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Player Watch Jamie Elliott
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The Royal Sampler
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Can you point to somewhere that reports this diagnosis as fact?
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The Royal Sampler
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So you’re saying Tom Morris ended up the way he did because his Dad didn’t know the difference between “effect” and “affect”?
Big news if true.
In b4 someone jumps in and says “it doesn’t matter because all language is just a human construct, and we are mostly just empty space between electrons of which we can only identify their location or path, but not both simultaneously”.
The messaging around Elliott continues to be at odds with each other IMO.
First injury update on the Collingwood website containing news on Elliott was on May 13th:
Next update on May 20th:
May 27th update:
Latest update 4th June:
We were initially told it was only a minor vascular issue and was treatable.
Okay we can accept this initial diagnosis might have been wrong but it was only last week it was still being stated he could return anywhere between King's Birthday and round 16.
Fast forward to yesterday and suddenly he'll miss another 6 to 8 weeks with the main reason of conditioning being given.
Alas go back to the first update and Wade specifically states he will be able to maintain his fitness and further updates state he's been doing a modified program.
I highly doubt a player who last played just over a month ago and one who was already a supreme athlete now needs up to a further 8 weeks to gain full match fitness. That makes no sense to a lay person let alone when Wade has specifically stated previously that wouldn't be required.
So what's really going on?
The more plausible explanation seems to be the one offered by the West Coast supporter and it's purely a wait and see to how his vascular system responds with increased workload and stress on his body.
First injury update on the Collingwood website containing news on Elliott was on May 13th:
Next update on May 20th:
May 27th update:
Latest update 4th June:
We were initially told it was only a minor vascular issue and was treatable.
Okay we can accept this initial diagnosis might have been wrong but it was only last week it was still being stated he could return anywhere between King's Birthday and round 16.
Fast forward to yesterday and suddenly he'll miss another 6 to 8 weeks with the main reason of conditioning being given.
Alas go back to the first update and Wade specifically states he will be able to maintain his fitness and further updates state he's been doing a modified program.
I highly doubt a player who last played just over a month ago and one who was already a supreme athlete now needs up to a further 8 weeks to gain full match fitness. That makes no sense to a lay person let alone when Wade has specifically stated previously that wouldn't be required.
So what's really going on?
The more plausible explanation seems to be the one offered by the West Coast supporter and it's purely a wait and see to how his vascular system responds with increased workload and stress on his body.
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Ah yes. The West Coast supporter. I love his credentials.
The Royal Sampler
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I have found myself confused by the West Coast supporter and his lack of punctuation. I disagree with his diagnosis based upon the available information but we’re all really playing darts blindfolded at the moment.
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It may well be that whatever treatment/ medication he is on to prevent a reoccurrence precludes him from playing .
The Royal Sampler
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I think the key point is that the first update that came out, was before Elliott had seen the vascular specialist to develop a program let alone implement it.
The initial timeline given had Elliott coming back between weeks 13 and 16, now we’ve just finished week 12 and they’re saying that he has not yet fully recovered, albeit the messaging sounds positive.
Long story short, this is a condition the club has not seen a lot of, they implemented a program which is showing improvement but not at the expected rate, so they’ve updated the timeline.
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Think the number 1 credential was repeating but not learning the same lesson so he kept breaking bones?
The Royal Sampler
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Just leaving this here. Still fits better for me than DVT.
https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/08/jogging-disease
Another possibility along similar lines;
“Clinical signs and symptoms of CECS of the foot remain diverse and lack the consistency of its counter part in the leg. The range of signs and symptoms include swelling, tension, cramps, tightness, paraesthesia, numbness, cyanosis and soft tissue indurations.”
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/45/2/e1.43
https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/08/jogging-disease
Another possibility along similar lines;
“Clinical signs and symptoms of CECS of the foot remain diverse and lack the consistency of its counter part in the leg. The range of signs and symptoms include swelling, tension, cramps, tightness, paraesthesia, numbness, cyanosis and soft tissue indurations.”
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/45/2/e1.43
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not good, wasnt his foot
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Good news. Billy still has both feet.
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Sounds like the Murphy situation all over again.
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No bandages or compression stockings.
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No need to bandage prosthetic feet
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Surely they still would though, because it's all a big conspiracy isn't it?
Is that really Billy? Has he been photoshopped in? A lookalike actor? Deep fake?
