January 26th 2025

[Rob R]

This is a stalling tactic, used effectively in the republic referendum and repeated ad nauseum ever since. That's a separate decision that can made after it's determined whether most people are in favour of a new date or simply if a decision is simply made.

It is the right way to do things, otherwise you could end up with a solution that less people want compared to the current model/date.

Unless of course, it is a cancel decision.
Then, If the republicans ever agree on a model (which would seem to be simple, GG chosen by a two thirds majority of the senate) and it gets up in a referendum then that can be a new national day.

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[schneebly111]

Polls suggest majority still want Jan 26 kept, yet you think it is oh so easy to change. Again, a date chosen randomly will not get up. It's a denial of political reality. Every public holiday has some meaning or symbolisim to it.

The IPA polls ask “do you think Australia Day should be kept on Jan 26” mostly because they’re no alternative. But I’d like to see a poll which ask this question:

“Do you think Australia Day public holiday should remain on the 26th of January even if that means it falls midweek, or do you think it should be a guaranteed long weekend last weekend in January?”

I reckon the “keep it on the 26th” numbers would fall dramatically in that case.

 

[peetoo]

Because Jan 26 is already recognised as a National day, there is inevitably going to be debate about that if Jan 26 is no longer going to be the designated National day. then what will it be changed to.

Nearly every country of the world, with the exception of the UK and Denmark, have a National Day, and usual it is recognition of the Independence or Federation of a country.

Jan 1, Australia's Federation, has been proposed. However a change to this would be problematic for Australia as there would be no Indigenous significance to this date.

UK equivalent might be the ‘saints’ day Andrew David Patrick in Scotland Ireland wales

England had George (not the beatle) but allegedly hardly set foot in England, let alone play soccer

 

[Cmarsh]

The IPA polls ask “do you think Australia Day should be kept on Jan 26” mostly because they’re no alternative. But I’d like to see a poll which ask this question:

“Do you think Australia Day public holiday should remain on the 26th of January even if that means it falls midweek, or do you think it should be a guaranteed long weekend last weekend in January?”

I reckon the “keep it on the 26th” numbers would fall dramatically in that case.

Why not ask that question for every non-permanant Monday Public Holiday?

There are people who don't like Anzac Day because they see it as too much recognition of war and white men.

 

[schneebly111]

Why not ask that question for every non-permanant Monday Public Holiday?

There are people who don't like Anzac Day because they see it as too much recognition of war and white men.

Why not?

Anzac Day is the worst. Only 2% of the population attend services, and states are now closing shopping centres and venues for the whole day so it’s incredibly boring for the vast majority of the public. At least with a guaranteed long weekend you can head away somewhere.

 

[Cmarsh]

Why not?

Anzac Day is the worst. Only 2% of the population attend services, and states are now closing shopping centres and venues for the whole day so it’s incredibly boring for the vast majority of the public. At least with a guaranteed long weekend you can head away somewhere.

Leaving aside the accuracy of your claim of 2% of people attend services, your suggestion would only be palatable if one had the belief that public holidays are meant exclusively for the convenience and pleasure of the public. But there is more to Public Holidays than that.

 

[campbell]

27th May please.

 

[faible]

27th May please.

For context:

1967 Australian referendum (Aboriginals) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MPMonkeys]

I heard a proposal once that I didn’t entirely agree with but I could see how it could be a somewhat improvement over the current situation.

The dawn and morning of the 26th starts off as a solemn affair, dawn services to acknowledge the hurt and loss suffered by indigenous people, recognition of the wrongs of settlement and the importance of indigenous people in our history.

As the day progresses through the afternoon and evening we move to where the nation is now and where we want it to be in the future with community events to present award winners and acknowledgment of the youth and their vision for the future. Overt celebration like fireworks and flag waving is toned down, so the day becomes a bit more respectful.

I could see how that would be a bit better, but now Dutton and Murdoch have ensured the flag waving brigade will be decked out in full force on the day basically acting like bogan tools so the day won’t be one of respect. In the mid 00s it got so bad at the Big Day Out concerts held on the day when bogans were demanding concertgoers kiss Aussie flags or risk getting smacked in the head. I fear the bogan nationalism is where the day is headed.

And how do you propose that this is enacted in real-life?

Do we hold guns to peoples heads and tell them to be solemn>
Or criminalise flag waving?

 

[Cmarsh]

27th May please.

Might get some political traction with the Greens and the Blak Sovereignty Movement. Not much beyond that though.

 

[liz]

For context:

1967 Australian referendum (Aboriginals) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It seems off to me to celebrate restoring something to indigenous Australians that should never have had to be restored. Like they should be grateful, or something, that the country finally recognised their personhood.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Why not?

