January 26th 2025

[AvantGardener]

What a load of crap.

Firstly (and relatively trivially) 9/11 is never going to clash with Thanksgiving because one is in September and one at the back end of November.

More significantly, someone - in their wisdom - decided that the best date for Australians to celebrate our country is a date that signifies the start of British colonisation. It quite purposefully chooses an event in our history that our indigenous countrymen might lament, not wish to celebrate. It is exclusionary by design and intent.

Suggesting that our indigenous countrymen lack resilience because they’re pissed off with that is crass.

Well yeah der but the Thanksgiving was just a hypothetical. If the Twin Towers got crashed into on Thanksgiving Day.

It was made Jan 26 because it was determined most appropriate day. Not out of ill will.

I think you mean countrypeople, don't let the patriarchy win.

 

[Pistol Night]

Yeah the majority will just need to be shown these signs and be more than happy to leave .. it really is just the date you see



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Yeah i know mate but we cast just let this fester and escalate year upon year

 

[Goroyals22]

Yeah i know mate but we cast just let this fester and escalate year upon year

Let it fester. It’s reducing in popularity these marches so eventually they will get bored of it. ..
Moving the date will not change what they are after

 

[Reg Grundy35]

why the hell would you want to celebrate on a day that you knew caused distress to a group of people unless you were a campaigner? you obviously cant stand them so you dont give a shit how they feel. Keep uniting the country, boy!!. Don’t be divisive will ya?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Enabling the lack of ownership and resilience is not in my repertoire.

Phwooarr, tough!

 

[liz]

Well yeah der but the Thanksgiving was just a hypothetical. If the Twin Towers got crashed into on Thanksgiving Day.

It was made Jan 26 because it was determined most appropriate day. Not out of ill will.

I think you mean countrypeople, don't let the patriarchy win.

If not ill-will then crass insensitivity. And something that is so easily retreated from at zero cost to anyone and gain to those for whom the day is one for lament, not celebration. It is so NOT a zero sum game except for those who gain pleasure from the hurt of indigenous Australians.

As a woman, I am part of mankind and choose to use the morpheme “man” in a way that is gender neutral.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Let it fester. It’s reducing in popularity these marches so eventually they will get bored of it. ..
Moving the date will not change what they are after

Which part of “53% of Australians aged between 18 and 34 are in favour of moving the date” are you having trouble with?

 

[Goroyals22]

Which part of “[emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji639]% of Australians aged between [emoji637][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]] and [emoji639][emoji640] are in favour of moving the date” are you having trouble with?

Probably id go with the majority overall champ


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[Cap]

My indifference to Australia Day is largely driven by having a British HOS and a British flag.

I didn't see much about Australia Day anywhere to be honest, I even went shopping!

I'm more inclined to continue to be indifferent when I see the people defending the date the most are usually the most intolerant anyway.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Probably id go with the majority overall champ


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“champ” ? really?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Which part of “53% of Australians aged between 18 and 34 are in favour of moving the date” are you having trouble with?

if that's the measure do a proper national vote and see.

referendum/plebiscite/whatever

 

[Goroyals22]

if that's the measure do a proper national vote and see.

referendum/plebiscite/whatever

And it was only fourty two percent in that cohort …

Not even a majority


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[liz]

if that's the measure do a proper national vote and see.

referendum/plebiscite/whatever

As already explained earlier in this thread, pretty much everyone arguing for a change accepts we are currently in a minority in the country. There is no point in doing a poll if everyone knows the majority would vote for no change. Now.

But that's not to say the question is settled for ever. Or should be. Our society is in constant flux and new generations will shape our society to their will. Less than sixty years ago we didn't recognise Aboriginal Australians as humans. They weren't counted in the population and had no rights.

Woman all around the globe have had to fight for the right to vote - it wasn't automatic for all women in Australia at Federation. In many countries the extension of the right to vote was achieved much later.

It's not that long ago that homosexuality was considered to be a mental disorder, and it didn't start to be decriminalised in Australia until 1975, when South Australia led the way.

For now, you guys can enjoy celebrating Australia Day on January 26th if you wish. And those who favour a change of vote can continue to voice their opinions and to march in protest. Welcome to a democracy that values freedom of expression (albeit not enshrined in our Constitution).

 

[HirdsTheWord]

As already explained earlier in this thread, pretty much everyone arguing for a change accepts we are currently in a minority in the country. There is no point in doing a poll if everyone knows the majority would vote for no change. Now.

But that's not to say the question is settled for ever. Or should be. Our society is in constant flux and new generations will shape our society to their will. Less than sixty years ago we didn't recognise Aboriginal Australians as humans. They weren't counted in the population and had no rights.

Woman all around the globe have had to fight for the right to vote - it wasn't automatic for all women in Australia at Federation. In many countries the extension of the right to vote was achieved much later.

It's not that long ago that homosexuality was considered to be a mental disorder, and it didn't start to be decriminalised in Australia until 1975, when South Australia led the way.

For now, you guys can enjoy celebrating Australia Day on January 26th if you wish. And those who favour a change of vote can continue to voice their opinions and to march in protest. Welcome to a democracy that values freedom of expression (albeit not enshrined in our Constitution).

yeah, but that isn't what people are saying.

They are saying change the date. I don't see any * on these signs at rallies saying Change The Date! *not just yet though.

I have no issues with the date changing but its bizzare to want something, but not want to go through the only process that's going to get it.

I have no issues with protest either, just bizarre you guys want to do it, but then say your not ready yet?

