Seems to struggle with carrot or stick approaches in their entirety IMO. Will get better at it, assuming he is given enough to do so.
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Rumour Justin Leppitsch and The Players
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notting18
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HowYouDoin vs Swann, Matthews and Rockliff. Hmmm... it is close but I think I'll support the decision making ability of the last three for the moment.
A change with a few supporters wouldn't go astray either.
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I love Leppa but I just can't see him staying after 2016...
2 games against West Coke and Norf makes it tough, yes we can win these games (Unlikely), as I said before I believe Leppa's career will be dependent on the first half of the season. If we can get a respectable 5-5 start to the season sure he might survive for another year but if we go 2-8 - He is gone.
2 games against West Coke and Norf makes it tough, yes we can win these games (Unlikely), as I said before I believe Leppa's career will be dependent on the first half of the season. If we can get a respectable 5-5 start to the season sure he might survive for another year but if we go 2-8 - He is gone.
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If you're fine following a coach who has half of the playing list against him, and can only manage to get us a few wins in a year, than so be it. However, i actually have standards and i would like to see this club playing in the finals in the next 5 years. And we won't be doing that under leppa.
By the way, i actually respect leppa (especially as a football player) and i don't wish for any coach to be booted. However, something is obviously wrong and it seems like the problems are coming from him.
Can you name half the players that are against Leppa?
We are rebuilding. We have one of the youngest lists in the comp and we had 4 times the amount of games missed last year than the AFL average. When we get all our players on the park and we have some continuity, I will then judge Leppa as a coach. Doubt any coach in the game would have done much better than Leppa last year with our playing list. We looked pretty good at the end of the year when we had Freeman and McGuane in the team. Players weren't looking around lost outside 50 for a target that wasn't there, we moved the ball quickly with confidence knowing we had players to kick to. We will improve very quickly next year with a fit list.
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Redden leaving was the biggest red flag for mine - he was a Lion for life before Leppa became coach. It'd need to be a comeback of Lazarus proportions for him to get this group back on his wavelength. And to keep his job past 2016.
If Rich, Mayes, Green and Zorko remain unsigned for 2017 and these rumours persist halfway through next season (and we're not performing on the field) - well, we can't afford to lose another 4 very good players
And the coach is the one who nearly always cops it in the neck
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Players are sooks these days. We can't go sacking coaches when a few players aren't his biggest fans. Maybe the players need to take a good long hard look at themselves.
notting18
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I think it is telling that we have two truly A grade players on our list (Beams and Rockliff) and only one of those players we developed.
Redden, Rich, Zorko, Hanley and many before them have never taken that step up to the next level. I have little doubt that Leppa has gotten the select players offside in an attempt to break the paradigm that being the best player at the club is 'good enough'. Our standards need to be much much higher even for the 'much loved home grown players'.
Redden, Rich, Zorko, Hanley and many before them have never taken that step up to the next level. I have little doubt that Leppa has gotten the select players offside in an attempt to break the paradigm that being the best player at the club is 'good enough'. Our standards need to be much much higher even for the 'much loved home grown players'.
The ones that appear to be against Leppa are coincidentally the ones he doesn't rate as highly as they think they should be rated.
Yep......Leppa may not appeal to everyone, but as the coach, that is going to happen. The players need to accept that he is the coach, and go out and prove they can be mature and play as a team.
Wonder how they would've gotten along with Barrassi or Pagan?
Tipping they would rather have Leppa!
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If he wants to be the rough and tough type coach, it'd help if Leppa had some coaching runs on the board - ie. Matthews, Lyon, Thompson, Clarkson etc.
But, Thompson was nearly sacked halfway through 2006 from memory, so if Leppa has it in him - he can retrieve this situation
notting18
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Cause every single one of those coaches was a soft flowery coach until they had 'runs on the board'...
As Lethal has said, sometimes you need to actually turn the wheel in order to implement change. I think we can all agree that change is most certainly a requirement given the lack of success this football club has had for the better part of 10 years.
