Joel Selwood Geelong BnF/Travis Boak not in Ports best 3!!!

[Sekaj]

His level of performance was judged by the umpires to have performed in the top 10 players for the competition on their 3-2-1 basis in a 10 win side whilst missing two games. He's an elite talent performing to an elite level. Don't like it then argue with what's now written history.

What's now written history is as follows:
Best & Fairests: 0
All-Australians: 0
Brownlows: 0
119s: 1

Sounds elite to me. Even Porplyzia and Vince got a AA nomination at least.

 

[FlyingCrow]

His level of performance was judged by the umpires to have performed in the top 10 players for the competition on their 3-2-1 basis in a 10 win side whilst missing two games. He's an elite talent performing to an elite level. Don't like it then argue with what's now written history.

Kane's consistency and ability to stay on the park places him high in our awards. I don't agree with it but have to accept it.

So top ten midfielder in Brownlow is elite? Bear in mind the Brownlow does not include key position players like Riewoldt and Pavlich who are elite.

My defintion of elite is best handfull of players in the comp. Boak is not that.

Kane's consistency and ability to stay on the park places him high in our awards.

So you agree with the OP in that your club rewards mediocrity?

 

[Jumbo]

What's Gray got to do with anything???

Why isn't anyone mentioning who the crowies drafted in the same year/round as Joel Selwood and Boaky?

edit: other than Powerkat

 

[Jumbo]

james sellar

 

[Sekaj]

What's Gray got to do with anything???

Read the post I was quoting, dummy. Jumbo was trying to bag Douglas.

And according to Port Power supporters Robbie Gray was supposed to be "the second coming of Gary Ablett Jr" and yet Douglas' 2010 season was better than anything Gray has ever produced so far.

 

[Gray Day]

Why isn't anyone mentioning who the crowies drafted in the same year/round as Joel Selwood and Boaky?

edit: other than Powerkat

Oh boy how did I miss that..
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=1732&tid2=14&pid2=1723&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

 

[wapower]

What's now written history is as follows:
Best & Fairests: 0
All-Australians: 0
Brownlows: 0
119s: 1

Sounds elite to me. Even Porplyzia and Vince got a AA nomination at least.

They were both excellent performers this season.

So top ten midfielder in Brownlow is elite? Bear in mind the Brownlow does not include key position players like Riewoldt and Pavlich who are elite.

My defintion of elite is best handfull of players in the comp. Boak is not that.


So you agree with the OP in that your club rewards mediocrity?

You've proven over time that your ability to deconstruct any sort of argument is lacking so forgive me for dismissing your point of view.

No, I would agree that our fairest and best awards simple consistency.

 

[Sekaj]

james sellar

... has never ever played an AFL game as shit as Matthew Lobbe's last effort where the spud only managed 1 disposal from a free kick. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[Sekaj]

They were both excellent performers this season.

Below their standards this season. I was just making the point that despite them at least managing to get a AA nomination last year, nobody has considered them elite.

So do you think Boak is the only player in AFL history with no All-Australians, Best & Fairests or medals of any note that must be considered elite?

 

[FlyingCrow]

Selwood has been greatly assisted by the experienced depth at Geelong. He's a great player and in hindsight you'd pick him. Heaps of draft picks would be different with the benefot of hindsight. Boak is developing nicely and is far from a dud so it's an acceptable result.

At least we controversially picked him before James Sellar who won't even be on the camries list next year - lol.

You wouldn't think Selwood is better than GAJ though, would you? So it looks like the Geelong coaches wanted to make sure that their BnF wasn't going to be won by him. Selwood was just in the right place at the right time.

Different kind of player. Your ignorance is showing.

We erred in picking Sellar ahead of other great Key Position players such as Kurt Tippett. Who is the best Key Position player picked after picked 14.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_AFL_Draft

Tell me, which Key Position player on that list picked after Sellar should we have picked, in hindsight.

If we can get Sam Jacobs, who declined to even see Port Adelaide yet wanted to come home to live in Adelaide, for Sellar that would be a good get.

 

[Sekaj]

Tell me, which Key Position player on that list picked after Sellar should we have picked, in hindsight.

I would say Kurt Tippett.

 

[dav3]

So how many votes did Patty "The Next Roo" Dangerfield get at the Crows BnF? I can't even see him in the top 10

 

[Sekaj]

Why isn't anyone mentioning who the crowies drafted in the same year/round as Joel Selwood and Boaky?

Kurt Tippett, David Mackay, etc. Both of whom have performed well above what was expected from their draft pick positions.

 

[Sekaj]

So how many votes did Patty "The Next Roo" Dangerfield get at the Crows BnF? I can't even see him in the top 10

A lot more than Matthew "1 disposal from a free kick in my last AFL game" Lobbe who was taken in the same year/round.

 

[Jumbo]

Kurt Tippett, David Mackay, etc. Both of whom have performed well above what was expected from their draft pick positions.

