Bomberblitzer
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You speak about the topic as if you're any more informed than the other foamers on the board.
Hint: you're not.
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Play Nice Jobe Watson hands back Brownlow Medal
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I know, right? What a shame such glorious material is wasted 30 pages deep.
It's a massive injustice.
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There was probably a point in time before it all came out where the players must have thought "have we stuffed up". I'm sure they were well past the point of no return by that stage and whatever behaviours they exhibited were motivated by their and their club's discourse of arse-covering.
I am not suggesting that the players were 100 percent innocent victims. I'm not suggesting that the players themselves couldn't have handled everything better from the outset. And I'm most certainly not suggesting that the players had no ability to prevent this scenario from happening had they stood up and said "no" from the beginning.
What I am suggesting, and it's my firm belief, is that at NO point did ANY of the players have it set in their mind that they'd go out and intentionally cheat. I think the situation got out of hand very quickly and there was a crossover period where many people panicked and as a result the situation was handled extremely poorly.
How exactly do you think the club framed this regime to the players? Do you think the club was open and honest in its dialogue to the players? Through a combination of coersion and manipulation, the club made it subtlety clear that it would be to a player's detriment if they didn't take part is my guess.
I know that one player didn't, David Zaharakis, and good on him, but this situation came out and Essendon were exposed way too early for there to have been any long-term fallout over his lack of compliance. David was also a star player, something which would have left him feeling a lot more comfortable than many of the young/fringe players on the list.
Unless you can prove that the players deliberately complicit, then you're just speculating. This pack mentality in this thread and in general is pretty shameful.
Yes, the players had injections/supplements which were deemed to be banned. Yes, the players didn't handle the situation and the subsequent fallout well. However, anyone with a modicum of empathy will be able and willing to delve a little deeper into what happened and deduce from there that the players don't deserve the smashing they've been dealt with by many in here.
I'll reiterate that I believe firmly that Jobe was given little choice but to hand back his Brownlow. I do not believe that a Brownlow can be compatible with a conviction of taking illegal substances, therefore his handing back of said Brownlow was a foregone conclusion and the correct decision. But I'll always empathise with their plight too.
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So he didn't delay for an unreasonable amount of time after being found guilty of PED use?
He didn't announce the decision amidst a huge story unfolding?
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Dave Culbert is a ****ing idiot only idiots listen to that flog.
doona
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Was it his job to hand it back? If the AFL wasn't incompetent, the medal would have been stripped as soon as the appeal failed.
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Bomberblitzer
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It is a big decision to make. I'd say the time he took to actually make that decision was definitely reasonable - especially because Jobe maintains he never knowingly received illegal injections.
And I'm not sure what you're arguing with regards to the timing of his announcement. Is the whole world meant to stop making important decisions for a week just because some orange dickhead got elected?
He had every right to hold onto the medal until the appeal was over.
And your 2md point is nonsense. Jobe handing back the medal led the 6 o'clock news last night. You honestly think he waited until Donald Trump won an election against all odds and smart predictions to announce his decision?
Chief
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Of course he had no right to it after he was found guilty of using performance enhancing drugs. No right at all. He and the AFL should have had a plan either way. The commission should have been meeting right up to the end of the appeal to hit the ground running.
Jobe has had, what, three years to consider this very issue.
Instead they dithered and the reputation of all involved is further damaged.
Such a joke.
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Im just answering claims he lied to ASADA, which given the points I raised, are untrue
Agree entirely. Nobody has left this saga with reputations in tact.
Obviously Hird, Dank, Robinson, Thompson etc have had their reputations shattered and deservedly so.
The players reputations have been damaged significantly as they all served suspensions for drug cheating. Jobe as the highest profile player, the captain and Brownlow medallist has had his reputation damaged in the eyes of all but the deluded and insular who treat AFL players differently to Olympic and other pro athletes.
The AFL's reputation has been trashed by its pathetic mishandling of the situation from the investigation, to the attempt to circumvent ASADA/WADA, to their embarrassing kangaroo court which found the players not guilty (in circumstances where the AFL would be sued if they were banned), to the ridiculous inertia in not stripping Watson of his medal.
Plenty of journalists have watched their reputations drop to laughing stock. Robinson was never really seen as anything else and Tim Watson can be excused for defending his son but even the likes of Rohan Connelly, previously respected, have damaged themselves with sycophantic, fanboy and insular coverage of the scandal.
Shameful period for Essendon, the game and all in any involved in the mess.
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Yo Hird - denial ain't just a river!!!
(Hird still thinks that Watson didn't do anything wrong. I think we should all pitch in for a hyperbaric chamber that he can share with Chicky).
(Hird still thinks that Watson didn't do anything wrong. I think we should all pitch in for a hyperbaric chamber that he can share with Chicky).
Honourable person would have stepped down, Jobe didn't, and continued to occupy a position of leadership that led those who followed him to a 12 month holiday - to be compared directly with Paul Gallen who dealt with self interest versus leadership.
Good blokes, irrelevant !!
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I think they saw an opportunity like no other to make the announcement.
With the election he was in the spotlight for one news cycle. Without it he'd be in the news every night until he actually handed it over.
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No he wouldn't. We wouldn't have heard anything until the commission meeting.
I think you're overestimating just how much normal people still care about this saga.
We'll never see eye to eye on this mate. I will be disappointed if Sam took that medal. That whole 2012 is just a stuffed up year.
I will say why quickly, Essendon was the main hit in that year by ASADA, and the politicians at the "big announcement" but there was talk then and after about other clubs having been involved in injecting regimes. So without any detail, and I'm not for a minute suggesting Sam or Cotchin were involved in those clubs , in fact the clubs I heard about neither of these guys were near.
I'm saying its a tainted year and the medal just lost its gloss on this season. But each to their own .
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Christ, the vast majority of your posts are just rubbish.
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Not one person I know outside of this place who's a footy head has even mention it, not one.
See the bonus in having a life outside of BF...
Bomberblitzer
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What does matter at the end of the day? He has made the decision to return it and in doing so displayed more class and maturity than anyone involved in the saga.
Despite that he still cops it because people aren't willing or are incapable of showing some human empathy.
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Exclusive footage of Sam Mitchell's reaction to the news.
Cant see it. Only a couple of shit stirrers.
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I wish they called me a class act when I handed the 20 bucks back to the elderly lady who dropped it in the market last week! Actually, no. It's just a normal thing to do, like breathing, requires no accolades.
So winning a brownlow proves you were on peds.
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After the final CAS decisions he could either give it up or dither.
Class and maturity would have been fronting up on day one and handing it over. Do the right thing.
Instead he dragged it out at a time when your club should have been working to put it behind them.
He has chosen a moment well past the watershed to make the decision. Now he's the guy who took PEDs and then wouldn't hand back the Brownlow until he had no other choice. And dumped the bad news amid the US election fallout.
Yes, he gave it back. But he did it in such a terrible way he gets very little credit. That is his fault, and also the fault of anyone advising him.
And Robbo calling it an injustice. What a flog.
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