Coach Justin Longmuir

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dont bowl there said:
No, it clearly couldn't have worked well as the board didn't want him working at the club anymore.
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I think the evidence from the pressers was that Lyon was sacked mainly due to noise and the club wanting clean air.
Moving Lyon out of the Senior Coaching position and in to another role wouldn't have given that clean air.
The clean air explanation also explains Rosich being moved out at the same time.
It's like a rebranding marketing excerise, something an experienced WA business man like Dale Alcock would strongly promote and endorse.
 
PurpleEyes said:
I think the evidence from the pressers was that Lyon was sacked mainly due to noise and the club wanting clean air.
Moving Lyon out of the Senior Coaching position and in to another role wouldn't have given that clean air.
The clean air explanation also explains Rosich being moved out at the same time.
It's like a rebranding marketing excerise, something an experienced WA business man like Dale Alcock would strongly promote and endorse.
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Right, they didn’t want him working there anymore. He was never going to be moved into a different role. They wanted him out.
 

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PurpleEyes said:
Given Lyon had become unpopular and was subsequently sacked, why would a candidate who is even more unpopular, like Peter Sumich even be considered?
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Because Sumich is friends with the ex-Eagles and anti-Freo mafia in the WA media, and the permanently offended who get their information from the media will be getting a much less negative view of the club. Can you imagine a world where the Hardies and Hagdorns of this world were not bashing Fremantle at every opportunity?

Whether the decision to get rid of Lyon was right or wrong will not be known for some time, but the reasons given for that decision were weak and pandering. If the board think loyal Fremantle supporters were disenfranchised by Lyon, they will be horrified by the response if Sumich gets the gig.
 
Cesoir said:
If the board think loyal Fremantle supporters were disenfranchised by Lyon, they will be horrified by the response if Sumich gets the gig.
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Do the board think that though? I've heard that memberships looked to be down and corporate sales were slow but isn't that more down to the performance on field? Coach has a lot to do with that obviously but are memberships and corporate sales going to drastically increase simply based on change of coach? I'm skeptical about that.

Whilst i hate Hagdorn he's on such i tirade regarding Sumich that i fear he's being fed something from inside the club. I may just be paranoid but i fear the worst and hope for the best.
 
Cesoir said:
Because Sumich is friends with the ex-Eagles and anti-Freo mafia in the WA media, and the permanently offended who get their information from the media will be getting a much less negative view of the club. Can you imagine a world where the Hardies and Hagdorns of this world were not bashing Fremantle at every opportunity?

Whether the decision to get rid of Lyon was right or wrong will not be known for some time, but the reasons given for that decision were weak and pandering. If the board think loyal Fremantle supporters were disenfranchised by Lyon, they will be horrified by the response if Sumich gets the gig.
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Very good post.
 
Okinakashi said:
Why does it matter what the HM's think?
Just becasue they had $1k spare in 1994 - how does that make them footballing authorities?

If the HM's have any influence on this decision, I'm just about done with this club.
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Exactly, what the HM's think is like anyone, an opinion.

I can categorically assure you the Harbour Masters don't have any more authority than any other member, and anyone suggesting they would have the ability to remove (and choose replacement) coaches is incredibly uninformed, a liar or an idiot (Perhaps all 3?)

I must admit to being amused, and generally intrigued where such nonsense would come from, but hey, Illuminati confirmed and all that.
 
freofc1994 said:
Do the board think that though? I've heard that memberships looked to be down and corporate sales were slow but isn't that more down to the performance on field? Coach has a lot to do with that obviously but are memberships and corporate sales going to drastically increase simply based on change of coach? I'm skeptical about that.

Whilst i hate Hagdorn he's on such i tirade regarding Sumich that i fear he's being fed something from inside the club. I may just be paranoid but i fear the worst and hope for the best.
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This is the thing isn't it - the membership being down and corporate sales being slow are definitely due to performance (on and off-field) but the narrative in the local media (which bemuses many east coast commentators) is that this is all down to Lyon. Obviously this is not the case - there is list management, S&C and various other factors in play - but the noise is so loud and so consistent that I hear it being parroted by Freo supporters all the time. The whole losing fans because of our "ugly game plan" gets me - memberships were on the increase through 2012 - 2015 with Lyon's ugly game plan because it worked and we were a club to be admired and feared on field. I for one was happy to play tough, unrelenting football when it meant we made finals four years in a row and won seven derbies on the trot. The last four years have been incredibly difficult as a Freo supporter, but I think this year showed if we could get anywhere near our best team on the field we were becoming a force to be reckoned with again.

When we were about to embark on a rebuild, Lyon was given a 5 year extension because of the inevitable pressure that would come with diminished performance and lack of success - the club bought into it with a solid extension and Lyon bought into it heart and soul. Unfortunately the club blinked and didn't allow the thing to run its full course.

Lyon copped the majority of the vitriol over the club's decision to head-hunt him in the first place, and he has accepted the decision to axe him with grace and dignity. I hope for all our sakes that we move forward with a new coach who is as invested in our club as Lyon was, please God not an ex-Eagles legend.
 
