January 26th 2025

[liz]

The problem is the final outcome is basically settled. Its Jan 26th.
Its the policy of both the Labor and LNP parties, poll after poll shows that to be the preferred date and it is the incumbent date.
The issue is some people just will not accept the answer.

So no society can ever change its mind on anything (I’m not thinking narrowly about the date of Australia Day) because what we have is encumbant?

But specifically on Australia Day, what do you most like about Australia Day? Is it important to you? If so why?

Is there anything you dislike about Australia Day, or think could be improved?

 

[MPMonkeys]

So no society can ever change its mind on anything (I’m not thinking narrowly about the date of Australia Day) because what we have is encumbant?

But specifically on Australia Day, what do you most like about Australia Day? Is it important to you? If so why?

Is there anything you dislike about Australia Day, or think could be improved?

They can change their mind however there needs to be appetite for the change led by one of the major parties preferably.

Its not up to me to argue the case to keep the date. The date is the date until the people are convinced otherwise.

 

[MPMonkeys]

This thread is generalist and not specifically about ‘change the date’

I see Dutton must have been asked about it by a ‘journo’ again mate, cos he’s fired up again a couple of days ago. What an absolute phoney

Correct as was Wayne Swan and Jason Clare.
Maybe you need to tell the media to stop asking them the question.

 

[Goroyals22]

Correct as was Wayne Swan and Jason Clare.
Maybe you need to tell the media to stop asking them the question.

So was Elmur Fudd..

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[Frank Bunn]

The people who would now defend ‘advance australia fair’ would have fought tooth and nail to defend god save the queen from being replaced by it

Both tunes are dirges.

The words for Advance Australia Fair are pretty uninspirational. It became the national anthem because it was the least shit option in a referendum over Waltzing Matilda and God Save the Queen. But at least it's about the country.

God save the King/Queen is one of the worst national anthems. It assumes the existence of a supernatural supreme being along with the archaic notion that monarchs are divinely appointed and protected. It doesn't even refer to the nation once, just that he/she will 'reign over us'.

 

[faible]

Both tunes are dirges.

The words for Advance Australia Fair are pretty uninspirational. It became the national anthem because it was the least shit option in a referendum over Waltzing Matilda and God Save the Queen. But at least it's about the country.

God save the King/Queen is one of the worst national anthems. It assumes the existence of a supernatural supreme being along with the archaic notion that monarchs are divinely appointed and protected. It doesn't even refer to the nation once, just that he/she will 'reign over us'.

Waltzing Matila is way more inspiring.

The only redeeming quality in Advance Australia Fair is the word girt.

Any future new anthem should include this word.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Waltzing Matila is way more inspiring.

It's a good tune. But the words are about a homeless person who has a questionable relationship with his bedroll, steals a sheep and drowns in a pond.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Waltzing Matila is way more inspiring.

The only redeeming quality in Advance Australia Fair is the word girt.

Any future new anthem should include this word.

So take INXS' "Kiss the dirt (falling down the mountain)" and make it "Kiss the girt"?!

 

[faible]

It's a good tune. But the words are about a homeless person who has a questionable relationship with his bedroll, steals a sheep and drowns in a pond.

Sounds more authentically Australian than Advance Australia Fair to me

 

[JackOutback]

Yeah because there is strong opinions and passion. It's just discussion but at a louder volume. Happens naturally when people disagree with one another.

What is the passionate reason for keeping the date? And no, ‘it’s always been this way’ isn’t a passionate reason.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Sounds more authentically Australian than Advance Australia Fair to me

Didn't you just claim Waltzing Matilda was inspiring?

 

[Cmarsh]

What is the passionate reason for keeping the date? And no, ‘it’s always been this way’ isn’t a passionate reason.

It's the official establishment of the colony. Some think that is very significant and get fairly passionate about it.

 

[faible]

Didn't you just claim Waltzing Matilda was inspiring?

Authentically Australian content? Good tune? Yep she’s a banger.

 

[JackOutback]

It's the official establishment of the colony. Some think that is very significant and get fairly passionate about it.

Of NSW, sure. I’m from WA, why should I care?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Authentically Australian content? Good tune? Yep she’s a banger.

You skipped the part of how it is inspirational.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

What in your post is inconsistent with your opening assertion?

It’s just a battle that the Labor Party has no interest in engaging in right now. With good justification.

It might take another decade or two before we’ve grown up sufficiently as a country to have a proper discussion on the topic - one where people are prepared to engage and prepared to listen.

It's a losing fight at this point.
When it becomes politically convenient it will change in a heartbeat.
To get to that point you need a majority onboard with it. As you say we are probably a decade or two away probably even longer after the voice referendum.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Of NSW, sure. I’m from WA, why should I care?

You could say the same thing about 'invasion day'. There were 250 aboriginal 'countries' when the first fleet landed at Sydney Cove. 26 January has no significance to nearly all of those tribes.

 

[Demons09]

Of NSW, sure. I’m from WA, why should I care?

Well the majority in WA cares as does the majority in Australia.

 

[Cmarsh]

Of NSW, sure. I’m from WA, why should I care?

That's just a technicality. The colonisation greatly inflenced the history and the social and economic trajectory of the land that would become known as Western Australia, as it did all of Australia.

 

[kalex6251]

Waltzing Matila is way more inspiring.

The only redeeming quality in Advance Australia Fair is the word girt.

Any future new anthem should include this word.

ill happily stand for this .... otherwise my fat lily white 'woke' ar$e remains seated

 

[Rob R]

Barely a peep about Keating and Rudd's busts in Ballarat being decapitated. The Redfern Speech and National Apology have really riled someone up this Australia Day. If this was Cook it would be front page of every paper and leading the national nightly news.

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almost all the other statues in the area were defaced and no link has been found to the Redfern speech or the apology. Sounds like just your usual scum out and about.

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[campbell]

You could say the same thing about 'invasion day'. There were 250 aboriginal 'countries' when the first fleet landed at Sydney Cove. 26 January has no significance to nearly all of those tribes.

250 countries.
Fair dinkum.

 

[Boxo004]

Been invited to an Australia Day bbq. Not sure whether to go. Hate to be labeled a racist bogan for celebrating the country I live in.

 

[swingdog]

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Good nominations but even though the majority of national anthems are rooted in a daggy [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]th century romantic sensibility, I have big issues with any attempt to modernise them.

Witness West Coast’s excruciating club song.

(I think I just have issues with people singing in public in general! Majorly cringey for me.)

The best national anthems are about killing other people: France and Scotland.

Everything else is pish.

 

[Barrybran]

The problem is the final outcome is basically settled. Its Jan 26th.
Its the policy of both the Labor and LNP parties, poll after poll shows that to be the preferred date and it is the incumbent date.
The issue is some people just will not accept the answer.

This is a myopic perspective and completely disregards what this date means to the people who have been here the longest