Unsolved JonBenet Ramsey

[Kurve]

I might be a little naive here but can anyone point to cases where a “normal” mother or father from what seems like a loving and well off family, kills their own child?

I can't think of one but there have been a lot of cases where someone has broken in to a good family home and either abducted or killed a child in their bed, in far smaller houses than the Ramsey's with four floors.

Tommy Lynn Sells used to break in to houses all over the US and kill the children, sometimes the mother. In one case he killed the child and the mother went to jail for it.

He was so evil, an utterly depraved monster.

 

[Kurve]

I've been meaning to look up where Tommy Lynn Sells was when Darlie Routier's children were murdered because iirc he was active in Texas roughly around the same time.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

The parents didn’t do it they were just trying to cover it up

 

[Lady O]

I've not heard whether they ever considered the guy who killed Susannah Chase. He's my favourite suspect.

 

[Kurve]

This is an interesting segment.

I'd heard about another little girl who was attacked similarly to JonBenet in Boulder but what I didn't know is that JonBenet and Amy knew each other, that they went to the same dance school.

The attacker broke in to Amy's house while her family was out and waited. When the family got home they set the burglar alarm and went to bed.

It's become known as Amy's Case, so I'll have a look around see if there's any more information.

 

[Kurve]

Interview with Amy's dad.

A Colorado father claims Boulder cops may have missed an opportunity to catch JonBenet Ramsey’s killer — by ignoring an attack on his own young daughter which happened months after the infamous murder.

The dad claims a masked man dressed in black broke into his home on Sept. 14, 1997, snuck into his then-12-year-old’s daughter’s room, threatened and r*ped her.

The terrifying incident was foiled only because the girl’s mother heard voices, and came into the room to investigate, prompting the mysterious man to flee.

Young girl’s unsolved 1997 rape could be linked to JonBenet Ramsey murder, victim’s dad alleges

“There are so many similarities between the two cases that I think there’s a very good chance it was the same person,” the father said.

nypost.com

 

[Lady O]

Interview with Amy's dad.

A Colorado father claims Boulder cops may have missed an opportunity to catch JonBenet Ramsey’s killer — by ignoring an attack on his own young daughter which happened months after the infamous murder.

The dad claims a masked man dressed in black broke into his home on Sept. 14, 1997, snuck into his then-12-year-old’s daughter’s room, threatened and r*ped her.

The terrifying incident was foiled only because the girl’s mother heard voices, and came into the room to investigate, prompting the mysterious man to flee.

Young girl’s unsolved 1997 rape could be linked to JonBenet Ramsey murder, victim’s dad alleges

“There are so many similarities between the two cases that I think there’s a very good chance it was the same person,” the father said.

nypost.com

Plenty of information about this at the time. Police of course ignored it, as they wanted to nail the Ramseys.

 

[johnymac1]

There is a new Netflix series on the crime.

 

[Kurve]

There is a new Netflix series on the crime.

I wondered why the podcasters as well have been keen to revive this. The Consult and a couple of others, that's just what I've noticed without looking for it.

 

[Kurve]

There is a new Netflix series on the crime.

Have you watched it yet?

 

[Kurve]

Six days ago.

 

[johnymac1]

Have you watched it yet?

Started. Up to the third episode. Its very much Ramsey biased!
I don't really follow the case, but crime statistics would suggest is someone in the family or known to the family.

 

[johnymac1]

A few baffling points from the case.

Ransom letter written, but no kidnapping. The Body left near an entry/exit point in the house but not taken with the kidnapper. Police need to Analize if the victim was intended to be moved.

Police bungle, the crime scene wasn't searched properly and the parents not removed to prevent contamination.

The Ransom letter was two pages long and requesting an exact amount of money. Addressed to the father, were they really targeting or getting even with him? The length of the letter suggests a drawn-out timeline with the offender working through the complexities of the crime.

Horrific injuries to the victim. Indicating the offender was a sadistic psychopath. The injuries don't necessary indicate it was male or female offender.

The police eventually charging the parents for putting The Victim in danger. What were they supposed to protect her from or from who?

Unknown male DNA found on the victim's clothing. Codis doesn't have the offender on its data base. Maybe they should look at Interpol data bases?

 

[Kurve]

The pod from The Consult answers some of the more baffling questions imo.

The Consult: Real FBI Profilers

The Consult is a true crime podcast that examines behavior exhibited before, during, and after the commission of a criminal act. Consultants are real retired FBI pr…

www.truecrimeconsult.com

 

[OnTheRocks]

Six days ago.

Hopefully the police do take the outside help.
Very hard to imagine the constant daily stress the family have been enduring for so so long.
Police ignorance, arrogance & incompetence at it's destructive best

 

[johnymac1]

Hopefully the police do take the outside help.
Very hard to imagine the constant daily stress the family have been enduring for so so long.
Police ignorance, arrogance & incompetence at it's destructive best

Remember the FBI had input as well, and they are supposed to specialise in Kidnapping and Sex crimes.

