Josh Hunt

[Cattery]

I don't think you truly believe this. Harley was more valuable when he could handle key position forwards..

Wouldn't have said it if I didn't believe it, fact is he doesn't need to take the KKP's now with the emergence of Egan, and the job he did on the best and most dangerous small/medium forwards last year was outstanding.

I'm sure a few doggies supporters probably found the way B. Johnson tore Harley apart in round 1 2007 laughable.

You may want to read what I said in my first post, that he was great from his "second game back after injury."
Trotting out that one game and ignoring what he achieved in the others isn't going to support your argument I'm afraid, and if you don't think the statement that he "gets his ass torn apart by good small forwards" is so far off the mark as to be a joke then I guess we were watching a different player last year, because the one I was watching did exactly the opposite and tore the arse off them.

I'm not AT ALL saying Harley is useless or shouldn't be in the team but the way some of you blow sunshine up his a$$ is rather amusing..

I realise you're not saying that, but a "useful spare parts defender" who "provides support to contests" is hardly a glowing recommendation after the season he just had.

You're correct about him providing support to contests, does that as well as anybody, but on top of that he also shuts down his opponent.

Don't know about people blowing sunshine up him, think we're just calling it as we saw it; you said earlier he was no longer an excellent player, well all I can say in reply is that he had an excellent year.

 

[catempire]

Take a bow Cattery. Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[CatFan79]

He's also completely smashed every small/medium forward he played on in 07

This is not correct, this what I was pulling you up on.. Harley got his ass handed to him by Johnson in round 1.. Don't post bullsh!t if you don't like the reaction..

You may want to read what I said in my first post, that he was great from his "second game back after injury."

Harley wasnt coming back from injury in round 1. In fact, he got injured towards the end of this game, went straight off the ground and came back in round 10.

You shouldn't get your back up when you are corrected, take it as a learning experience.

 

[DanA]

This is not correct, this what I was pulling you up on.. Harley got his ass handed to him by Johnson in round 1.. Don't post bullsh!t if you don't like the reaction..



Harley wasnt coming back from injury in round 1. In fact, he got injured towards the end of this game, went straight off the ground and came back in round 10.

You shouldn't get your back up when you are corrected, take it as a learning experience.

You need to brush up on your reading a comprehension. He said "second game back after injury."

He referenced a point "Harleys comeback" and said his 2nd game back from that said injury. That would mean from round 11. I don't think it could be much clearer.

 

[Cattery]

You shouldn't get your back up when you are corrected, take it as a learning experience.

Don't get my back up mate, if I say something wrong and get corrected on it no problems at all, but in this case you're either missing, or ignoring, the fact that I said from "his second game back after injury" [ round 11 ] which makes the reference to round one kinda pointless wouldn't you agree?

Instead of continually bringing that game up, which I agree was a shocker, how about addressing what he did for the remainder of the season.

 

[Cattery]

You need to brush up on your reading a comprehension. He said "second game back after injury."

He referenced a point "Harleys comeback" and said his 2nd game back from that said injury. That would mean from round 11. I don't think it could be much clearer.

Thanks mate, was starting to get worried, beginning to think I was talking Swahili or something.

 

[Adelaide Hoops]

I need to make some comment about this thread.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

 

[CatFan79]

Don't get my back up mate, if I say something wrong and get corrected on it no problems at all, but in this case you're either missing, or ignoring, the fact that I said from "his second game back after injury" [ round 11 ] which makes the reference to round one kinda pointless wouldn't you agree?

Instead of continually bringing that game up, which I agree was a shocker, how about addressing what he did for the remainder of the season.

Yeah nice back-pedal...

You Wrote this:

He's also completely smashed every small/medium forward he played on in 07

You wrote this in a separate paragraph to your comment about his injury so just cop it sweet.. You are WRONG!! How clear do I have to be!!

 

[Cattery]

Yeah nice back-pedal...

You Wrote this:



You wrote this in a separate paragraph to your comment about his injury so just cop it sweet.. You are WRONG!! How clear do I have to be!!

Good grief mate you're like a dog with a bone, does the word pedantic mean anything to you?

Look, being the nice bloke that I am I'll concede your point if it'll make you happy, otherwise I can see this "important" detail dragging on for eternity, so there you go, you've got me on a technicality, can't be any fairer then that now can I?

Now that we've got that out of the way [ hopefully ] would you like to revisit your comment that Harley was merely a "useful" spare parts defender last year, or is that to mundane for you?

 

[Cattery]

I need to make some comment about this thread.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

Excellent post Adelaide Hoops, every point you've made is spot on, hope to see plenty more from you on here.

