Opinion Is the stand rule stopping you from going to games ? (poll)

[YeOldTiger]

I actually don't mind the 666 rule because with Lynch and Jack up fwd it does benefit us hence why i have always said Prestia was our most important player.With Hopper and even with an aging Jack its going to be delicious this year IMO.
Our backline not as solid as a few years ago i feel but will be negated by Prestia & Hopper.
But yeah the rest of the rules can * off.

Yes but my point was more that 666 was brought in mainly to stop Dimma placing two extra defenders behind the ball from restarts.

It made us almost impossible to score against, we almost always created a turnover and then ran in waves surging the ball forward. Scott and SHocking nearly lost their minds, conspired to change the rule and the fundamentals of the game (starting positions !) and the rest is history.

Ok so maybe we do get some benefit from it now, but how dare they change the rules to stop ostensibly one team. They didn't even hide their disdain for Richmond football.

Now, they're sitting there having taken the teeth out of the tiger and sipping the Kool aid out of the premiership cup. It will always have an asterisk for me.

It's the principle. Stop changing the bloody rules to suit your own team !

 

[Tigerbob68]

Yet another skill that was removed from the game. I still think deliberate out of bounds is the second most contentious rule (behind holding the ball) in the game. Why was it brought in ? To increase scoring (for sponsors ads mainly) by ensuring that a defender boxed in couldn't kick the ball up the line. (The same reason a defender could no longer chop the arm of a forward in a marking contest, increase scoring) He now either has to try to fake fumbling the ball over the line (here we go back to kindergarten stuff a la the Stand rule and the nominate to go up on the ruck rule) or let his team down by trying to keep the ball in play by doing something stupid or dangerous, nearly always turning the ball over on a dangerous position. The original skill is removed (like so many others) and guess what there's no increase in scoring (sound familiar). Then finally, here's the rub, the rule itself is left up to a wide interpretation making it virtually impossible to be consistent, so it isn't consistent and drives everyone crazy.

There was no need to introduce this rule. A defender usually got a round of applause for being able to execute a difficult kick under pressure and made ground for his team. If he screwed it up and kicked it out on the full or turned it over, kudos to the bloke who put the pressure on. What the bloody hell was wrong with that ? It allowed the game to reset for a boundary throw in, take a sip of your beer (or a bite of pie) without missing any action) and allowed ruckman and followers to go to work. It was a great part of the game !

The game is being fundamentally changed, bit by bit, rule by rule until it has become almost unrecognisable from the greatest game ever devised.

The rule changers are a blight on the game and should hang their heads in shame. 666 (netball basically), stand, medi sub, deliberate out of bounds, chopping the arms, ruck nominating and the failure over at least a decade or more, to be completely unable to get a consistent ruling on holding the ball or is it dropping the ball or is it illegal disposal (???) has turned our brilliant game into a farce at times.

Add to that the ARC joke (not very ******* funny when it decides a final!)

So, * off Gil and SHocking and the Scotts , leave the bloody game alone ! For about the one millionth time !

(If you're tldr then you deserve exactly what you get - nothing but eating the s**t you're fed)

Great points all round.
Go back and watch some games from the mid 90s now and it really reinforces what you're talking about. No deliberate OOB or rushed behind free kicks. As you say, the long kicks for 'touch' are actually celebrated by the commentators. And there was no commentary around saying there was a problem with the deliberate kicks out of bounds. Nobody cared. The only people who cared about rushed behinds were the cheer squads!!
50m penalties were rare and for the most part only for really serious infringements.
I really hate the change of letting the backman just run out of defence after a behind. It could get quite intense sometimes when a team was struggling to get it out from a kick in, awesome when it was your team holding it in the forward line.

 

[Tiger2709]

Attend games for a sh*t spectacle
Watch from home to hear mic'd up umps screaming stand every 5 secs

The AFL loves having you by the balls either way. Need to bring a blindfold to games and earplugs at home

Its okay at my place, I cant hear the umps call stand as I'm swearing too f@cking loud at them for making yet another dodgy decision.

 

[Tiger2709]

Great points all round.
Go back and watch some games from the mid 90s now and it really reinforces what you're talking about. No deliberate OOB or rushed behind free kicks. As you say, the long kicks for 'touch' are actually celebrated by the commentators. And there was no commentary around saying there was a problem with the deliberate kicks out of bounds. Nobody cared. The only people who cared about rushed behinds were the cheer squads!!
50m penalties were rare and for the most part only for really serious infringements.
I really hate the change of letting the backman just run out of defence after a behind. It could get quite intense sometimes when a team was struggling to get it out from a kick in, awesome when it was your team holding it in the forward line.

Gill has been determined to turn Aussie rules into basketball for years, more goals while hampering any sort of defense means it must be better

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yes but my point was more that 666 was brought in mainly to stop Dimma placing two extra defenders behind the ball from restarts.

