January 26th 2025

[SBD Gonzalez]

What about it?


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Have you read it? Still convinced Australia Day protesters are a bunch of privileged rich w***ers?

 

[Gavin Excell]

America totally thought Japan would attack, because they'd been goading them into a war for years and wanted to put them in their place.

What they didn't expect was that they would attack without declaring war first.

And when you look at the Japanese advances in the first months of the Asia / Pacific War before the tide finally started to turn, you can imagine a lot of American top brass thinking they had made one of the biggest underestimations in history.

Anyway, probs not for this thread.

Yes not for this thread but the intelligence failings Pearl Harbour appears staggering to 2025 eyes

 

[HirdsTheWord]

America totally thought Japan would attack, because they'd been goading them into a war for years and wanted to put them in their place.

What they didn't expect was that they would attack without declaring war first.

And when you look at the Japanese advances in the first months of the Asia / Pacific War before the tide finally started to turn, you can imagine a lot of American top brass thinking they had made one of the biggest underestimations in history.

Anyway, probs not for this thread.

I don't think that's entirely accurate but agree not for this thread.

Apologies.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yes not for this thread but the intelligence failings Pearl Harbour appears staggering to 2025 eyes

There are many, many excellent books on the topic.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Then again Germany amassed massive troop movements on the Russian border 1941 that went largely unnoticed

 

[schneebly111]

What about it?


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Here’s a link:

Post in thread 'January 26th 2025'
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/january-26th-2025.1391000/post-86569985

Rallies today held a variety of opinions and views, yes indigenous Australians are not homogenous. They have an overarching view that the view around Jan 26 needs to be different.

 

[Roylion]

We don’t need a history lesson.

You're the one bringing it up to make a point about Australia Day.

Japan never was going to attack Australia so the Anzacs never “fought for freedom”

Not as part of the Pacific War.

However in March 1942, the Imperial Headquarters formally agreed to a "Fundamental Outline of Recommendations for Future War Leadership" which relegated the option of invading Australia as a "future option" only if all and when all other plans went well. (i.e. Japan won the Pacific War). This plan was presented to the Emperor by PM Tojo and accepted. The plan was obviously not implemented, however, as a direct consequence of Japan’s defeats in the Battle of the Coral Sea (which involved Australian cruisers), Kokoda and the Battle of Midway, and was finally cancelled in July 1942.

Could it be argued that Australians in World War II, fought for "freedom"? Possibly.

 

[Goroyals22]

Have you read it? Still convinced Australia Day protesters are a bunch of privileged rich w***ers?

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Probably not smart to try and talk about a post where a speaker wanted a million dollars a year for each indigenous person… doesn’t prove the point you were after, nor do issues other speakers seemed to raise.


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[MadMundy]

My take is there's no wrong or right answer in regards to Australia Day.

If you don't think it should be celebrated and think that the date should be changed, don't celebrate it.

If you think it should be and don't care about the date, then celebrate it.

Simple as that, it's all down to personal preference. Nobody's right or wrong for their choice.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

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Probably not smart to try and talk about a post where a speaker wanted a million dollars a year for each indigenous person… doesn’t prove the point you were after, nor do issues other speakers seemed to raise.


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Sheesh you really are a virtuoso at making sure to miss the point.

 

[Doc1763]

Okay. Then I'll judge that you see people who aren't white as subhuman because Brendon Tarrant and Fraser Anning did and they also don't like leftists voicing their opinions. That's just as valid as claiming everyone who went to a rally today labels those who didn't as "fascists".

You're sick

 

[JackOutback]

Sussan Ley decided to rip the mask right off today, didn’t she?

 

[Doc1763]

They have the same aims - delegitimise and tear down Australia. And replace it with……. They never say.

Sharia law

 

[Goroyals22]

Well today’s almost done and dusted… only another twelve months before it’s back to the same old stories next year… happy what’s left of the Australia Day long weekend


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[Skeppersap]

Well today’s almost done and dusted… only another twelve months before it’s back to the same old stories next year… happy what’s left of the Australia Day long weekend


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It was a cracker in Sydney.

 

[campbell]

LOL funny how often it happens. Twice just today on here.

Poster comes on a forum.

Posts some pungent opinions. Clearly itching for a stoush but maybe at least tries to engage civilly to begin with.

Over the course of the day the mask slips.

