Coach John Longmire - Part IV has resigned

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strauchanie59 said:
Not a fan of the excuses he's been rolling out this year, either. Have mentioned it on other threads, but injuries have constantly been brought up by Horse as a reason for our poor performances. Other teams have similar injury lists/key players out and they just get on with the job at hand.
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What other teams have lost their 1-3 best key defenders with their 4th (at the time, Melican) also unavailable?

And then lost almost all of their (best) key forwards at some points for periods except for McLean. Buddy has struggled at times whilst Amartey, Reid and McDonald all on the sidelines for extended periods.

Not to mention Hickey, then losing Ladhams.

Hell we played a mid season draftee a week after taking them due to these challenges!

Throw Mills onto the pile, even Roberts would have been handy.

I challenge you to find anyone team who has had a similar injury list to current or would be best 22 key position players forward, back and ruck.
 
TheMase said:
What other teams have lost their 1-3 best key defenders with their 4th (at the time, Melican) also unavailable?

And then lost almost all of their (best) key forwards at some points for periods except for McLean. Buddy has struggled at times whilst Amartey, Reid and McDonald all on the sidelines for extended periods.

Not to mention Hickey, then losing Ladhams.

Hell we played a mid season draftee a week after taking them due to these challenges!

Throw Mills onto the pile, even Roberts would have been handy.

I challenge you to find anyone team who has had a similar injury list to current or would be best 22 key position players forward, back and ruck.
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A lot of it was forseeable though.

Paddy was always high risk (multiple concussions which are cumulative)
Reid high risk
Buddy 36
Rampe 33.
 
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WillHayward said:
A lot of it was forseeable though.

Paddy was always high risk.
Reid high risk
Buddy 36
Rampe 33.
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Paddy got through an entire season unscathed so plenty of reason to believe the worst was behind him.

Reid and Buddy is fair, but then we lost McDonald and for most part Amartey with Francis lost as an option as had to go back to shore up the defence.

Rampe freak injury but at a time we had the three others out.

I understand where you’re coming from but I can’t remember a time when we have had our key position stocks get decimated like that.
 
adam waite said:
Im glad you mentioned The New Facilties. I have this crazy theory that since it opened, we have got worse!!!
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Copied this from the Essendon board - those zany Bomber fans seem to be of a view that Sydney’s training facilities haven’t sorted out Aaron Francis’ perceived fitness issues.

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SGBeach said:
Hey Mods..
Can I start a thread titled 'Time some posters (were) retired?

We have a Longmire thread.. Why do we another thread about the Swans very successful coach which demands in a very passive aggressive way that he should be sacked. Its not the first time that Grumpy Old Horace has started a thread wanting to discuss Horse getting the boot.

Just another example of people with Zero inside information thinking they know better than the Swans footy club.

Terrible thread IMO.
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C’mon - Port’s Sack Hinkley thread is up to iteration no.8.

We’re abject amateurs in the “Sack X” compared to Port.
 
TheMase said:
What other teams have lost their 1-3 best key defenders with their 4th (at the time, Melican) also unavailable?

And then lost almost all of their (best) key forwards at some points for periods except for McLean. Buddy has struggled at times whilst Amartey, Reid and McDonald all on the sidelines for extended periods.

Not to mention Hickey, then losing Ladhams.

Hell we played a mid season draftee a week after taking them due to these challenges!

Throw Mills onto the pile, even Roberts would have been handy.

I challenge you to find anyone team who has had a similar injury list to current or would be best 22 key position players forward, back and ruck.
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Collingwood would go pretty close...and they're sitting at 11-2. These players have missed chunks of football this year:

Howe is one of the best interceptors in the league.
Cameron is their number one ruckman.
McStay is their number one key forward.
Ginnivan kicked 40 goals last year in his second season.
Lipinksi is an underrated midfielder around the league and definitely not underrated within Collingwood.
Cox is fairly important as that second ruck who can mark just about anything kicked on his head.
Sidebottom is out for two weeks and looks like a few more, too.