Anzac Day is the worst. Only 2% of the population attend services, and states are now closing shopping centres and venues for the whole day so it’s incredibly boring for the vast majority of the public. At least with a guaranteed long weekend you can head away somewhere.

2% of the population is still over 1/2 a million people. Sheer logistics mean that anything more than 2% would be a near impossibility to achieve.

 

[faible]

It seems off to me to celebrate restoring something to indigenous Australians that should never have had to be restored. Like they should be grateful.

It's a pretty big moment in Australian history though, 90% of the population came together and said 'this isn't right, let's change it'.

I can't imagine a vote like that getting 90% today, people would vote no just to stick it to the woke left or some such.

 

[faible]

Or criminalise flag waving?

Just stopping selling shitty Chinese made merch with a British Ensign flag on it at Woolworths should do the trick.

 

[Gough]

Policy free Pete and the never ending culture wars.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/watch-live-opposition-leader-peter-dutton-addresses-media-in-ipswich-queensland-ahead-of-federal-election/news-story/3d802dbe465b8d1120bf8e4424471068?preview=true

 

[schneebly111]

Leaving aside the accuracy of your claim of 2% of people attend services,

The 2% was recorded in 2019 down from about 5% in 2015, the 100th anniversary.

your suggestion would only be palatable if one had the belief that public holidays are meant exclusively for the convenience and pleasure of the public. But there is more to Public Holidays than that.

But hold on, I’m told that Australia Day is all about having a “BBQ and piss up with mates” - that’s what it’s all about, don’t think too much about the symbolism of it all.

So now you acknowledge the day has to have meaning why have it on the 26th which has little meaning to the nation of Australia?

Have it March 3 for the passing of the Australia Act or October 24 for the Tenterfield Oration or make us a Republic on Feb 1st?

 

[MPMonkeys]

Policy free Pete and the never ending culture wars.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/watch-live-opposition-leader-peter-dutton-addresses-media-in-ipswich-queensland-ahead-of-federal-election/news-story/3d802dbe465b8d1120bf8e4424471068?preview=true

He was asked a question from a journalist.

 

[MPMonkeys]

The 2% was recorded in 2019 down from about 5% in 2015, the 100th anniversary.



But hold on, I’m told that Australia Day is all about having a “BBQ and piss up with mates” - that’s what it’s all about, don’t think too much about the symbolism of it all.

So now you acknowledge the day has to have meaning why have it on the 26th which has little meaning to the nation of Australia?

Have it March 3 for the passing of the Australia Act or October 24 for the Tenterfield Oration or make us a Republic on Feb 1st?

Who is telling you that?
That seems to be yourself projecting what you think every-day Australians do on Australia Day. That does not make it a fact and therefore cannot be the starting point of your argument.

 

[Deliverance]

I get that, but the context for the push for change against January 26 is that is considered by many to be divisive and disuniting. Therefore, a push for change must have unifying, meaningful and symbolic elements to have any chance of public agreement. Setting an arbitrary date just for the sake of it won't cut it.

The push is not because it's divisive and disunit8ng. The push is because it's traumatic.

 

[schneebly111]

Policy free Pete and the never ending culture wars.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/watch-live-opposition-leader-peter-dutton-addresses-media-in-ipswich-queensland-ahead-of-federal-election/news-story/3d802dbe465b8d1120bf8e4424471068?preview=true

Pretty stunned Dutton refuses to attend the official National Australia Day celebrations, for such a “proud patriot”.

 

[peetoo]

What date did Churchill abandon Singapore to the japanese? As good as any day

 

[MPMonkeys]

Pretty stunned Dutton refuses to attend the official National Australia Day celebrations, for such a “proud patriot”.

There are multiple official Australia Day celebrations.

 

[schneebly111]

That seems to be yourself projecting what you think every-day Australians do on Australia Day. That does not make it a fact and therefore cannot be the starting point of your argument.

No, what I see of “everyday Australians” doing on Jan 26 is normal stuff they would do on any day off. Some of those on the left and indigenous people attend invasion day rallies, on the right they deck themselves out in flags and get “patriotic” on the day. That’s what I’m seeing in my experience over the last few years. The vast majority in the middle not doing much

 

[schneebly111]

There are multiple official Australia Day celebrations.

The one in Canberra being the most prominent that Albo attended as a sigh of unity as Opposition leader.

 

[Mofra]

What date did Churchill abandon Singapore to the japanese? As good as any day

15 February - importantly, still good barbeque weather.

Marked the end of battleships as the premier seas going projection of power (in lieu of aircraft carriers) which the Japanese-US Pacific war would then underline.