As per the question they were in a different round you dummy

 

[wapower]

Below their standards this season. I was just making the point that despite them at least managing to get a AA nomination last year, nobody has considered them elite.

So do you think Boak is the only player in AFL history with no All-Australians, Best & Fairests or medals of any note that must be considered elite?

I considered Porplyzia an elite small forward and Vince was looking like an elite midfielder with the world at his feet. Porplyzia has regressed into shoulderitis underperformis and Vince has been found out as a party boy front runner.

Boak on the other hand. He stood up and performed in a side under immense pressure and was noticed by the umpires for it.

It's easy to play well when your side is winning isn't it Sekaj. Guess D_One was right that the Crows are nothing more than a bunch of front runners.

 

[Sekaj]

I considered Porplyzia an elite small forward and Vince was looking like an elite midfielder with the world at his feet. Porplyzia has regressed into shoulderitis underperformis and Vince has been found out as a party boy front runner.

Boak on the other hand. He stood up and performed in a side under immense pressure and was noticed by the umpires for it.

You obviously have very low standards when it comes to considering someone elite. Must be a by-product of supporting a rabble like Port Power when any half-decent player is automatically considered elite. Surjan is another case in point.

It's easy to play well when your side is winning isn't it Sekaj. Guess D_One was right that the Crows are nothing more than a bunch of front runners.

Nothing to do with being front runners. Both players struggled with injury and had limited pre-seasons.

And there's a difference to playing well when the side is winning as opposed to contributing to the side actually winning.

 

[Sekaj]

As per the question they were in a different round you dummy

Does it matter? Fact is we picked up some pretty handy players in that draft despite the fact that we did not have a top-5 pick at our disposal (which if we did, we would have probably used to select Joel Selwood instead of Travis Boak).

 

[TORRES_9]

Maybe Cyril Rioli was the one who dodged a bullet when he "interviewed poorly" and was subsequently overlooked by the Crows in favour of mighty Patrick Dangerfield.

 

[TORRES_9]

On a sidenote, is making Kane Cornes a three time BnF the definition of "celebrating mediocrity"?

Richard Douglas!

 

[FlyingCrow]

I considered Porplyzia an elite small forward and Vince was looking like an elite midfielder with the world at his feet. Porplyzia has regressed into shoulderitis underperformis and Vince has been found out as a party boy front runner.

Boak on the other hand. He stood up and performed in a side under immense pressure and was noticed by the umpires for it.

It's easy to play well when your side is winning isn't it Sekaj. Guess D_One was right that the Crows are nothing more than a bunch of front runners.

Didnt Boak only finish one vote ahead of Scott Thompson? Crows won one less game. Does that make Thommo elite.

I see Luke Hodge was not in the top 10, less BOGs, but on same number of votes as Boak. Does that mean Hodge is or is not Elite?

How about Brendon Goddard, he only got 14 Votes.

 

[wapower]

You obviously have very low standards when it comes to considering someone elite. Must be a by-product of supporting a rabble like Port Power when any half-decent player is automatically considered elite. Surjan is another case in point.

Nothing to do with being front runners. Both players struggled with injury and had limited pre-seasons.

And there's a difference to playing well when the side is winning as opposed to contributing to the side actually winning.

Given that Surjan is now widely considered the best small shutdown defender in the AFL congratulations for finally making a valid point and agreeing that my assessment of players is better than yours.

Injuries or not, the drop off in performance indicates they are front runners.

Point 3 makes no sense given playing well usually means you contribute.

 

[wapower]

Didnt Boak only finish one vote ahead of Scott Thompson? Crows won one less game. Does that make Thommo elite.

I see Luke Hodge was not in the top 10, less BOGs, but on same number of votes as Boak. Does that mean Hodge is or is not Elite?

How about Brendon Goddard, he only got 14 Votes.

1. I rate Scott Thompson as a player so I'm not to concerned by you using him.
2. Hodge is an elite player. Stupid question.
3. Goddard is an elite player.

 

[Jumbo]

Maybe Cyril Rioli was the one who dodged a bullet when he "interviewed poorly" and was subsequently overlooked by the Crows in favour of mighty Patrick Dangerfield.

How embarrassment picking dangerdud over cyril!!

 

[FlyingCrow]

1. I rate Scott Thompson as a player so I'm not to concerned by you using him.
2. Hodge is an elite player. Stupid question.
3. Goddard is an elite player.

Scott Thompson is not elite. He is an example of what I expect Boak to be. Roo and Macca were elite.

Goddard is, but using your Brownlow reasoning is not.

How many players in the AFL would you have in your elite group?

For me it is
Ablett
Goddard
Hodge
Montagna
Hayes
Selwood
Hodge
Pavlich
Riewoldt
Goodes

That is it, IMO the top ten players of the AFL are the elite ones. Pushing it with Goodes, but two Brownlows and a fairly good year this year puts him in. Apologies to D Swan, 11th IMO. Play with a tag and rack up some more meaningfull possies and he is in.