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Murphy had a long history of concussions and we knew he was working his way back from being medically cleared to even attempt to play footy again, and still had to reach a point where he felt comfortable to play, which he never did.
I don't think there was any point in the process where we were not being told the whole story - It was just a situation where we were hoping it went one way and ended up going the other.
COLLINGWOOD captain Darcy Moore says Jamie Elliott's health is the main priority as the premiership forward battles a vascular problem that will sideline him for at least another six weeks.
Elliott hasn't featured at AFL level since round eight because of the vascular issue in his foot, which the Magpies say is almost resolved.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1144990...lity-will-hoskin-elliott-to-face-fitness-test
The 31-year-old is on track to resume outdoor training in the club's rehabilitation group this week, but still faces up to another two months out of the team.
Elliott's ongoing battle comes with ninth-placed Collingwood tackling a huge injury toll ahead of the King's Birthday blockbuster against Melbourne.
"Jamie's dealing with an injury concern at the moment and taking a bit of time to recover," Moore said on Wednesday.
Jamie Elliott reacts after the final siren of the match between Essendon and Collingwood at the MCG in round seven, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos
"He's still in that recovery phase, so his health is obviously paramount and comes first.
"Then once he's done with that phase he'll look to try and get back out there on the field.
"We just wish him all the best but his health is definitely paramount right now."
Fellow forwards Brody Mihocek (hamstring), Mason Cox (knee/concussion), Joe Richards (foot) and Dan McStay (knee - season) are also out of action, though Will Hoskin-Elliott (hamstring) and young key forward Reef McInnes (concussion) could return against Melbourne.
Collingwood has used regular defenders Jeremy Howe and Billy Frampton to fill holes in attack in recent weeks, and Ash Johnson was recalled for last-round's loss to the Western Bulldogs.
Dual All-Australian defender Moore began his career as a forward but laughed off suggestions he could return to the role as a solution to the Pies' personnel problems.
"We've got plenty of options," Moore said.
"We've tried some guys in different roles across the field over the last few weeks and always with a bit of change there are some issues.
Elliott hasn't featured at AFL level since round eight because of the vascular issue in his foot, which the Magpies say is almost resolved.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1144990...lity-will-hoskin-elliott-to-face-fitness-test
The 31-year-old is on track to resume outdoor training in the club's rehabilitation group this week, but still faces up to another two months out of the team.
Elliott's ongoing battle comes with ninth-placed Collingwood tackling a huge injury toll ahead of the King's Birthday blockbuster against Melbourne.
"Jamie's dealing with an injury concern at the moment and taking a bit of time to recover," Moore said on Wednesday.
Jamie Elliott reacts after the final siren of the match between Essendon and Collingwood at the MCG in round seven, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos
"He's still in that recovery phase, so his health is obviously paramount and comes first.
"Then once he's done with that phase he'll look to try and get back out there on the field.
"We just wish him all the best but his health is definitely paramount right now."
Fellow forwards Brody Mihocek (hamstring), Mason Cox (knee/concussion), Joe Richards (foot) and Dan McStay (knee - season) are also out of action, though Will Hoskin-Elliott (hamstring) and young key forward Reef McInnes (concussion) could return against Melbourne.
Collingwood has used regular defenders Jeremy Howe and Billy Frampton to fill holes in attack in recent weeks, and Ash Johnson was recalled for last-round's loss to the Western Bulldogs.
Dual All-Australian defender Moore began his career as a forward but laughed off suggestions he could return to the role as a solution to the Pies' personnel problems.
"We've got plenty of options," Moore said.
"We've tried some guys in different roles across the field over the last few weeks and always with a bit of change there are some issues.
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I’m referring to the way in which his return date seems to get pushed further and further out, a la Murphy’s.
I am well aware that they are for different medical reasons.
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I wonder if it's in his right leg? Probably dumb question, but can tattoos cause vascular issues? His left leg is clean as far as tattoos are concerned.
When they toured the cup last year I wrote to the club suggesting that they photograph it with Jamie at this location…….
As a good Euroa recruit I thought there was a synergy about it.
Alas….
jmac70
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You made a silly comparison.
Own it.
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I'm explaining to you that the lack of transparency that we're questioning in this case was not present in Murphy's case, so they're not comparable.
If he gets back for finals, would we fly him to interstate games?
