Discussion Jack Steele vs Lenny Hayes

[PerthBoy86]

Yesterday Luke Hodge (I think it was) said he'd never seen anyone as committed on the footy field as Jack Steele

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Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

. I haven't followed him closely but his efforts etc are definitely admirable. This invariably brought to mind a comparison with the great Lenny Hayes

Lenny Hayes

Age

44

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.5

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

0.4

3star

, who was often praised for his toughness and heart and leadership on the field. They seem to play similar roles too. Granted very different eras, but how would you compare the two as players and leaders?

 

[ARCHIE66]

lol a west coast supporter starting a thread here

 

[g_TRAIN]

Lenny was a legendary finals performer.

Always lifted 3-4 notches in big games.

Steele will need to replicate that before he is at Lenny's level for mine

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[sauce_head]

Lenny was a legendary finals performer.

Always lifted 3-4 notches in big games.

Steele will need to replicate that before he is at Lenny's level for mine

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This is pretty much my position as well. I’d love it if in the end we can talk about them in the same sentence. Lenny was in amici better team in his prime as well. They are definitely of similar role though.

 

[11men1cup]

Lenny was a legendary finals performer.

Always lifted 3-4 notches in big games.

Steele will need to replicate that before he is at Lenny's level for mine

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We need to get Steele in those finals first. I have full faith that he has the drive that Lenny had. And I'm not saying that lightly. I think Steele would move earth itself if it meant finals success. I just have that feeling about Jack

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[wolfpac13]

lol a west coast supporter starting a thread here

who cares

 

[saintkildaman]

who cares

Exactly it’s a fair discussion, pretty similar players. Both can tackle all day and win contested footy. I feel like Lenny had a bit more class, his foot skills in particular were quality whilst Steele is a better overhead mark.

As others have said Lenny went to another level in big games which gives him the edge, hopefully we see Steele get the same opportunity in finals soon.

 

[wolfpac13]

Yesterday Luke Hodge (I think it was) said he'd never seen anyone as committed on the footy field as Jack Steele. I haven't followed him closely but his efforts etc are definitely admirable. This invariably brought to mind a comparison with the great Lenny Hayes, who was often praised for his toughness and heart and leadership on the field. They seem to play similar roles too. Granted very different eras, but how would you compare the two as players and leaders?

Steele is a great player and probably our most important player however he isn't anywhere near Lenny's level yet.

In saying that, Lenny had some great players around him.

 

[plugger66]

Both great. Lenny still in front because of his finals record that Steele hasn’t had a chance to prove yet. Sydney breed tough players. Rugby background.

 

[AirWinmar]

Steelo just needs to get Lenny's side step and more of an opportunity to shine in finals

 

[gringo2011]

Steele is a great player and probably our most important player however he isn't anywhere near Lenny's level yet.

In saying that, Lenny had some great players around him.

Lenny's ability to strap the side on his back and drag them out of the trenches set him apart. He was a very good player but his internal drive was what made him special.

 

[plugger66]

Lenny's ability to strap the side on his back and drag them out of the trenches set him apart. He was a very good player but his internal drive was what made him special.

Probably got that from the first family he lived with when drafted. Almost certain.

 

[wolfpac13]

Lenny's ability to strap the side on his back and drag them out of the trenches set him apart. He was a very good player but his internal drive was what made him special.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[stavro#4]

Probably got that from the first family he lived with when drafted. Almost certain.

Took awhile to get going.

 

[plugger66]

Took awhile to get going.

How tough was he in his first game. Probably because of all the chicken and chips he ate.

 

[stavro#4]

How tough was he in his first game. Probably because of all the chicken and chips he ate.

Fair play. Your pre season pillow fights obviously helped mould the toughest saint I had growing up.

 

[plugger66]

Fair play. Your pre season pillow fights obviously helped mould the toughest saint I had growing up.

My ex had the pillow fights. I just watched.

 

[stavro#4]

My ex had the pillow fights. I just watched.

As long as everyone enjoyed themselves plugger.

 

[lethalsaints]

Lenny

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Probably got that from the first family he lived with when drafted. Almost certain.

Used to carry you home when you got tired on your walkies didn’t he. Like Samwise and Frodo you two

 

[plugger66]

Used to carry you home when you got tired on your walkies didn’t he. Like Samwise and Frodo you two

Yes but don’t know the other 2.

 

[TassieSaint]

Lenny is massively underrated and was one of the best midfielders of a generation that included Ablett, Judd, Swan etc. Love Steele but I can't think of an aspect of his game that Lenny wasn't better at. Steele maybe better overhead?

Leadership wise same boat, Steele is great but Lenny was a one in a generation type leader.

 

[plugger66]

Lenny is massively underrated and was one of the best midfielders of a generation that included Ablett, Judd, Swan etc. Love Steele but I can't think of an aspect of his game that Lenny wasn't better at. Steele maybe better overhead?

Leadership wise same boat, Steele is great but Lenny was a one in a generation type leader.

Steele certainly had him overhead. Lenny was an underrated third man up not that you can do that anymore.

 

[George]

Hayes is streets ahead of Steele IMO. Both are tough, courageous "spiritual leader" types but Hayes stood up time and time again for us in big finals. 2005 qualifying, 2010 GF. A warrior. Granted Steele hasn't had those opportunities yet but I can't put him on par or ahead unless he has similar performances in big games.

 

[plugger66]

Hayes is streets ahead of Steele IMO. Both are tough, courageous "spiritual leader" types but Hayes stood up time and time again for us in big finals. 2005 qualifying, 2010 GF. A warrior. Granted Steele hasn't had those opportunities yet but I can't put him on par or ahead unless he has similar performances in big games.

The fact that Steele is or maybe was our best player yet isn’t ahead of Lenny just says how good our side was in the late 2000’s Lenny was only the second best player then and only the third best when he played. Some may even argue fourth or fifth best We had some unbelievable players. How the hell didn’t we win a flag. I’m getting sad now.