It made us almost impossible to score against, we almost always created a turnover and then ran in waves surging the ball forward. Scott and SHocking nearly lost their minds, conspired to change the rule and the fundamentals of the game (starting positions !) and the rest is history.

Ok so maybe we do get some benefit from it now, but how dare they change the rules to stop ostensibly one team. They didn't even hide their disdain for Richmond football.

Now, they're sitting there having taken the teeth out of the tiger and sipping the Kool aid out of the premiership cup. It will always have an asterisk for me.

It's the principle. Stop changing the bloody rules to suit your own team !

Fair enough mate.I concur.

 

[tora tora tora]

Yes but my point was more that 666 was brought in mainly to stop Dimma placing two extra defenders behind the ball from restarts.

It made us almost impossible to score against, we almost always created a turnover and then ran in waves surging the ball forward. Scott and SHocking nearly lost their minds, conspired to change the rule and the fundamentals of the game (starting positions !) and the rest is history.

Ok so maybe we do get some benefit from it now, but how dare they change the rules to stop ostensibly one team. They didn't even hide their disdain for Richmond football.

Now, they're sitting there having taken the teeth out of the tiger and sipping the Kool aid out of the premiership cup. It will always have an asterisk for me.

It's the principle. Stop changing the bloody rules to suit your own team !

Radical untrialled 666 rule and other rules introduced start of 2019. Pretty sure we won back to back flags. losing free kick tally seemed to be a Dimma strategy. Stand rule 50m penalties and now dissent 50m penalties killed us in 21 & 22.
When I played low level sport refs would be different every game and I'd reign things in if they were being super strict. RFC footballers too many frees away. Reign it in a bit. VS Brizzy Noah C, Baker and others dumb obvious 50s.
Some rule like Maybe drop to the VFL? for a week.

 

[Groupie_]

so we're loosing hundreds of thousands of dollars cos of this rule change

thanks shocking

we should sue the afl and shocking for damages . theyve disengaged our supporter base

 

[sante]

It’s a shit rule but **** you guys like to cry like babies. I thought the majority of us were grown men?

 

[YeOldTiger]

Radical untrialled 666 rule and other rules introduced start of 2019. Pretty sure we won back to back flags. losing free kick tally seemed to be a Dimma strategy. Stand rule 50m penalties and now dissent 50m penalties killed us in 21 & 22.
When I played low level sport refs would be different every game and I'd reign things in if they were being super strict. RFC footballers too many frees away. Reign it in a bit. VS Brizzy Noah C, Baker and others dumb obvious 50s.
Some rule like Maybe drop to the VFL? for a week.

I agree our discipline (maybe we were charged up on playing intense chaos footy) has been pretty poor over our 17-20+ successful years. I also recognise that during most of those seasons (and since then) we have finished last in the free kicks ratios. Then amazingly in the finals when they "put away the whistle" we seemed to get the rub of the green on many occasions.

I get all that.

I just wish they could leave the game alone for the games' sake. How could anyone be happy about the stand rule ? How has it helped the game ? How have any of these rules helped the game ? Even if it's 50/50 nobody can argue that the traditions, cultures and unique aspects of the game have been eroded awfully under this administration.

They have sold the game to Foxtel and Friends for filthy lucre and the game we all love is worse for it.

I'm a reformer. I see myself as a progressive person. But I respect traditions. I apply common sense to my interaction and I dislike people using personal motivations to denigrate established and accepted norms. The game evolves ergonomically. It always has and always will. It doesn't need little average gnomes like SHocking and the Scotts getting a stiffy over their changes to the game.

Like Dimma has done, change to the game needs to come not from changing the rules to suit yourself, but by innovation, hard work, thinking outside the square and being humble enough and clever enough to work within the rules.

It's a testament to him that they had to change the rules to stop him and us.

 

[YeOldTiger]

It’s a s**t rule but * you guys like to cry like babies. I thought the majority of us were grown men?

That thing up your arse is a picket from the fence you're sitting on.

Once the game becomes unwatchable, will you then finally sit up and go, hey wtf just happened ?

Who's the baby ?

 

[sante]

That thing up your arse is the picket from the fence you're sitting on.

The rule sucks but it’s not enough to make me stop watching games.

 

[YeOldTiger]

The rule sucks but it’s not enough to make me stop watching games.

So vote no.

It's a Democracy.

 

[Underarm]

so we're loosing hundreds of thousands of dollars cos of this rule change

thanks shocking

we should sue the afl and shocking for damages . theyve disengaged our supporter base

The clubs losing money from fair-weathers like yourself who can't hack that we aren't any good any more.

 

[Groupie_]

The clubs losing money from fair-weathers like yourself who can't hack that we aren't any good any more.

we made the 8 with the stand rule, it aint that champion

I wouldnt go if we made top 4 either. stand rule stays , I stay away simples

 

[kozi]

The clubs losing money from fair-weathers like yourself who can't hack that we aren't any good any more.