 

[Romeoh1]

I would have thought it is quite simple. If you believe you are living on stolen land, then do something about it yourself by no longer living on stolen land!

Yeah, nah. Feel like it’s simpler to just change the date. And she’s out there at a protest trying to get that to happen-so she is doing something herself isn’t she?
I don’t hear anyone suggesting we relocate, or give back the land- so why not work out solutions that make more sense, and changing a national holiday from a date that plenty of people don’t find is a cause to celebrate ( eg the land was stolen and the indigenous world turned upside down from then on )seems a pretty simple place to start. It’s a complete no brainer to me.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

The only alternative date I can see for Australia Day that's not New Years Day (Federation Day) and has any sort of meaning is the 9th July. This was the date when the Federation of Australia was signed off and given royal assent by the Queen. From this date, we were all going to be recognised as Australian. It was just a matter of waiting for the formalities after that.

 

[Goroyals22]

Yeah, nah. Feel like it’s simpler to just change the date. And she’s out there at a protest trying to get that to happen-so she is doing something herself isn’t she?
I don’t hear anyone suggesting we relocate, or give back the land- so why not work out solutions that make more sense, and changing a national holiday from a date that plenty of people don’t find is a cause to celebrate ( eg the land was stolen and the indigenous world turned upside down from then on )seems a pretty simple place to start. It’s a complete no brainer to me.

Does paying rent count? …and abolishing Australia is say go get knicked basically…


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[Frank Bunn]

Yeah, nah. Feel like it’s simpler to just change the date. And she’s out there at a protest trying to get that to happen-so she is doing something herself isn’t she?
I don’t hear anyone suggesting we relocate, or give back the land- so why not work out solutions that make more sense, and changing a national holiday from a date that plenty of people don’t find is a cause to celebrate ( eg the land was stolen and the indigenous world turned upside down from then on )seems a pretty simple place to start. It’s a complete no brainer to me.

Do you think you are living on stolen land?

If so, how would changing the date of a national holiday change that?

 

[Romeoh1]

Do you think you are living on stolen land?

If so, how would changing the date of a national holiday change that?

Well unless, you have a different concept of stolen- then yes, we are living on stolen land. Did we ask permission? Did we take it by force? Did we make equitable reparations?
Of course it won’t change that, nothing can return things to how they were- and as I already said above, then we work on other things that might help- such as changing from the date when the land was essentially stolen. Its recognition that we took it and in doing so changed their world and that by and large, hasn’t always been a good thing for their culture, so it’s not something lots of people find celebratory. Why would anyone want to celebrate on a day that you know causes pain to lots of people, or doesn’t sit easily with lots of people?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Because they don’t want indigenous culture recognised as part of Australian culture, so to denigrate it they make up things like “the WTC was invented by Ernie Dingo”. It’s so they can denigrate the culture to diminish it and ensure Australian culture is solely based off white Anglo culture.

You've had a couple of goes at this. Ernie Dingo didn't invent WTC but he helped to popularise it. There's no evidence that WTC was ubiquitous across indigenous tribes, but it has become a common belief that there was one ancient Aboriginal culture that needs to be preserved. Much of it is a modern invention.

Welcome to Country has been accepted and promoted without us thinking about it too much. The term was invented in the 1980s. It became a thing in the modern era after some scared hippies wanted approval to use some land for a festival.

WTC has morphed from a custom that some indigenous groups had hundreds of years ago, to a bunch of hippies seeking permission to hold a festival, to some kind of national virtue signalling meaningless ritual.

How a 50-year-old hippie festival sparked the Welcome to Country phenomenon

How thousands of hippies, sometimes stoned, often naked, helped usher Welcome to Country into mainstream Australia.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The only alternative date I can see for Australia Day that's not New Years Day (Federation Day) and has any sort of meaning is the 9th July. This was the date when the Federation of Australia was signed off and given royal assent by the Queen. From this date, we were all going to be recognised as Australian. It was just a matter of waiting for the formalities after that.

Or 9th May when Federal parliament sat for the first time

 

[Frank Bunn]

Well unless, you have a different concept of stolen- then yes, we are living on stolen land. Did we ask permission? Did we take it by force? Did we make equitable reparations?

I asked if you are living on stolen land.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

You want to go from one date celebrating colonialism to another date that... celebrates colonialism?

Way to miss the point...

So what can Australia celebrate as a nation?

 

[Goroyals22]

Well unless, you have a different concept of stolen- then yes, we are living on stolen land. Did we ask permission? Did we take it by force? Did we make equitable reparations?
Of course it won’t change that, nothing can return things to how they were- and as I already said above, then we work on other things that might help- such as changing from the date when the land was essentially stolen. Its recognition that we took it and in doing so changed their world and that by and large, hasn’t always been a good thing for their culture, so it’s not something lots of people find celebratory. Why would anyone want to celebrate on a day that you know causes pain to lots of people, or doesn’t sit easily with lots of people?

The land wasn’t stolen… you can’t own the land. If you wish it was lost in a battle… happens all the time in wars upto this day..

Same as if china came and then took over Australia … we lost to bad. You don’t get paid for losing . The whole land wasn’t stolen on Jan 26 so any day has the same problem.

Not one benefit comes from changing a date. It won’t improve outcomes at all. If you feel guilty then that’s on you. The rest of us will go on having a blast.




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[Doc1763]

So what can Australia celebrate as a nation?

We can't, that's the aim of the exercise