January 26th 2025

[SBD Gonzalez]

I’m loving the gracelessness and boorishness on display in some of the posts telling us to just celebrate Australia Day.

Maybe some people just don’t want to celebrate with some of you.

 

[loki04]

If you can’t make the connection between dispossession and disadvantage that is your problem.

Plenty out there doing well as well.

I know quite a few I've worked with who hate the victim mentality and worked hard and are now in a great position in life.

Your generalising a whole race which is kinda ironic from a woke lefty.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Where was the poll taken what numbers. Imo most polls are bullshit and usually wide of the mark.

The polls had trump not winning.

Polls had the voice as preferential.

It is often too focused in certain demographics or population clusters.

Many don't vote or even see it ro begin with.

Read all about it.

A level of nuance strikingly lacking from a lot of the conversation on here.

Support for changing date of Australia Day softens, but remains strong among young people: new research

A new survey shows a solidifying of views on the Australia Day date across the country, but young people remain in favour of changing it.

theconversation.com

 

[Demons09]

Pretty reductionist to talk about ‘non white migrants’ as some single homogeneous group, all with the same opinion. They’re a lot more diverse than you may realise, whether originally Sudanese, Vietnamese, Colombian…you name it. And there’s a great diversity of thought and experience within those groups, as you would expect they are collections of individuals with, for the most part, agency.

It’s like some other post where some guy was talking about people from the bush in cartoonish terms as all being rednecks and racists, while seemingly unaware of the high levels of indigenous heritage in populations outside cities and enormous migrant success stories in regional Australia. Off the top of my head in Victoria alone think of the Karen refugee community in Nhill or thriving migrant communities in Shepparton.

This blanket assertion that they’re ‘appeasing bogans’ is also very odd. Especially, as many migrants have fought hard to come from countries with little political freedom or economic opportunity - maybe some are trying to ‘appease bogans’, many I’d suggest are genuine in wanting to celebrate Australia, and many are secure in themselves and don’t care what others think. In fact the social cost of not ‘appeasing bogans’ for many would be laughable compared to the considerable risks they or their families have already taken to come here - seems like a really weird motivation.

Dai Le, for example, who represents one of Australia’s most multicultural electorates, knows a thing or two about the migrant experience and one of her constant themes is how many migrants are genuinely proud to be Australian and to display that. ‘Appeasing bogans’ as far as I can tell, doesn’t seem to be a motivation for her in doing that and if you told her that it was I don’t reckon she’d appreciate being reduced and patronised in that way.

For what it’s worth I reckon we should change the date to something more representative of what many consider the 3 key elements of Australian history: our indigenous heritage, British settlement and all the pros and cons that go with that, and the multicultural migrant experience. FWIW I’d change the flag too. All that said, any such changes would require compromise (i.e. all sides would need to give a little) on a scale that seems beyond us as a society. The obvious solution for me has always been change to a republic, then change the date to whenever the republic begins. But we tried to go down that road a generation ago, the referendum was crushed and we all know the republic’s a busted flush for the foreseeable future.

So in the absence of that I think it’s just fine to celebrate or commiserate the day and the flag as you see fit. There’s much to be happy about and many sobering things in our history to reflect upon.

Tbh the average Australian bogan wouldn’t care what these activists call them i mean have they looked in the mirror at the way they look at these protests, they can’t even show there faces wearing their masks, embarrassed to be recognised by someone they know.

 

[schneebly111]

Lol the funniest part of it all is the Nationalist Socialist Party aka Nazi party was based on left authoritarian socialism.

Hitler was a leftist. Have a look at the evidence the communist propaganda post war tried it best to disassociate him with it and said he aligned with Western society values and the then Marxist in the west bought in and taught in unis. Revised history, lol funny fair bit of that going around Australia atm too.

Have a browse through that guy’s YouTube channel. No idea what his real name is or what his credentials are, but he has videos ranting where he’s convinced Keir Starmer is a Marxist, everyone on the left is a closet Marxist.

He’s as reliable as a piece of poo

 

[Doc1763]

I’m loving the gracelessness and boorishness on display in some of the posts telling us to just celebrate Australia Day.

Maybe some people just don’t want to celebrate with some of you.

If you want to see gracelessness and boorishness, watch the news tonight. tens of thousands of ultra left wing w***ers in their natural habitat.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Plenty out there doing well as well.

I know quite a few I've worked with who hate the victim mentality and worked hard and are now in a great position in life.

Your generalising a whole race which is kinda ironic from a woke lefty.

No one’s saying they aren’t.

Those of us with indigenous friends and work colleagues are well on top of how things are for them.

Can we quit with these reductive binaries?

 

[Not Important]

I’m loving the gracelessness and boorishness on display in some of the posts telling us to just celebrate Australia Day.

Maybe some people just don’t want to celebrate with some of you.

you know sbd, i reckon if you asked the average punter to list the top ten issues that bother him/her this wouldn’t be in them. it’s a trumpian issue put out there by ‘thug’ and his fellow travellers designed to divide.

 

[schneebly111]

Tbh the average Australian bogan Australian wouldn’t care what these activists call them i mean have they looked in the mirror at the way they look at these protests, they can’t even show there faces wearing their masks, embarrassed to be recognised by someone they know.

I don’t think the majority at the rallies are mask wearers.

We have a poster here who said they were going to go to a rally today, hopefully they report back first hand wasn’t really went on.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

There is a very wealthy leftist nutter in Sydney who pays people to go protest, he paid the Adani protesters a wage and bought a farm for them to stay on.
Won't mention the shit that went on allegedly there.