 

[Kurve]

All the renewed attention around this may coincide with the latest Netflix release but sometimes, we can see all this media action around a high profile cold case, is followed by an arrest.

Hope's up.

 

[faible]

All the renewed attention around this may coincide with the latest Netflix release but sometimes, we can see all this media action around a high profile cold case, is followed by an arrest.

Hope's up.

Watched the show, was a bit disjointed and hard to follow at times. But there seems to be a few items there were never tested for DNA, and the original items have questionable DNA profiles.

Testing / re-testing those might result in something pretty quickly if they can compare it to past suspects and the genealogy databases.

 

[Kurve]

Watched the show, was a bit disjointed and hard to follow at times. But there seems to be a few items there were never tested for DNA, and the original items have questionable DNA profiles.

Testing / re-testing those might result in something pretty quickly if they can compare it to past suspects and the genealogy databases.

It's hard to comprehend why all the items haven't been tested.

 

[GreyCrow]

I didnt watch the show nor do I think I will

My one ongoing brick wall is the ransom note. It doesnt add up to random SO who ''stumbled '' onto the family.

I cant see someone doing what eventuated - her death - with the planning of the ransom note

If the offender felt they had to kill JonBenet because she let out a scream then why wasnt a scream reported? Why was the ransom note still left behind?

And the ransom note was too specific . It was either planted by the family or it was a business associate trying to scare the father into doing something or hiding something

But again by killing JonBenet all bets would be off ( well for me anyway)

Explain the ransom note and I will reconsider

 

[Kurve]

I didnt watch the show nor do I think I will

My one ongoing brick wall is the ransom note. It doesnt add up to random SO who ''stumbled '' onto the family.

I cant see someone doing what eventuated - her death - with the planning of the ransom note

If the offender felt they had to kill JonBenet because she let out a scream then why wasnt a scream reported? Why was the ransom note still left behind?

And the ransom note was too specific . It was either planted by the family or it was a business associate trying to scare the father into doing something or hiding something

But again by killing JonBenet all bets would be off ( well for me anyway)

Explain the ransom note and I will reconsider

The Consult pod part 2 goes in to that.

Elements of sadism was detected by the profilers in the ransom note as stand alone. The FBI considers the ransom note an extension of the offenders fantasy, that also involved sadistic behaviour towards John and Patsy.

Of course he's a really cruel and dangerous offender but that goes a bit beyond. If he's still alive, he'd probably be getting a lot of enjoyment over how much pain he's putting them through and how clever he was.

 

[Cataholic]

I didnt watch the show nor do I think I will

My one ongoing brick wall is the ransom note. It doesnt add up to random SO who ''stumbled '' onto the family.

I cant see someone doing what eventuated - her death - with the planning of the ransom note

If the offender felt they had to kill JonBenet because she let out a scream then why wasnt a scream reported? Why was the ransom note still left behind?

And the ransom note was too specific . It was either planted by the family or it was a business associate trying to scare the father into doing something or hiding something

But again by killing JonBenet all bets would be off ( well for me anyway)

Explain the ransom note and I will reconsider

I watched it, whilst trying to be as neutral as I could be.......but with regards to the ransom note, I found it strange, as pointed out, that:

A) the ransom amount was $118k, which is oddly specific

B) that amount corresponds exactly to a work bonus paid to JR (bar $753), and

C) it was discovered on the stairs and alleged a kidnapping, yet JB's body lay not far away......

 

[Awakening]

Mr Cruel

 

[mighty_lions]

I didnt watch the show nor do I think I will

My one ongoing brick wall is the ransom note. It doesnt add up to random SO who ''stumbled '' onto the family.

I cant see someone doing what eventuated - her death - with the planning of the ransom note

If the offender felt they had to kill JonBenet because she let out a scream then why wasnt a scream reported? Why was the ransom note still left behind?

And the ransom note was too specific . It was either planted by the family or it was a business associate trying to scare the father into doing something or hiding something

But again by killing JonBenet all bets would be off ( well for me anyway)

Explain the ransom note and I will reconsider

I agree with what your saying about the ransom note but the way she was assaulted I don't believe it was the parents

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Until something compelling emerges, I won't stop thinking her brother accidentally killed her, and the parents staged a crime scene in order to avoid essentially losing both children.

The parents actions make no sense.

Upon learning Jon Benet had been "abducted", the mother took the son up to the 2nd story and then put him in a room and told him to lock the door while she and the father looked for the abductor.

What parents are going to leave their child alone with a potential child abductor on the loose who they they believe may still be in the house, after having done god knows what to their other child.

It's like the cliched trope from a horror movie, where two of the group have already been killed, and then the rest go off to "search", leaving behind the one tired person so they can "rest".