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Hold possession at all costs, move it slow. Stop the opposition scoring and try to overrun them by being the most boring team in the comp
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Coach John Longmire - Part III
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Same type of people who complain that we aren't playing at breakneck speed while simultaneously bemoan that we haven't been stockpiling inside mids for the last few years.
Yeah that's about the level of understanding expected.
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Great to see you can do better.
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Right sorry wasn’t going for a David king level analysis
It looks like we don’t do anything much at all that is effective, it’s just slow backwards generate attack off half back 2012 style.
But ok give us the answers and outline the gameplan and educate us all
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1) Henderson has been one of the most consistent players in the league this year, awesome pickup
2) Wingard really needs to step up for Hawthorn
3) Dangerfield is getting even more dangerous with Geelong having better support for him in midfield now
2) Wingard really needs to step up for Hawthorn
3) Dangerfield is getting even more dangerous with Geelong having better support for him in midfield now
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I'm quite open about the fact that my understanding of the game is limited, however I can at least a) make concessions to good positions when they're make and b) not argue contradictory positions for the sake of being right.
I don't know about Longmire, I can see the benefit in a new coaching structure as well as allowing time for a new plan which has clearly been developed and recruited for.
What I can't take is non stop, single sentence, inaccurate bitching about Longmire in every. Single. ****ing. Thread. By posters who cant event construct an accurate paragraph on play style.
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I can...it is a shit playing style that doesn’t produce wins against mediocre opposition. In fact, it’s not even competitive!
How’s that?
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Again, about what was expected.
An interesting observation.
Question: what do five of the top seven teams have that only one of the bottom seven teams do?
Answer: (in the top 7) Matthew Knights, Brett Ratten, Brenton Sanderson, Michael Voss and Mark Harvey.
(In the bottom 7) Brendan McCartney
Question: what do five of the top seven teams have that only one of the bottom seven teams do?
Answer: (in the top 7) Matthew Knights, Brett Ratten, Brenton Sanderson, Michael Voss and Mark Harvey.
(In the bottom 7) Brendan McCartney
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C’mon then, you tell us. Oh hang on, you can’t because you have limited knowledge of the game as stated. Yep, about what I expected too!
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Yet here we are, producing the exact same level of analysis on the game plan.
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And you still can’t offer an alternative to what you see as a bullshit excuse? Bullshit excuse!
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What?
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* must be dot point
* must be constructed
* must be legible
* must not be Layman’s terms
* must not be something I disagree with without offering an answer myself
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If the poster who did the analysis a couple of years ago is still around Id love to see your observations. I have my own ideas, some of which I can't explain TBH.
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Can't remember last week yet alone last year.
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Thanks King, interesting reading. The post I'm after isn't there though.
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It is a transition year and surely the coaches would know this... surely?!
This isn’t a direct dig at the players as individuals but the fact that we seem to have a strong desire to let Lloyd, Cunningham, Clarke and even Jones rack up most of our possessions and thus letting them be our playmakers who set up our offensive attack (from defence) is very concerning. These players are either poor to average by foot or poor to average decision makers... and sometimes both.
We may be taking on more risks but we are really struggling to get good service into the forward line. We have one of the best forwards in the comp and Buddy usually creates at the very least a contest but he is robbed of decent opportunities. I know he was injured a bit but look at Rohan’s form at Geelong, just being played as forward is working very well. We all knew he had that in him but why did we tried him at half back? If Longmire is going to persist with trying to win the game from getting it out of the backline the focus should be on much better users of the footy being in control and the decision makers. With McVeigh almost gone we seem to be in trouble here particularly if Stoddart and Mcinerrey are a couple of years off.
This isn’t a direct dig at the players as individuals but the fact that we seem to have a strong desire to let Lloyd, Cunningham, Clarke and even Jones rack up most of our possessions and thus letting them be our playmakers who set up our offensive attack (from defence) is very concerning. These players are either poor to average by foot or poor to average decision makers... and sometimes both.
We may be taking on more risks but we are really struggling to get good service into the forward line. We have one of the best forwards in the comp and Buddy usually creates at the very least a contest but he is robbed of decent opportunities. I know he was injured a bit but look at Rohan’s form at Geelong, just being played as forward is working very well. We all knew he had that in him but why did we tried him at half back? If Longmire is going to persist with trying to win the game from getting it out of the backline the focus should be on much better users of the footy being in control and the decision makers. With McVeigh almost gone we seem to be in trouble here particularly if Stoddart and Mcinerrey are a couple of years off.