Left usually try to shut down discourse and dissenting views regardless how minor. Leftist are intolerant to people who aren't all the way in 100%.

They live in echo chamber on social media and try tactics to shut people down and silence them by either heavy handed moderators or trying the old heavily weighted shame tactics of Racists, Homophobic, Nazis, etc..

Most people straddle the fence of left and right ideals myself included i think both sides of the fence have valid ideas, concerns and should be heard.

And people talk about a leftist echo chamber.

 

[loki04]

I’m loving the gracelessness and boorishness on display in some of the posts telling us to just celebrate Australia Day.

Maybe some people just don’t want to celebrate with some of you.

How's them lemons treating you champ?

Only lemons around my mates and families day are being thrown into drinks, along with fun, cheers and laughter.

Oh wait a beautiful day and beautiful country.

How jealous you must be sitting there in wallow and misery staring out the window at those horrible Aussies enjoying life...

 

[Kram]

No one’s saying they aren’t.

Those of us with indigenous friends and work colleagues are well on top of how things are for them.

Can we quit with these reductive binaries?

I would bet that you don't personally know a single indigenous Australian.

 

[Boxo004]

I’m loving the gracelessness and boorishness on display in some of the posts telling us to just celebrate Australia Day.

Maybe some people just don’t want to celebrate with some of you.

Well don’t. No one is stopping you. We’re a free country so you have those options

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How's them lemons treating you champ?

Only lemons around my mates and families day are being thrown into drinks, along with fun, cheers and laughter.

Oh wait a beautiful day and beautiful country.

How jealous you must be sitting there in wallow and misery staring out the window at those horrible Aussies enjoying life...

I’m loving the gracelessness and boorishness on display in some of the posts telling us to just celebrate Australia Day.

Maybe some people just don’t want to celebrate with some of you.

 

[loki04]

I don’t think the majority at the rallies were make wearers.

We have a poster here who said they were going to go to a rally today, hopefully they report back first hand wasn’t really went on.

The best one was when to save the environment up in Bowen they handcuffed themselves (dumb as mud) to a coal train. Whilst another peanut jumped up into a wagon and dug it out until the police arrived...they literally just contaminated the entire zone around that part of the rail to you know save the environment...

 

[Boxo004]

I don’t think the majority at the rallies are mask wearers.

We have a poster here who said they were going to go to a rally today, hopefully they report back first hand wasn’t really went on.

Can imagine

 

[schneebly111]

There seems to have been a massive amount of people jump on this thread today who didn’t post before loudly proclaiming they are proud to celebrate Australia Day and f**k anyone who doesn’t.

Strange because you should be all out having fun and not worrying about “leftie scum” right?

 

[schneebly111]

Can imagine

Well wait for their feedback, might enlighten a few posters here

 

[Boxo004]

The best one was when to save the environment up in Bowen they handcuffed themselves (dumb as mud) to a coal train. Whilst another peanut jumped up into a wagon and dug it out until the police arrived...they literally just contaminated the entire zone around that part of the rail to you know save the environment...

Bob brown driving his diesel Land Cruiser the length of Australia to protest is up there

 

[Doc1763]

There seems to have been a massive amount of people jump on this thread today who didn’t post before loudly proclaiming they are proud to celebrate Australia Day and f**k anyone who doesn’t.

Strange because you should be all out having fun and not worrying about “leftie scum” right?

some Australia Day BBQs are at lunch time, some Australia Day BBQs are at dinner time

 

[schneebly111]

Oh but one to add to the collection of “ridiculous shit that has come out of the mouths of Liberal MPs on January 26th”

Ley compares First Fleet to Musk's Mars mission in Australia Day speech

Sussan Ley says Australia Day is a day of celebration, likening the arrival of the British First Fleet to Elon Musk's efforts to build a colony on Mars.

www.abc.net.au

She joins Michaelia Cash and Bridget McKenzie in the nonsense stakes, I think Ley might actually win the prize for dumbest take.

 

[loki04]

I’m loving the gracelessness and boorishness on display in some of the posts telling us to just celebrate Australia Day.

Maybe some people just don’t want to celebrate with some of you.

Well don't!

No one's forcing you.

But enough with trying to force your CHANGES on the majority.

Go out and enjoy the day or wallow and self flagellate on your own, dont drag the reat down while you drown in your own tears...Get it?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The impact of the First Fleet landing on Jan 26 was not relevant to the vast majority of the tribes across a huge landmass.

'brutal frontier invasion' is mischaracterisation. There were some peaceful interactions and some violent.

In 1788 Australia was under English law. The colonisation was deemed to be 'settled not invaded'. In 1992, the Australian High Court confirmed this under the Mabo decision.

Sheesh not sure where to start…

Maybe read up a bit on the frontier wars and then get back to us.

David Marr recently wrote an astonishing book looking into his own ancestors’ history of slaughtering Aboriginals.

It’s all there on the public record so there’s no point pretending it didn’t happen.

(Or were all those 19th century regional newspapers just woke lefties in disguise?)

 

[Doc1763]

Well wait for their feedback, might enlighten a few posters here

oh yeah, it will be riveting

 

[Boxo004]

There seems to have been a massive amount of people jump on this thread today who didn’t post before loudly proclaiming they are proud to celebrate Australia Day and f**k anyone who doesn’t.

Strange because you should be all out having fun and not worrying about “leftie scum” right?

You’ve been in this thread all week spouting left wing ideology. Why are you here and not at a rally?