On paper, I would even say our injury hit squad looks better than theirs. But McRae has instilled this culture of no excuses and getting the job done...and it's paying off big time. Players like Murphy, Frampton, Noble and McCreery are all, to put it in the nicest possible way, no-names, but the way they play is fun to watch and it is to the full of their ability. It reminds me of our mid-2000's teams...some stars over the field but a good share of players that perform week after week and yet nobody would know who they are. The depth they have, even with the injuries, is handy, too.

This upcoming off-season might be the most important the club has had in the last 20 years. It could genuinely make or break the future with a few key players coming to the end of their careers and other clubs looking to improve. Horse and those around him have to get it right, but I don't think they will.
 
After the Geelong game this year I was at an all time low with Horse and I concur he needed to be moved on.

Needs to get a win this week or this thread will be a hot mess!!

I do think Horse has let himself down in 2 grand finals but he has been able to recover and get the Swans playing well.

Time will tell this time but we need a response v Geelong. That for me is the game we need to target.

I think it was Terry Wallace for the bulldogs that used to get the players to sign a footy to symbolise they were in it together and to lift for a big occasion.

Swans Occassion is next week v Geelong. They need to make a stand and play the most ferocious game of contested footy to earn back respect.

Need the win this week and a huge performance at home against the team that has given out 2 embarrassments in the last 9mths to our club.

Horse needs to lift the boys in that game, as you have said Grand Uncle Horace they were laughing at our pitiful effort. * me Cameron pretended to drink a beer whilst playing in the GF.

We need to take a stand as a club, a line in the sand moment.

After this game will determine whether, Horse should stay or go.

Has a lot of ammunition and I am expecting a war. Anything less and that’s it for me, one more chance.
 

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strauchanie59 said:
Collingwood would go pretty close...and they're sitting at 11-2. These players have missed chunks of football this year:

Howe is one of the best interceptors in the league.
Cameron is their number one ruckman.
McStay is their number one key forward.
Ginnivan kicked 40 goals last year in his second season.
Lipinksi is an underrated midfielder around the league and definitely not underrated within Collingwood.
Cox is fairly important as that second ruck who can mark just about anything kicked on his head.
Sidebottom is out for two weeks and looks like a few more, too.

On paper, I would even say our injury hit squad looks better than theirs. But McRae has instilled this culture of no excuses and getting the job done...and it's paying off big time. Players like Murphy, Frampton, Noble and McCreery are all, to put it in the nicest possible way, no-names, but the way they play is fun to watch and it is to the full of their ability. It reminds me of our mid-2000's teams...some stars over the field but a good share of players that perform week after week and yet nobody would know who they are. The depth they have, even with the injuries, is handy, too.

This upcoming off-season might be the most important the club has had in the last 20 years. It could genuinely make or break the future with a few key players coming to the end of their careers and other clubs looking to improve. Horse and those around him have to get it right, but I don't think they will.
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How are Collingwood close? As you state Pies have lost 1 defender in Howe. Still had Moore and Maynard where as Sydney have lost 3 first choice key defenders for chunks of the season.

McStay didn’t play with the Pies last year so I’m not sure he walks in as their number 1 forward. Given his 2022 goal tally last year would have him 4th at the Pies.

Cameron was a genuine loss but only missed 6 weeks where as Hickey missed 10 games.

On paper Swans injury list has been longer (not West Coast proportions) than the Pies and more targeted to a certain type of player. Pies injuries have been spread evenly across the lines. Far easier to manage.
 
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WillHayward said:
Higher than that. New coaches have been going ok of late. More like a 50 50.

Kingsley is going well
B Scott going well.
Nicks going well.
McRae going well
(McQualter?)

Personally I'd have a chat with Leppa and McQualter
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Not one of them are proven. When it comes to being proven at continually producing Finals teams they don’t even move the needle. Longmire constantly has.
 
strauchanie59 said:
Collingwood would go pretty close...and they're sitting at 11-2. These players have missed chunks of football this year:

Howe is one of the best interceptors in the league.
Cameron is their number one ruckman.
McStay is their number one key forward.
Ginnivan kicked 40 goals last year in his second season.
Lipinksi is an underrated midfielder around the league and definitely not underrated within Collingwood.
Cox is fairly important as that second ruck who can mark just about anything kicked on his head.
Sidebottom is out for two weeks and looks like a few more, too.