I am also resigned to losing Rich (unless he bursts onto the scene with a career best year), but I am not holding my breath to wait for that time. He, like Redden were the beneficiaries of our lack of genuine star power and our requirement to reach the minimum spend limit on the salary cap. I strongly believe they were paid massive overs (as a show of faith based on their potential) and will probably feel somewhat dissatisfied when they are offered a contract that is more accurately reflective of their true worth in the present day.
Both showed legitimate potential to one day become the elite of the competition, but sadly for us, it appears only Rocky has been able to take that step, with Redden and Rich seemingly happy to play a month less worth of football and be paid as much (if not more) as the competition's best. It's time to break this cycle, and I would imagine a few individuals who have become comfortable with being the 'big fish in a small pond' will have a harsh reality check.
Conflict in the workplace (especially in a footballing landscape) is vital, and quite probably the most important factor within the industry. We cannot continue down the same path, with the same ideas and strategies - that has so far proven to have taken us absolutely no where. What we need are committed individuals who are willing to challenge each other in a controlled environment and implement these decision in a fair way that ultimately motivates the players and leads to them being satisfied and happy within our environment. Allowing players to set KPIs is one strategy of creating commitment to the cause and empowering the players in the goal-setting process. It also limits any unrest when players don't meet targets that are actually imposed by themselves, and gives them some level of accountability and control over their performance.
I'm somewhat happy to hear that there is some level of unrest, and I hope the board don't have a knee-jerk reaction and stick by their man throughout this time.
I am also resigned to losing Rich (unless he bursts onto the scene with a career best year), but I am not holding my breath to wait for that time. He, like Redden were the beneficiaries of our lack of genuine star power and our requirement to reach the minimum spend limit on the salary cap. I strongly believe they were paid massive overs (as a show of faith based on their potential) and will probably feel somewhat dissatisfied when they are offered a contract that is more accurately reflective of their true worth in the present day.
Both showed legitimate potential to one day become the elite of the competition, but sadly for us, it appears only Rocky has been able to take that step, with Redden and Rich seemingly happy to play a month less worth of football and be paid as much (if not more) as the competition's best. It's time to break this cycle, and I would imagine a few individuals who have become comfortable with being the 'big fish in a small pond' will have a harsh reality check.
Conflict in the workplace (especially in a footballing landscape) is vital, and quite probably the most important factor within the industry. We cannot continue down the same path, with the same ideas and strategies - that has so far proven to have taken us absolutely no where. What we need are committed individuals who are willing to challenge each other in a controlled environment and implement these decision in a fair way that ultimately motivates the players and leads to them being satisfied and happy within our environment. Allowing players to set KPIs is one strategy of creating commitment to the cause and empowering the players in the goal-setting process. It also limits any unrest when players don't meet targets that are actually imposed by themselves, and gives them some level of accountability and control over their performance.
I'm somewhat happy to hear that there is some level of unrest, and I hope the board don't have a knee-jerk reaction and stick by their man throughout this time.
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What a wonderful piece of joy this thread is. Comparing Leppa to Mark Farking Neeld?!?! Seriously? *ragequit* *slamsdoor*
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Nah it was the guy who told Woewodin to **** off who was delisted I think.
FWIW, just because it's likely that we play these teams in Rd1 & 2 is no guarantee that we play them twice.
I think we'll get North twice, but not the Eagles.
Unless you've heard something else?..
My 2c.
Just like big sauce said on the radio the first time this came around, we are on the bottom and have been for years, you would be seriously worried if there was no conflict going on.
There seemed to be so many times this season where a team would kick 2-3 goals on us and we would just stop running, stop believing, and get belted. Mentally, not tough. I believe, as has been said, that Leppa, Rockliff and Leigh are trying to change the culture of the club from the ground up, it is needed, and if there are people who want to leave, then let them.