If I may interject, calling him fair weather isn't right when he was posting here for years supporting the club strongly back when we were trash.

Regardless, the gripe is about the game/rules in general and not specific to RFC. Saying people becoming disillusioned with the game due to dud rules is just because they can't hack that we aren't good anymore is pure crap.

 

[Do the Dew]

Yes but my point was more that 666 was brought in mainly to stop Dimma placing two extra defenders behind the ball from restarts.

It made us almost impossible to score against, we almost always created a turnover and then ran in waves surging the ball forward. Scott and SHocking nearly lost their minds, conspired to change the rule and the fundamentals of the game (starting positions !) and the rest is history.

Ok so maybe we do get some benefit from it now, but how dare they change the rules to stop ostensibly one team. They didn't even hide their disdain for Richmond football.

Now, they're sitting there having taken the teeth out of the tiger and sipping the Kool aid out of the premiership cup. It will always have an asterisk for me.

It's the principle. Stop changing the bloody rules to suit your own team !

There was a stat on fox footy (on the couch I think) prior to the 2019 season when 666 was brought in that showed how often teams set up in a 666 formation in season 2018. Guess who was last with about 2% of the time starting in a 666 - Richmond. So when oppos say "oh it affected all of the teams the same", that's an absolute lie. It theoretically hurt us the most as we set up the least in that formation prior to the rule being implemented.

 

[Groupie_]

wow more have voted yes than I thought

jesus christ

if only the afl and rfc could see this

 

[mauricerioli]

There was a stat on fox footy (on the couch I think) prior to the 2019 season when 666 was brought in that showed how often teams set up in a 666 formation in season 2018. Guess who was last with about 2% of the time starting in a 666 - Richmond. So when oppos say "oh it affected all of the teams the same", that's an absolute lie. It theoretically hurt us the most as we set up the least in that formation prior to the rule being implemented.

And guess who set up the most with that formation?

 

[NZ_Tiger]

No. Going to the footy is an experience but it does stop me consuming as much tv content. I’d be lucky to watch 2 games a week this year.


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[Groupie_]

the afl succeeded in dividing the mighty tiger army

 

[tora tora tora]

There was a stat on fox footy (on the couch I think) prior to the 2019 season when 666 was brought in that showed how often teams set up in a 666 formation in season 2018. Guess who was last with about 2% of the time starting in a 666 - Richmond. So when oppos say "oh it affected all of the teams the same", that's an absolute lie. It theoretically hurt us the most as we set up the least in that formation prior to the rule being implemented.

State of the game are all stupid rule changes. 666 a scoring bonanza? Lucky or nostradamus that we bring Lynch to the club and won back to backs.
Stand & dissent 50 metre have been the rules Dimma and players haven't adapted well too.

 

[Danw0w]

poll almost 50/50

so if we were getting around 1.2 mil through the gates pre stand rule that is now halved due to people not going

for math nerds how much money is rfc loosing cos of this s**t rule

other clubs fans are not impacted by this because rfc fans know it was targeted at us

Nothing, because the AFL would just take it and give it to St Kilda and North.

 

[Groupie_]

the afl has divided the tiger army.

its quite simple for the afl, remove the stand rule and you will have the Richmond fanbase back to games at 100% drawing power. leave as is and you will only get 40% of our fanbase attending games in 2023

its quite simple afl

 

[Tiger Toffee]

the afl has divided the tiger army.

its quite simple for the afl, remove the stand rule and you will have the Richmond fanbase back to games at 100% drawing power. leave as is and you will only get 40% of our fanbase attending games in 2023

its quite simple afl

Nah not really, you are just being dramatic. The reason people are not going anymore is scheduling, price and add in the never ending train disruptions due to Dan Andrews' so called Big Build which will never end, not some rule.

Want something to whinge about, you can whinge when Richmond once again start the season with back to back thursday night games, only two possible games for thursday round 2 and they are Coll/Rich and Carl/Gee.

 

[Groupie_]

Nah not really, you are just being dramatic. The reason people are not going anymore is scheduling, price and add in the never ending train disruptions due to Dan Andrews' so called Big Build which will never end, not some rule.

Want something to whinge about, you can whinge when Richmond once again start the season with back to back thursday night games, only two possible games for thursday round 2 and they are Coll/Rich and Carl/Gee.

attendance is definitely down for the tiger army . look at poll results here because of the stand rule. these are die hard Richmond fans, if its stopping die hards from going then the non and semi die hards have already left

we made the 8 and got outdrawn by colonwood and carltoon. carltoon play most games at shitihad. they simply dont have the drawing power to outdraw a top 8 Richmond (without these rule changes)

remove stand rule and we are top again