he expects of others but come on. Have you ever been involved in a team sport? One bloke cannot make 40 dudes play like shit.

No I don't think anyone is suggesting he is the only reason we have been bad (people have already been fired for that), but the concern is that he may be setting standards (or lack thereof) for those young players moving forward. They need good standards, good culture and good leadership to develop at a quick rate.

I'd assume he will be out of the leadership group from next year and that will probably assist.

If it was just a few randoms on a football forum and a couple of club officials who were so concerned about it, there wouldn't have been such a concerted effort to get him traded out of the club.

Nothing would have happened at all, or he would've signed a contract extension to commit beyond his free agency.

 

[Football Pope]

As an average country footballer playing for quite a few clubs, I played with some complete tossers - and worse. But if they helped you win games.......

Did this tosser win this game?

 

[Gadzorks]

Yeah he personally has, but the performance of the rest of the team is the main concern, I believe.

You can't put that on any one person. Not even the coach. Or the captain.

Every player should cross the line, hear the siren and put on a show. They don't pout and sook and not play well cause someone said something mean to them (assuming that's what been happening). In fact, that can be an incentive to play brilliantly as a great big up yours.

 

[James North]

You can't put that on any one person. Not even the coach. Or the captain.

Every player should cross the line, hear the siren and put on a show. They don't pout and sook and not play well cause someone said something mean to them (assuming that's what been happening). In fact, that can be an incentive to play brilliantly as a great big up yours.

Putting words in my mouth.

 

[LionKing]

At the end of the day Rockliff is contracted. If the club dont want him they can terminate his contract and pay him out. Until then I will cheer him on.

I don't like every player on our list but I support them when they run out representing my club

 

[Football Pope]

No I don't think anyone is suggesting he is the only reason we have been bad (people have already been fired for that), but the concern is that he may be setting standards (or lack thereof) for those young players moving forward. They need good standards, good culture and good leadership to develop at a quick rate.

I'd assume he will be out of the leadership group from next year and that will probably assist.

If it was just a few randoms on a football forum and a couple of club officials who were so concerned about it, there wouldn't have been such a concerted effort to get him traded out of the club.

Nothing would have happened at all, or he would've signed a contract extension to commit beyond his free agency.

New regime usually like to appoint their own people...At this stage, Rocky has only committed to playing out his contract .

 

[Leemas]

No I don't think anyone is suggesting he is the only reason we have been bad (people have already been fired for that), but the concern is that he may be setting standards (or lack thereof) for those young players moving forward. They need good standards, good culture and good leadership to develop at a quick rate.

I'd assume he will be out of the leadership group from next year and that will probably assist.

If it was just a few randoms on a football forum and a couple of club officials who were so concerned about it, there wouldn't have been such a concerted effort to get him traded out of the club.

Nothing would have happened at all, or he would've signed a contract extension to commit beyond his free agency.

I'm not disputing any of this. Just merely stating that you cannot dispute his on field performances. In that regard as he will continue to do so next year he will be professional. Tbh I don't care if he had no interaction with the team outside of football, as long as he keeps playing like he does on the weekend.

Once again not disputing he shouldn't be a leader, not disputing he's shit off field, didn't even bring that up until skoob needed something to for at me for. All I've been talking about is what he does on the field.

That clear things up for everyone? I'm bloody agreeing with most of you, I swear you just see my name pop up on the comments and search for something to get pissed/be combative over.

 

[Gadzorks]

Putting words in my mouth.

"The performance of the rest of the team" I took that to imply that him playing well wasn't the issue, but he was influencing the rest of the team.

 

[Leemas]

Putting words in my mouth.

Dude re read what you wrote, unless you didn't mean to write it like that, that's how it comes across with the way you worded it. Obviously not the only one who's misconstrued what you've said because it read to me like you were blaming rocky for the performance of other players.

 

[James North]

"The performance of the rest of the team" I took that to imply that him playing well wasn't the issue, but he was influencing the rest of the team.

The performance of the rest of the team is the main concern regarding him - not his own performances.

I don't think the absolute logic of that statement concludes that he is the sole influencer of the rest of the team. It's just the main concern on-field as a result of the off-field stuff.

Dude re read what you wrote, unless you didn't mean to write it like that, that's how it comes across with the way you worded it. Obviously not the only one who's misconstrued what you've said because it read to me like you were blaming rocky for the performance of other players.

See above.