Cesoir said:
Because Sumich is friends with the ex-Eagles and anti-Freo mafia in the WA media, and the permanently offended who get their information from the media will be getting a much less negative view of the club. Can you imagine a world where the Hardies and Hagdorns of this world were not bashing Fremantle at every opportunity?

Whether the decision to get rid of Lyon was right or wrong will not be known for some time, but the reasons given for that decision were weak and pandering. If the board think loyal Fremantle supporters were disenfranchised by Lyon, they will be horrified by the response if Sumich gets the gig.
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Will they though? It's a genuine question.

We're a relatively engaged and have a bit more knowledge floating around (not always grasped, but you know ...). I suspsect the majority of fans out there, who might be invested, don't do anything to inform themselves but listen to jibber jabber on the radio or read the odd news item on AFL.com or, God forbid, get their info via Facebook, they might not be too fussed with Summa, might even like the idea.
 

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PapaJ said:
Will they though? It's a genuine question.

We're a relatively engaged and have a bit more knowledge floating around (not always grasped, but you know ...). I suspsect the majority of fans out there, who might be invested, don't do anything to inform themselves but listen to jibber jabber on the radio or read the odd news item on AFL.com or, God forbid, get their info via Facebook, they might not be too fussed with Summa, might even like the idea.
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Obviously I can only speak for myself and those I know personally, but to a person they all hate the idea. I know this sounds petty and petulant, but if that is their call I will definitely not be renewing my membership - that is the only way I can protest the decision.

I did not like the way Lyon was sacked, but I am prepared to wait and see what happens, but not if that involves watching a former Eagles player who showed in his time at Fremantle that he was not invested in our club. Anyone who went to training or watched him at Peel will tell you that he was much more interested in his phone and chatting to his mates than he was in what we were doing.
 
I think it would be difficult to disagree that after reading 33 pages of this thread, and all the others, that if Sumich is appointed head coach, the FFC board is going to get a rude shock removing one polarising head coach to 'clear the air', with an even more polarising head coach and their problems will only just begin. I can't imagine Fyfe and Walters would be too enamoured, given their current public (but professionally held) disappointment, at having RBB removed from leading them to be replaced by Sumich who they witnessed being shown the door (and for reasons they would actually know) only 3 years ago.
 
PapaJ said:
Will they though? It's a genuine question.

We're a relatively engaged and have a bit more knowledge floating around (not always grasped, but you know ...). I suspsect the majority of fans out there, who might be invested, don't do anything to inform themselves but listen to jibber jabber on the radio or read the odd news item on AFL.com or, God forbid, get their info via Facebook, they might not be too fussed with Summa, might even like the idea.
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Plenty of them exactly as you describe. Listen to 6PR, read the West and watch Fox Footy. They then parrot what has been fed to them. Ross Lyon plays defensive footy a classic example. This season, we have tried to play on, through the corridor, often to our detriment (due to skill errors). This season we have been dictated to by the opposition on a number of occasions, resulting in a defensive game. Make that criticism, but the media wont bring that up, it's just RL plays defensive footy (or doesn't value skills, or plays favourites, can't develop youth)

Murdoch has been doing the same at a political level for decades - feed the masses what suits your agenda.
 
I support the sacking of Ross for footy reasons. I had lost faith in his style two or three years ago. It is not so much a defensive style of footy, it is always making it a contested style, we create contests were we could avoid them. I think many of the injury problems we have are not bad luck but the inevitable result of playing such a tough unrelenting physical style of game, always putting the ball on the ground and contesting after it. Yes, this is a great defensive tactic, but we use to attack too. The players think the world of Ross and would walk over hot coals for him, but we shouldn't be writing off blistered feet to bad luck or blaming the club medical staff.

I am happy the board want a change of direction. I support that.

I am not happy that the WA media are jumping all over this like they are players in the selection process. My instinctive distrust of The Worst, Ch 7 and 6 pee-arrrghh! won't let me agree with anything they say. If they are promoting Suma for the job then I want anyone else but Suma.
 
Admiral Byng said:
I support the sacking of Ross for footy reasons. I had lost faith in his style two or three years ago. It is not so much a defensive style of footy, it is always making it a contested style, we create contests were we could avoid them. I think many of the injury problems we have are not bad luck but the inevitable result of playing such a tough unrelenting physical style of game, always putting the ball on the ground and contesting after it. Yes, this is a great defensive tactic, but we use to attack too. The players think the world of Ross and would walk over hot coals for him, but we shouldn't be writing off blistered feet to bad luck or blaming the club medical staff.

I am happy the board want a change of direction. I support that.

I am not happy that the WA media are jumping all over this like they are players in the selection process. My instinctive distrust of The Worst, Ch 7 and 6 pee-arrrghh! won't let me agree with anything they say. If they are promoting Suma for the job then I want anyone else but Suma.
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The West has pro Suma, pro Longmuir and pro Brad Scott stories and has explained why Caracella is not an option. They also assume Ratten will be picked up by the Saints so they didn't include him. The Eastern states papers have an anti Suma line because he was disliked by Ross. It's quite mixed.
 
aussieviking said:
If Hinkley is available I think he would be worth chasing
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The last time Port won a final was in 2014. They’ve been completely mediocre ever since with some seriously crap results along the way. I’d be tempted for us to bring back Harvey over Hinkley
 
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