On paper, I would even say our injury hit squad looks better than theirs. But McRae has instilled this culture of no excuses and getting the job done...and it's paying off big time. Players like Murphy, Frampton, Noble and McCreery are all, to put it in the nicest possible way, no-names, but the way they play is fun to watch and it is to the full of their ability. It reminds me of our mid-2000's teams...some stars over the field but a good share of players that perform week after week and yet nobody would know who they are. The depth they have, even with the injuries, is handy, too.

This upcoming off-season might be the most important the club has had in the last 20 years. It could genuinely make or break the future with a few key players coming to the end of their careers and other clubs looking to improve. Horse and those around him have to get it right, but I don't think they will.
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There's absolutely no way the injuries you listed are worse or even comparable to ours.
 
SGBeach said:
Hey Mods..
Can I start a thread titled 'Time some posters (were) retired?

We have a Longmire thread.. Why do we another thread about the Swans very successful coach which demands in a very passive aggressive way that he should be sacked. Its not the first time that Grumpy Old Horace has started a thread wanting to discuss Horse getting the boot.

Just another example of people with Zero inside information thinking they know better than the Swans footy club.

Terrible thread IMO.
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Horace has the right to share whatever views on Horse he has, just as you and anyone else have the right to respond to those views.

I agree with you that the thread was unnecessary, and since Horse was re-signed earlier this year, the topic of him being sacked just isn't relevant enough to warrant its own thread. Any such discussion can be had in here.
 
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Heeney2Franklin said:
Sometimes the only way we can win a clearance is with Papley in the center so i dont have a issue there.

Not experiments just inconsquential moves which had no bearing on the final result.

That goes to show how lowly we rated Gould that a midfielder was given the task on a dominant forward.

I suspect it was to try and exploit Hawkins lack of mobility with Mills on him.
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You don’t need mobility when you have the size and strength advantage Hawkins had over Mills. It was more a case of Mills playing on and beating bigger stronger opponents in the past. It was a case of them underestimating that Hawkins was getting back to something near full fitness and hitting his form. Shit happens. Was not going to be the game deciding difference especially with that midfield effort.
 
ashep said:
The sustained success we've enjoyed under Horse's tenure is the envy of most of the league.

Yes we've fallen short at the final hurdle a couple of times but let's say we snag it in 2016, are people really calling for him to be put out to pasture if just a single game goes differently? If the Pies pip us in the prelim and we avoid being destroyed by the Cats is there the same reaction?

He's completely changed the way we play over the past 3 years showing the game hasn't passed him by. I understand quibbling with a selection here and there but I simply don't buy that he's good enough for us to have the 2nd best record in the comp over the past decade but somehow is incapable of getting us up for the big day.

The job is his as long as he wants it IMO.
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The game plan changed because of Pyke who was brought in to freshen it up as Horse was not up with the modern game
 
SGBeach said:
Hey Mods..
Can I start a thread titled 'Time some posters (were) retired?

We have a Longmire thread.. Why do we another thread about the Swans very successful coach which demands in a very passive aggressive way that he should be sacked. Its not the first time that Grumpy Old Horace has started a thread wanting to discuss Horse getting the boot.

Just another example of people with Zero inside information thinking they know better than the Swans footy club.

Terrible thread IMO.
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And you know all , oh for cApiTalS
 
ashep said:
The sustained success we've enjoyed under Horse's tenure is the envy of most of the league.

Yes we've fallen short at the final hurdle a couple of times but let's say we snag it in 2016, are people really calling for him to be put out to pasture if just a single game goes differently? If the Pies pip us in the prelim and we avoid being destroyed by the Cats is there the same reaction?

He's completely changed the way we play over the past 3 years showing the game hasn't passed him by. I understand quibbling with a selection here and there but I simply don't buy that he's good enough for us to have the 2nd best record in the comp over the past decade but somehow is incapable of getting us up for the big day.

The job is his as long as he wants it IMO.
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Pyke changed the way we play.

To his credit Horse recognised his tactical deficiency and agreed to Pyke coming in.
 

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