Posts get more and more insulting, stereotyping and moronic, and then...

...that bright red Suspended badge.

LOL. Twice today in this forum.

Alcohol may be a factor.

or not.

 

[nobbyiscool]

My take is there's no wrong or right answer in regards to Australia Day.

If you don't think it should be celebrated and think that the date should be changed, don't celebrate it.

If you think it should be and don't care about the date, then celebrate it.

Simple as that, it's all down to personal preference. Nobody's right or wrong for their choice.

Isn't the point to have a national day that, you know... the nation can celebrate? Something that unifies the nation?

It's what I'll always come back to. For all this pointless culture war shit, we're dying in a ditch over a date that we only chose 30 years ago, that a significant enough proportion of the community cannot/will not celebrate.

That's insensitive, and it's reason enough to change it to something completely arbitrary. It's nothing to do with any tradition, it's about putting First Australians in their place and being paternalistic.

If it were up to me?

"It's going to be, let's say the 2nd Saturday of February every year."

"What does that mean? What's the significance of that date?"

"Absolutely bloody nothing, here is a new date on which we can unify, and create new traditions and significance."

 

[schneebly111]

Sussan Ley decided to rip the mask right off today, didn’t she?

Michaelia Cash hinted at a return to Terra Nullius in a column earlier in the week, but Ley is dumber so just replaced the dogwhistle with a megaphone.

Holy **** even the Australian! has pointed out her crap:

January 26 marks the date the First Fleet established a settlement at Sydney Cove, beginning Britain’s colonisation of Australia.

For many First Nations Australians, it is a day of mourning.

Researches have estimated as many as 1.5 million Indigenous Australians lived on the continent prior to colonisation.

The population was a little over 100,000 as of the 1900s, largely due to massacres and new diseases brought by colonists.

Unlike Australia, there is no evidence of past or present life on Mars.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/sussan-ley-likens-first-fleet-to-elon-musks-mars-mission/news-story/aed83070cb5a8e234fcae4800c4fedae?amp&nk=3359391fa250eab366cb7667fdf333e4-1737894422

I wonder if Tuesday morning the weekend editor is going to have their ass reamed for that article. Either way it won’t amount to anything, even a public slap on the wrist and Dutton knows she’s done her job to dogwhistle to the One Nation crowd to get their primary votes.

 

[10571z]

What are the demands for the “protestors” because someone of the signage is bizarre.

 

[The Dice Man]

My fellow Australians, Happy Australia Day.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Our Anzac's did nothing to defend our freedoms, to paraphrase Eric Bogle they were blown right back to Australia by the Turks.

Opinion.

Regardless.

Point being there's a difference between remembrance (Anzac as most see it) and lament (Aus day as some see it)

 

[Skeppersap]

What are the demands for the “protestors” because someone of the signage is bizarre.

I saw a sign held by what looked to be a youngish white female which said 'i live on stolen land'.

Well **** off somewhere else so you are not living on it!!!

 

[Carringbush2010]

not even Japan in WW2 planned to invade Australia (confirmed by the Japanese PM after the war).

The diggers invading Turkey in 1915 were certainly not fighting for Australian freedom, Nor against the Boers, or in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and the disgrace that was Afghanistan. Don’t give me the rubbish that the Anzacs were fighting for freedom. They never were and they never have.


The deputy leader of the party who wants to be the new government today said the country was like an uninhabited planet when the first fleet rocked up.

Whatever, not the point.

See post 1449, like I said just an opportunity for you express your outrage. When most don't wanna outrage, they just want a holiday without some ahole calling em racist, bigot whatever.

 

[10571z]

I saw a sign held by what looked to be a youngish white female which said 'i live on stolen land'.

Well **** off somewhere else so you are not living on it!!!

It’s truely bizzare. If you feel that strongly follow your family tree and head back to where you originated from..

 

[Carringbush2010]

not even Japan in WW2 planned to invade Australia (confirmed by the Japanese PM after the war).

The diggers invading Turkey in 1915 were certainly not fighting for Australian freedom, Nor against the Boers, or in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and the disgrace that was Afghanistan. Don’t give me the rubbish that the Anzacs were fighting for freedom. They never were and they never have.


The deputy leader of the party who wants to be the new government today said the country was like an uninhabited planet when the first fleet rocked up.

Whatever, not the point.

See post 1449