 

[darren forssman]

Excellent post Adelaide Hoops, every point you've made is spot on, hope to see plenty more from you on here.

good quote of a half a page...i look forward to scrolling down pages in the future.

 

[catempire]

I need to make some comment about this thread.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

I also rate the quality of your post.

(and think Forssman will appreciate another look at it )

 

[Hood007]

I need to make some comment about this thread.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

Scrolling is fun.
Yes, a good post indeed.
Seriously, it is...

 

[darren forssman]

I need to make some comment about this thread.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

good post...quality!!

 

[darren forssman]

I need to make some comment about this thread.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

did i mention what a great post??

 

[TheTimeCometh]

I need to make some comment about this thread.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

*Tommy is THE backline general . Watch how he directs traffic , encourages team mates , covers for them when they take off downfield and does the little things. Just ask any of Scarlett , Egan , Milburn and Mackie how important they think he is to the structure and you will be left in no doubt about the skippers value down there.

*Egan has said publicly on many occasions that he has Tommy more than any other person to thank for his development as a player. Egan has gone from a VFL player to AA defender in 3 seasons . He lived in the skippers house all that time and got to hear first hand exactly what playing KPP was all about and how to prepare for it. Before that it was Rookey who lived with Tom --when he went from a rookie to one of our most determined disciplined and important players. No coincidence surely.

*someone has posted the AFL stats about intercepts from opposition kicks.No 2 in the comp...in about 13 games not 22. What this means is that the mark constitutes a turnover . A quick handball and we are away into an area where the opposition is out of position. How many times did we see Harley mark , quick handball to a Mackie , Milburn Woj etc etc through the corrider and shot on goal. I suggest ...plenty

*he completely blanketed the small forwards referred to because he showed them respect , played them close and gave them no where to go . When he runs into them , it hurts. Tom is a big man. And when the ball is in the air , it is a " no contest ". All his opponent can do is sit back and watch . The old line that a good tall will always beat a good small is pretty true here.We are probably the only team in the comp which has the luxury of being able to assign a highly disciplined 95 kg 193 cm running machine on someone other than a KPP.

*the power forwards like Reiwoldt etc etc are very good players.They have towelled up some very good opponents , including our own.But I can remember Tommy giiving Reiwoldt stick on more than one occasion . People tend to forget the good performances and focus on bad. The same people have given Scarlo and Egan a touch up on occasions too.

*I suspect the Match Committee will continue to use Tom on the smaller forwards ...but if the need presents it is comforting to know that he can always be swung onto a taller opponent. A couple of years ago he did those jobs pretty well and when he was carrrying injuries. Right now he is in pretty good nick and could revert (if needs be ) to that role.

can i get the readersdigest version?

ta.


ps. yer had me at "match commitee"

 

[Stripey PJs]

* Harley busted his finger in his first contest in Rd 1 -- lost the ball in the sun about 5 mins in and it landed on the top. Ruptured tendons going both ways . Most players would have gone off . Instead , in his first game as captain , he put his hand up to continue to play on Johnson who was white hot and probably would have carved up any of our defenders.

And on return from an injury-interrupted pre-season.
"Carved up any of our defenders" is right -Harley conceded 5 Johnson goals in 85 minutes, Scarlo 3 in 35. Who's the bigger turkey?

Round 11 v Adelaide - did he actually not play on mcgregor or was moved to him and mcgregor kicked 2-3 goals?

Yup, Daz, after Riccuito was pulled from the forward line. And Blake clumsily conceded a D50 free to gift the K-Mac one of those goals.

Adding to Partridge's list, in round 12 he murdered Ash McGrath who was Brisbane's second best forward (and not by such a massive margin at that stage of the season, Brown was yet to roar).

And padding out the Sydney description: while Tommy made a couple of early blunders with his disposal (one of his weaknesses throughout his career) before settling, defensively he was solid throughout the entire match, suppressing Vogels/Davis in turn and tagging Jude Bolton in the third quarter. What game better demonstrates the versatility of the man?
(and IIRC, the goals by Vogels' and Davis' were the result of teammate errors -one a Buster Keaton moment from Dasher).

 

[Cats Flag 07]

I concur with Adelaide Hoops.

Martyk et al should quietly go away...no idea what they're talking about (as rock solid rebuttal of outrageous criticism suggests).

Tom is as healthy as he has been since 2004, so look out for steady improvement from last year.

I couldn't think of anyone i'd rather have to curtail the flashy, small forward. Stitches them up pretty much everytime...