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This picture says 1000 words.
Harley: WTF have I signed up for?
Maxfield: What’s Horse’s excuse this time?
Longmire: Well John, are you even an assistant coach or director of coaching or whatever it is?
Blakey: I gave you the talent from my loins, developed over 18 years...you’ve had 18 years to develop a Plan B mofo!
Harley: WTF have I signed up for?
Maxfield: What’s Horse’s excuse this time?
Longmire: Well John, are you even an assistant coach or director of coaching or whatever it is?
Blakey: I gave you the talent from my loins, developed over 18 years...you’ve had 18 years to develop a Plan B mofo!
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Isn’t the guy next to Horse Charlie Gardiner, not Blakey?
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Probably, I’m blind as a bat but Longmire’s worse, he’s talking to him and getting the same response
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People are just on board the "Longmire is chip chip crap" sack the coach and get Clarkson (or a Clarkson apprentice) bandwagon.
The funny thing is, the team that played (and still plays) the "chip chip" style is Hawthorn. It won them a bunch of flags. We've gone from "slingshot footy" to trying this "short kick - mark" style. We're not there yet, but we're showing signs of getting it. Still turning it over, but I have faith we'll get better at running into space, timing leads and picking the targets the more we do it. In recent seasons we seem to be trying to recruit for it with quick kids with good footskills which is what is required for the leading and precision kicking to make that gameplan work. And before someone mentions it, yes we got Clarke, but we needed another hard inside extractor. Clarke may not be that guy, but we needed someone, and he was available. Other than him, we've been going for pacy inside/outside players with good footskills (Ling, Stoddart, Florent, Macinerny , Rowbottom).
What i find hilarious though is that everyone wanted Clarkson to improve us. Yet we're trying to use a game style similar to Clarkson's that worked so well at Hawthorn. So while they're bagging Longmire for trying a chip-chip game style, they are full of praise for Clarkson and his chip-chip game style.
Bottom line, people don't know what they want. They want us to play fast exciting footy, while simultaneously wanting Longmire to be like Clarkson, who instilled a slow, methodical kick-mark gamestyle.
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I wish we'd play Mills in the midfield. It takes time to develop there. All the top picks who play in the midfield seem to take at least a season or two before they start to dominate. Given where our season is heading I dont see why we dont try to develop him. His development has largely hit a wall as a defender probably because he was never meant to be one.
I think Horse probably cops alot and rightly so for a couple of big games where he made few adjustments. However I'm not convinced that we'd have been nearly this successful if we threw in another coach. His gameplan was very successful from 11-16. However I think he has continued to try the same slingshot strategy for too long. Our mids are overworked and as they age, their bodies are breaking down (aka Hannerbery). I wonder if the same problem has caused K Jack and Luke Parker to under perform. I think this season hes tried to change to the short kick strategy but still hugely reliant on mids to flood back to the point where we often have no one to kick to and cant get it out of defense.
I think our list still has alot of talent (albeit young). I think he really erred in valuing superior foot skills with mitchell rather than realise we needed pure extractors. Hanners at the time he couldnt have known would fall off a cliff. But for Jack the signs were there. He then seemingly refused to develop Heeney/Mills in the midfield due to our perceived dominance at the time. I think this is what is hurting us the most now as we are losing the midfield battle every week.
I think Horse probably cops alot and rightly so for a couple of big games where he made few adjustments. However I'm not convinced that we'd have been nearly this successful if we threw in another coach. His gameplan was very successful from 11-16. However I think he has continued to try the same slingshot strategy for too long. Our mids are overworked and as they age, their bodies are breaking down (aka Hannerbery). I wonder if the same problem has caused K Jack and Luke Parker to under perform. I think this season hes tried to change to the short kick strategy but still hugely reliant on mids to flood back to the point where we often have no one to kick to and cant get it out of defense.
I think our list still has alot of talent (albeit young). I think he really erred in valuing superior foot skills with mitchell rather than realise we needed pure extractors. Hanners at the time he couldnt have known would fall off a cliff. But for Jack the signs were there. He then seemingly refused to develop Heeney/Mills in the midfield due to our perceived dominance at the time. I think this is what is hurting us the most now as we are losing the midfield battle every week.
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