But to me, implying that the reason half the team don't like him is because he has poor people management skills is silly. I have never met the man but every time he has been interviewed or been on TV in the past 15 years he has shown a great sense of humour. He comes highly rated from Richmond, and has the ethos of being an absolute club legend and a redhead to top it off. With Leigh over-seeing. I would follow them blindly into war! With that in mind I have 100% confidence in the bloke.
When he was a player, geez he had a temper though!
When Voss was coaching us there were numerous reports that he was unpopular as well. I may be remembering wrong but the go home 5 was partly blamed on him. But I believe that Vossy was just starting to fix the culture and we were turning the corner when he was sacked at the worst possible time. Both of the, Leppa and Vossy, clearly took parts of Leigh's coaching style. Leppa told a story in a press conference not long ago about how after training, Vossy (when captain), would say to the boys, effort not good enough tonight, and make everyone run laps!
That's the standards we need, and as I said, fully believe that Leppa and Leigh know what is required to be a top team and are trying to fix us from the bottom up.
OBrien being delisted today is an example of that.
Now if it came out that Rockliff and/or Hanley had an issue with Leppa, that would be a bit of a worry!
Just like big sauce said on the radio the first time this came around, we are on the bottom and have been for years, you would be seriously worried if there was no conflict going on.
There seemed to be so many times this season where a team would kick 2-3 goals on us and we would just stop running, stop believing, and get belted. Mentally, not tough. I believe, as has been said, that Leppa, Rockliff and Leigh are trying to change the culture of the club from the ground up, it is needed, and if there are people who want to leave, then let them.
But to me, implying that the reason half the team don't like him is because he has poor people management skills is silly. I have never met the man but every time he has been interviewed or been on TV in the past 15 years he has shown a great sense of humour. He comes highly rated from Richmond, and has the ethos of being an absolute club legend and a redhead to top it off. With Leigh over-seeing. I would follow them blindly into war! With that in mind I have 100% confidence in the bloke.
When he was a player, geez he had a temper though!
When Voss was coaching us there were numerous reports that he was unpopular as well. I may be remembering wrong but the go home 5 was partly blamed on him. But I believe that Vossy was just starting to fix the culture and we were turning the corner when he was sacked at the worst possible time. Both of the, Leppa and Vossy, clearly took parts of Leigh's coaching style. Leppa told a story in a press conference not long ago about how after training, Vossy (when captain), would say to the boys, effort not good enough tonight, and make everyone run laps!
That's the standards we need, and as I said, fully believe that Leppa and Leigh know what is required to be a top team and are trying to fix us from the bottom up.
OBrien being delisted today is an example of that.
Now if it came out that Rockliff and/or Hanley had an issue with Leppa, that would be a bit of a worry!
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Will hardly be Leppa's fault if we get beaten in those first 2 rounds......afterall, one is a grand finalist, the other nearly got there.
The players just have to come out firing, and bust their gut for 4 quarters. Go down fighting......or surprise us all and win.
The players just have to come out firing, and bust their gut for 4 quarters. Go down fighting......or surprise us all and win.
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Interesting that year that Vossy got sacked, we finished 12th on the ladder and we just missed out on the chance to play finals by a couple of games. To be fair to Vossy he didn't have the support and we didn't have the off-field leadership that Black, Matthews, Swann and Brown are currently providing at our club now. Totally agree with you.
Fairly ambivalent towards Leppa. I think that this year he needs to cut out the experimental nature of the game plan. For example Mayes has massively struggled so far in his career due to being thrown all over the park. Imo he should be playing off a HFF while pinch hitting on a wing.
It is great to have swing men and versitility but not at the detriment of confidence and ability.
Every player next season needs to play in their natural position that will give us the greatest chance of winning week in week out.
It is great to have swing men and versitility but not at the detriment of confidence and ability.
Every player next season needs to play in their natural position that will give us the greatest chance of winning week in week out.
